Beyond Master Mage

• Poshwosh wrote on 2015-09-19 05:44
  I reached a point where I'm comfortable with my skillset as a mage, I like it! But I am now struggling to get stronger.
  
  To be more specific, I'm annoyed how my fireball is just 5%-10% off one-shotting in sulfur spiders and peaca! Haha.
  
  The remaining magic skills I have yet to rank don't look useful enough (Ice Spear and Hail Storm), don't benefit me overall due to stat gains (Thunder, gives no INT), or are just very inefficient AP wise (Elemental masteries).
  
  Skills that I haven't ranked/capped yet are: Snapcast F, Meteor F, Ice Mastery A, Fire Mastery 5, Lightning Mastery 5, Ice Spear F, Thunder F, Hail Storm F, Mana Shield F and Fusion Bolt F.
  Magic shields to master cleric are also an option, but it's also very inefficient.
  
  On my consideration list are Meteor and Fire Mastery, but err, this is about 600 AP, fire mastery would barely make a difference, and meteor would only shine when I master...
  
  Is this that phase where everyone focuses on making money and buying reforges? Say it ain't so!
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-09-19 07:34

  Quote from Poshwosh;1286875:

  The remaining magic skills I have yet to rank don't look useful enough (Ice Spear and Hail Storm), don't benefit me overall due to stat gains (Thunder, gives no INT), or are just very inefficient AP wise (Elemental masteries).
  
  Skills that I haven't ranked/capped yet are: Snapcast F, Meteor F, Ice Mastery A, Fire Mastery 5, Lightning Mastery 5, Ice Spear F, Thunder F, Hail Storm F, Mana Shield F and Fusion Bolt F.
  Magic shields to master cleric are also an option, but it's also very inefficient.
  
  On my consideration list are Meteor and Fire Mastery, but err, this is about 600 AP, fire mastery would barely make a difference, and meteor would only shine when I master...

  
  
  http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Stats_and_Skills#Intelligence
  
  Meteor and Elemental Masteries have the highest Int:AP ratio out of your low ranked magic skills. Or you could go into Bard and rank 1 Musical Knowledge and Composing due to their massive Intelligence influx, or any other talent. Never forget Aeira's books, or Lassar's classes, for their minor but permanent, cheap Int gain.
  
  Mana you of course need a decent amount to continuously fling attacks. However, it's not that that much of an importance since Magic Weapon Mastery, Elemental Mastery, and high Intelligence reduces Fireball, Thunder, and Ice Spear MP costs by a noticeable amount (others don't matter due to their relatively low MP cost, sans Hail Storm). You also have Inspiration, which dramatically reduces your dependency on other MP reducing or regenerating resources.
  
  

  Is this that phase where everyone focuses on making money and buying reforges? Say it ain't so!

  
  
  Yes, this is pretty much the phase where reforges/enchants come into play. Or you can not give a shit, being dependent on stats, talent, and good equipment only.
• Rydian wrote on 2015-09-19 10:50
  Equipment and titles?
  
  +MA is cheaper than +Int in those terms, and 68 MA from step 5 blue in a wand/staff is nice.
• Poshwosh wrote on 2015-09-19 12:00

  Quote from Darkboy132;1286881:

  Meteor and Elemental Masteries have the highest Int:AP ratio out of your low ranked magic skills.

  
  I'll get on that. Except ice mastery, ew.
  
  

  Quote from Darkboy132;1286881:

  Or you could go into Bard and rank 1 Musical Knowledge and Composing due to their massive Intelligence influx, or any other talent. Never forget Aeira's books, or Lassar's classes, for their minor but permanent, cheap Int gain.

  
  Both rank 1, I forgot to mention those. Enchant, Blacksmith, Drugs, etc also maxed. And I already did the lessons and books.
  
  I have no mana issues luckily, I have 550 right now, but be it 800+ I'll still need to spam potions when that message pops up, haha.
  
  

  Quote from Rydian;1286890:

  Equipment and titles?
  
  +MA is cheaper than +Int in those terms, and 68 MA from step 5 blue in a wand/staff is nice.

  
  
  Magic Weapon Master the Halloween Party. I want to buy Tarlach, but I always think to myself they'll eventually release a better title soon, they always do that.
  
  Staff and wand are fine I think, I have s6 arcane wizard hermit staff with 95 INT and s6 arcane wizard fire savage wand with 65 INT. No reforges on them.
  
  Equipment, baaaaad... I'm still running with the beginner equips. The only exception is I bought a gamyu wizard robe armor, but I haven't found a welcome enchant for it yet, so blank. Is there a basic enchant set I can take advantage of?
• WindStorm wrote on 2015-09-19 15:44
  (Sorry I missed the post above ; w; so you can ignore a few things. I hope some info helps you then OR atleast some other passer by mage who is new to it)
  
  As of right now, the best title for magic all around is Meteor Strike Master(50 magic attack)+ALO Asuna (40 Magic attack) but you can substitute that for Tarlach which is 32 Magic attack.
  (However if you are maining firebolt for a mission, dungeon or just in general you main firebolt, if you also are bard, or party with a bard, a max damage title is key here due to the fact the firebolt can scale of max damage also and it has a damage coefficient seeing as firebolt's damage multiplied and increased the number of charges it has upon casting it. I REALLY hope I explained that right or simply, I am new to explaining magic is dept)
  
  I would recommened finishing off your magic tab to obtain the rest of the int for higher magic attack. Keep in mind some of the skills (See: Meteor Strike) have had a change. Meteor strike use to have a 30 minute cool down (I remember mastering it with 30 minute cool down and then crying if you missed the dragon q-q) which has now been reduced down to 15 minutes. Still a crappy cool down, but hey, it's an improvement.
  
  http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Stats_and_Skills#Intelligence
  
  Do the sheilds also and the cleric skills, they may give little to no INT but that doesn't change the fact they give MP, a high end game mage NEEDS their mana pool to be good and needs it for upkeep.
  
  Inspiration is a very good skill to rank, the recovery of MP and the MP it gives. Below is a list of skills that give MP that I recommend doing also:
  
  http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Stats_and_Skills#Mana_Points
  
  You have noticed by now that some skills that give Int and MP are not even based to a mage talent. That is because other skill sets give int too. It's important to do these skills first. Some talents are hybrid talents that require a build in both to be sucessful (see: gunner) Life skills also give Int and some are VERY easy to rank. Check the link I provided up there! (Worry not for Magic Craft/Engeneering/Blacksmithing for now, those are the BIG life skills, but the others are sure nessecary to rank)
  
  Do Enchant last. YES that's right I do recommened doing enchant. Fear not, it's not as scary as it was. That should be one thing to work for for a guide. Me and my boyfriend and guildmates all got enchant done in the course of 1 day, one day a guide should be made, but really, there is a way to do enchant in one day (maybe adding on another day, but thats to be explained in a guild)
  
  Equipment to give a run down: Hebona robe set (Preferably Firebolt enchanement, I went both for my set, but firebolt > ice bolt)
  
  Savage fire wand, step 6 BLUE (it isn't until you hit end game mage with capped Int and MP and capped mage tab. thats the point were RED UPGRADED = BLUE UPGRADED or Red will surpass blue) Make sure it's got high Dura and 4 but PREFERABLY 5 base magic attack. For a chance at a high rolled one Look for your local r1 magic crafter to make you one (or if you are on Mari, we have 3 magic craft masters)
  Savage Ice wand, Step 6 blue+Rosemaries. Good for high end blazes who still do Ice spear into blaze (please tell me I'm not the only end game mage that does this still ;w; Anyway. moving on)
  
  Tribolt wand - Can be used good but I prefer Savage fire wand.
  
  Karis Set for Mana Reduction
  
  Staffs are nice too. I will SAY if you are an ingame mage. DON'T art upgrade it. (Were I am right now, I hit the int cap without the help of art upgrades, that is why I choose not to art upgrade my sin staff. ) It's wasted on end game mages. Beginner to low/medium teir mages, I would recommend it, but not for an end game mage.
  
  I am only now starting to go into enchants, so I will let someone else cover that for you. Howevere you are going to want to go after Magic attack ones and Max Damage ones (for firebolt)
  
  For reforges, look for the ones that go with your main skill set or the main magic that you use. (Also take casting speed and Vivace reforges into consideration)
  
  Ego: Are you a main magic user? if so. Ego firewand, regular not phoenix, for a firewand does wonders. A high ego can surpass that of a step 6 savage firewand.
  
  I think I covered some stuff, if I think of anything eles I shall update this but thats all I can think of for now. Hope this helps!
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-09-20 03:54

  Quote from Poshwosh:

  The remaining magic skills I have yet to rank don't look useful enough (Ice Spear and Hail Storm)

  
  
  I do want to say they're "useful", but then you have significantly better skills like Lightning Rod. You could Ice Spear Blinkers and people can hit them now, but it's much better to kill them instantly instead, and that 50% damage reduction might get in the way. Hail Storm had reasonable offensive power, but it's just obsoleted now due to Lightning Rod.
  
  

  Quote from WindStorm:

  Do the sheilds also and the cleric skills, they may give little to no INT but that doesn't change the fact they give MP, a high end game mage NEEDS their mana pool to be good and needs it for upkeep.
  
  Inspiration is a very good skill to rank, the recovery of MP and the MP it gives. Below is a list of skills that give MP that I recommend doing also:
  
  http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/S...ls#Mana_Points

  
  
  

  Quote from Darkboy132:

  Mana you of course need a decent amount to continuously fling attacks. However, it's not that much of an importance since Magic Weapon Mastery, Elemental Mastery, and high Intelligence reduces Fireball, Thunder, and Ice Spear MP costs by a noticeable amount (others don't matter due to their relatively low MP cost, sans Hail Storm). You also have Inspiration, which dramatically reduces your dependency on other MP reducing or regenerating resources.

  
  
  Back then high MP used to have a major impact in the game. Now it's a lot less relevant to the point where you don't even need mana potions anymore; even before Inspiration was added I personally never needed to use MP pots or gear.
  
  While a high resource is good to have, Intelligence still has higher priority.
• Rydian wrote on 2015-09-20 18:13
  When I decide THIS ENEMY IN PARTICULAR NEEDS TO STOP EXISTING RIGHT NOW and go CC firebolt spam I can use pots, but I've gotten so used to keeping it cheap and regenning when required that pots are a lesser situation now unless it's like, a 500K HP boss or something.
• callback wrote on 2015-09-21 14:51
  For titles, Master of Meteor Strike / ALO Asuna is the best, but good luck finding an Asuna coupon anywhere.
  
  As far as what's likely cheap/on the market, Winter Angel is probably the easiest matk 2nd title to find for now for cheap.
  
  
  As for mana, it's good to have. You should ideally have r1 Inspiration, in which case a bigger mana pool means bigger mana recovery. I'm slowly edging closer to having 1k off a fresh RB myself (somehow mana is the last of my 3 resources to do this...)
  
  Oh, and of course, try to get a nice druid staff. Great matk base and upgrade, 30% usage reduction, and somehow cheaper than a hermit to repair...(What?) Just farm a bit of AAHM and collect those mage gems, find a reliable magic crafter, and get it made.
• Poshwosh wrote on 2015-09-21 18:20
  Thank you for all the support guys, definitely helped me make some improvements.
  I've already accomplished most of what you noted WindStorm with the exception of equips. Karis is a good idea like you mentioned but...
  While trying to get my girlfriend kunai storm attack range reforge, I stumbled upon blaze damage 20. Couldn't say no haha, but now I can't get a mana reduction set, it's on royal knight gauntlets.
  I enchanted it with collector and homestead, so it's 4 MA now, with that I'd say gloves done.
  What are some good enchants for hat, shoes and top?
  
  Other than that I ranked up fire mastery and lightning mastery to 1, now I'm working on meteor... slowly...
  
  I think I'll still wait for new 2nd titles, they always release new ones every year, right? I'm so sad I missed the winter angel one you mentioned callback.
  
  About the staff, I don't really want to spend money on a new staff right now, s6 seems enough for me right now. I'll be that one guy in G25 who still runs around with it like them highlander bow elves right now!
• Esileruf wrote on 2015-09-21 18:48
  If you have a good willpower and accessory count, you can still enable mana reduction without resorting to hurting your damage.
  

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  Both my accs have Mana witch, one with 2 level, other with 3, and the karis is 5. I don't lose much damage as +8 max isn't much for firebolt, and successor is a pain in the rear to enchant for +6 max/4 matk or effective 8.8 firebolt max.
  
  And new staves aren't too important, its generally small increases. A hermit right now is fine unless it has an int artisan, which when you get high enough your main trouble will either be wasting int from normal caters, or functioning by using caters with less and less int. If you combo with gunner however, its largely more important to keep int capped rather than change your caters, where you'll lack without artisan, but that's hybridizing territory.
  
  Here's the Magic attack enchant set:
  Magic Attack Enchants assumed are as follows: Coma(7)/Treasure(3), Welcome(5), Coma(7)/Witch(4), Mana Hammer(5)/Homestead(2), Awakened(6)/Successor(4), Awakened(6)/Successor(4). +18 Enchant damage from accs as well. Welcome, Coma, And awakened/successor are insanely hard to find and enchant. These should be your end-game, Worry about last enchants.
• Poshwosh wrote on 2015-09-21 19:18
  Now that you mention about the INT cap, yes, I did use artisan roll. But now that concerns me:
  I don't like the magic staff suffixes due to the repair costs, as I'm very frugal haha, so I went with wizard. Should I replace it with something like Spike for Firebolt damage?
• Esileruf wrote on 2015-09-21 19:54
  Well, for staves, the repair upkeep is lower than normal as its got a more efficient damage-dura ratio than a chaincast firewand. I'd say going Mana Needle/Island until you can find the lesser of the Magic Renovation Enchants would be a plan.
  
  

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  Also, Here's my shorthand info I toss around
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  Probably everything was covered already, but I keep it offhand as a reference sheet.
• Poshwosh wrote on 2015-09-21 21:01
  D'oh I messed up that up somehow, sorry. I meant to say magic attack suffixes, not magic staff suffixes, that's why I mentioned Spike for Firebolt damage.
  
  Still, I'll change Arcane (r9) to Mana Needle on the Hermit's Staff, you make a good point, I barely need to repair the staff compared to my wand! I'll also stick Island on it, but that's just the staff, what about wand?
  
  10 max damage (Spike) should do more than 2 magic attack (Island) when it comes to Firebolt, right?
• Rynn wrote on 2015-09-21 21:12
  10 max damage is like 8 magic attack (or a lot more if under bfo) for firebolt.
• ironwoman wrote on 2015-09-22 01:09
  Few things I wanted to mention/correct here...
  
  

  Quote from Rydian;1286890:

  Equipment and titles?
  
  +MA is cheaper than +Int in those terms, and 68 MA from step 5 blue in a wand/staff is nice.

  
  
  In the end, you should be looking at Meteor Strike Master ALO Asuna, but we can't get everything we want, right? Realistically speaking, Magic Weapon Master Tarlach is what is obtainable for you.
  
  As for S5/6 issue... I say S6 all the way for magic weapons (except firebolt wands, but that's another issue). A lowest MA roll possible with S6 will still beat out S5 highest roll MA, so there is really no reason to not go S6, especially considering we got the protection stones recently along with trade unlocks.
  
  

  Quote from WindStorm;1286907:

  
  Equipment to give a run down: Hebona robe set (Preferably Firebolt enchanement, I went both for my set, but firebolt > ice bolt)
  
  Savage fire wand, step 6 BLUE (it isn't until you hit end game mage with capped Int and MP and capped mage tab. thats the point were RED UPGRADED = BLUE UPGRADED or Red will surpass blue) Make sure it's got high Dura and 4 but PREFERABLY 5 base magic attack. For a chance at a high rolled one Look for your local r1 magic crafter to make you one (or if you are on Mari, we have 3 magic craft masters)
  Savage Ice wand, Step 6 blue+Rosemaries. Good for high end blazes who still do Ice spear into blaze (please tell me I'm not the only end game mage that does this still ;w; Anyway. moving on)
  
  Tribolt wand - Can be used good but I prefer Savage fire wand.
  
  Karis Set for Mana Reduction
  
  I am only now starting to go into enchants, so I will let someone else cover that for you. Howevere you are going to want to go after Magic attack ones and Max Damage ones (for firebolt)
  
  For reforges, look for the ones that go with your main skill set or the main magic that you use. (Also take casting speed and Vivace reforges into consideration)
  
  Ego: Are you a main magic user? if so. Ego firewand, regular not phoenix, for a firewand does wonders. A high ego can surpass that of a step 6 savage firewand.
  
  I think I covered some stuff, if I think of anything eles I shall update this but thats all I can think of for now. Hope this helps!

  
  
  With the bonus from current masteries, MP pool from skills, loads of RE pots released from events, and Inspiration, MP recovery should never be an issue. That being said, I don't agree with the Karis set. As for Hebona set, the firebolt enchancement is minimal. Most likely, you're better off getting a Languhiris Chaser Circlet and get Fire Mastery reforge on that (easiest piece to make for dragon gears, btw). Usually I'm not an advocate of RKA, but in this case, I'd encourage it, due to MA's effectiveness with MS as well as ping.
  
  As for firebolt wand, you should really be going for R6 instead of S6, since the BFO will be more potent with R upgrades. Only reason you would S6 is if your gear is not based off of max damage. But then again, you're better off using Tribolt wand or Ego Firebolt Wand for damages. You can use Savage Fire Wand for blaze I guess, but I'd think Ice Wand is better for that due to IS + Blaze.
  
  As for ego vs. regular wands... ego will always win out. There is one alternative that comes very close with ego, and that is Tribolt Wand. If you want to spend some time with Firebolt but not too much, that wand is your answer. Other wands are pretty much obsolete at this point if it weren't for blaze.
  
  As for BFO vs. Vivace, it depends on your gear. If you have max damage gears, BFO will help you out a ton more.
  
  So what should your equipment look like? If you were to combine Mage/Final Hit/Gunner gear, this is what it would look like:
  
  Headgear: Oblivion Dexterity Languhiris Chaser Circlet/Chinese Dragon Helmet/Random Wig. Reason for three? Game probably won't be nice enough for you to get all three on one hat. You'd want circlet for Magic related, CD helmet for Gunner (get Wotg duration 20) and FH CD 20 on wig.
  Body: Sight/Long-Lasting Champion/Heroic RKA. I prefer sight over conceptual because of easiness of enchanting as well as more returns in general. The balance can help out a lot for guns. Champion and Heroic are pretty self explanatory, damages. I'd get Final Hit duration 20.
  Shoes: Solo Viscount Languhiris Chaser Boots. You want the AS + 2 from viscount so that you can complete AS effect with Languhiris gloves. I'd get shooting rush damage 20 on this thing. You could opt in for Chinese Dragon boots, but I like the defensive stats Lang has to offer.
  Gloves: Solo Camo/Backbreaking Lang gloves. Ideally backbreaking for enchant, but RNG can get you only so far. You want Combat Mastery damage 20 on it. MS reduction is essentially a waste when you get high MA.