HackShield Officially Discontinued

• Rydian wrote on 2015-10-19 20:19
  So a few months ago Ahnlabs said that HackShield's been discontinued and will only get support until the end of 2015. Obviously this affects Mabinogi (which still uses HackShield), but lots of other games use it as well.
  
  

  • Archeage KR is moving to GameGuard.
    
  • Archeage NA is looking into other things and talks like they don't want GameGuard (probably due to the reputation).
    
  • There's multiple modern "MMO"s like Tera and Warframe that don't use any third-party anti-cheat software because they have basic detection built-in, and they sync stuff with the server.

  
  I can't find any news on what Nexon will be doing though. They could just keep it for basic detection, they could move to something else, they could do a security cleanup and drop it, etc.
  
  My stance on the matter is that things like this shouldn't be needed at all if the game is actually secure and doesn't client-side crap to save on server power... but these are Korean MMOs. They're literally run as a money-making business and the cheaper the server costs, the higher the potential profit margin so the "better" they are.
  
  In any case they're gotta' do something, I assume. Any news or rumors?
• Qnjo wrote on 2015-10-19 21:00
  Devs seem to be on the roll with fixing and adding stuff to mabi, so built-in system sounds plausible, actually.
• delight wrote on 2015-10-19 22:58
  Oh please, no GameGuard,
  It is even worse than HS because it causes even more instabilities to OS.
  
  I am wondering if BlackCipher is an option,
  but I think for all servers of Mabinogi,
  currently only Mabinogi NA uses it right?
  
  How is that thing?
  Will it cause massive slowdowns or even BSOD?
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-10-20 09:52
  Finally the cancerous, previously incompatible with Windows 8 and 10 "shield" goes to hell. :ran_nao:
• Rydian wrote on 2015-10-20 16:16

  Quote from Qnjo;1288719:

  Devs seem to be on the roll with fixing and adding stuff to mabi, so built-in system sounds plausible, actually.

  A lot of things are still client-side (like the entire fishing minigame) and if they were to do integrity checks (which the client itself doesn't do right now) they'd need a hell of a lot of code cleanup unfortunately.
  
  

  Quote from delight;1288723:

  I am wondering if BlackCipher is an option,
  but I think for all servers of Mabinogi,
  currently only Mabinogi NA uses it right?

  I'm not sure if anybody knows what that is other than some sort of logger.
• Daakun wrote on 2015-10-20 17:01
  Are there any games where hackshield is a hack shield instead of a big arrow saying "this game is easy to hack"?
• bob wrote on 2015-10-20 17:11
  what exactly does hackshield even do when it is so easily bypassed by crackshield or whatever abyss uses
  
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• tachiorz wrote on 2015-10-20 17:42

  Quote from bob;1288742:

  what exactly does hackshield even do when it is so easily bypassed by crackshield or whatever abyss uses
  
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  It aint easily bypassed, really smart hacker made that thing.
  Hackshield uses lowest level in obscure ways and acts like a trojan (that's why it always breaks with new version of windows). It checks that your game isn't modified and no known hacking software is running. Also gathers various information about your PC and maybe your actions, logs are encrypted so there no ways to know
• Roflorz wrote on 2015-10-20 20:55

  Quote from bob;1288742:

  what exactly does hackshield even do when it is so easily bypassed by crackshield or whatever abyss uses
  
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  Lol. I want to see you build a bypass.
• Liesha wrote on 2015-10-21 02:47
  That means hopefully we won't have to worry about Windows 100 workaround, assuming the replacement is Win10 supported already (with Ferghus seal of approval :-)
• Rydian wrote on 2015-10-21 11:27
  [SIZE="1"]I agree with Roflzorz for once, quick, somebody get a camera to prove it happened![/SIZE]
  
  Skipping the whole technical discussion of "if it's on the user's computer they can mess with it", once something stops updating, a single flaw in it can keep it cracked wide open forever.
  
  Look at the PSP for an example. What happened while Sony was still updating it? Ways to mod it kept getting patched, things went a year or more at a time with nothing usable other than user-mode homebrew. Then Sony stopped updating it, and now every single model on every single firmware can be softmodded with no additional hardware in seconds.
• Tetosan wrote on 2015-10-23 17:20

  Quote from Rydian;1288786:

  [SIZE="1"]I agree with Roflzorz for once, quick, somebody get a camera to prove it happened![/SIZE]
  
  Skipping the whole technical discussion of "if it's on the user's computer they can mess with it", once something stops updating, a single flaw in it can keep it cracked wide open forever.
  
  Look at the PSP for an example. What happened while Sony was still updating it? Ways to mod it kept getting patched, things went a year or more at a time with nothing usable other than user-mode homebrew. Then Sony stopped updating it, and now every single model on every single firmware can be softmodded with no additional hardware in seconds.

  
  
  Let's look at the Wii, it keeps getting updated, all cracks keep working. Sloppy work or just Nintendo not giving a fuck?
• Rydian wrote on 2015-10-24 14:45

  Quote from Tetosan;1288914:

  Let's look at the Wii, it keeps getting updated, all cracks keep working. Sloppy work or just Nintendo not giving a fuck?

  The Wii stopped getting major updates a long time ago, but up until it did things were getting patched. The Twilight hack stopped with 4.0, Bannerbombv1 stopped with 4.1, but then Letterbomb came out for 4.3 and... 4.3's the last update for the original Wii.
  
  (But yeah for the Wii U's Wii portion, Nintendo just stopped caring.)
• Daakun wrote on 2015-10-24 17:07
  They couldn't realistically fix the Smash Stack entrypoint; it allowed full control from code running on a disc and the SD card could be inserted for it after the system menu gave control to the game.
  To fix that on the Wii U they'd have to set some sort of in-between filter from Wii U mode to wipe out hacked stage data like how they wiped hacked TP saves at the system menu, and for some reason they hate doing that for their built-in backwards-compatibility systems.
  
  I'd assume it's to avoid cross contamination; the less you have interacting with the emulated system the fewer potential vulnerabilities there are going from a known compromised environment to a secure one.
  They didn't really want the full control we have in Wii mode to somehow crack Wii U mode open.
• Aubog007 wrote on 2015-10-26 02:42
  I honestly dont understand jailbreaking. But whatevs