The Mabinogi Grand Refurbishment Update

• Kingofrunes wrote on 2015-11-12 22:55

  Quote from Drizzit;1289917:

  Not sure if serious, or an elaborate fruit-based joke.

  
  
  It's a play on my name as well as a fruit based joke all in one.
• ＣＩＲＮＯ wrote on 2015-11-12 23:17

  Quote from Drizzit;1289917:

  Not sure if serious, or an elaborate fruit-based joke.

  
  
  :^)
  

  Quote from Qnjo;1289919:

  I want an EU server. Let's name it Pineapple.

  
  We ain't want anyone to be fruiting up the servers now, do we?
  

  Quote from Bunny;1289923:

  I prefer nectarines fix pls

  
  :^)
  
  I like Kiwis, they are green and they ping all the time and have 5 HP.
  

  Quote from Kingofrunes;1289925:

  It's a play on my name as well as a fruit based joke all in one.

  
  
  Kingoffruits
• Chihaya wrote on 2015-11-13 00:06
  You have way too much time on your hands.
  
  Share that with me, seriously.
• EndlessDreams wrote on 2015-11-13 02:01
  This just to show you that it is more fun making a long make-believe system than it is to play the game.
  
  The game is very old, and the systems are very outdated. Even with all the changes, the gap between starting player and end-game player is just way too huge. The combat is pretty dull. The graphics, while appealing to some, is really lacking compare to other mmorpgs nowadays.
  
  Also, it is pretty discouraging to log on and can't find party for specific things due to empty server. So people won't log on, making it more empty.
• ＣＩＲＮＯ wrote on 2015-11-13 06:47
  Which is why we need ORANGE to get our friends to come online :^)
• Con1nieDet wrote on 2015-11-13 08:34
  강남오피 ∈Oｐｙｏ0１．CＯM∋ ≪오피요≫ 강남오피 천안오피 논현오피
  인천오피 ∈Oｐｙｏ0１．CＯM∋ ≪오피요≫ 간석오피 강남오피 강남오피
  부천오피 ∈Oｐｙｏ0１．CＯM∋ ≪오피요≫ 분당오피 부평오피 역삼오피
• Kapra wrote on 2015-11-13 09:18

  Quote from ＣＩＲＮＯ;1289885:

  It is to promote players to stay together with their spouse for as long as possible, rewarding both players for understanding the benefits of a proper in-game long term relationship instead of jumping the gun and hoping that marriage works out well without proper planning.

  
  I don't really think that's something to be discouraged. Don't really like the Lemon system to be honest. The points should be interaction based, not time based. And the rewards kinda suck. Also I don't like the idea of free teleport, and the family system already supplies them with teleportation. I do like the idea of a family emblem but I think that should deal with the family system specifically, not marriage, and that you should be able to have a family as a single parent.
• ＣＩＲＮＯ wrote on 2015-11-13 15:36

  Quote from Kapra;1289999:

  I don't really think that's something to be discouraged. Don't really like the Lemon system to be honest. The points should be interaction based, not time based. And the rewards kinda suck. Also I don't like the idea of free teleport, and the family system already supplies them with teleportation. I do like the idea of a family emblem but I think that should deal with the family system specifically, not marriage, and that you should be able to have a family as a single parent.

  
  
  You misunderstand the point of the system itself.
  
  The skill ranks are based upon time. Tokens are based upon time and interaction between two players.
  The rewards don't exactly suck, other than how they look like, I've never stated their stats. I've already said that I do not wish to implement more uber-tiered weapons to fight against Celtics or Fanatics, or whatever ego weapons/ armor you have.
  
  Family as a single parent is under the Adoption system, which is APPLE (Adoptive Parent Program, Life Enchancement). LEMON is to promote living as a couple. Divorce should be discouraged in a way (You lose your LEMON partner skills), but other than that, you don't really lose anything else. The once-a-month marriage limit is reasonable, and so is the family limit. If you change partners as much as you change guilds, then maybe you should stop jumping the gun and marrying someone that you ain't even going to stay with for the month.
  
  I don't know why you dislike the system. If you dislike it because of the skills, I am willing to accept that. If you dislike the system due to the rewards being absolute fashionogi rubbish, I am willing to accept that. But when you dislike the system because it's moral implementations are against your very own basic morals, where as the morals in this point is to be faithful and do your best, I don't think I can accept such a reason.
  
  No, I disagree with letting people marry as much as they want. Be glad that I didn't say you are stuck with one same partner for life. 1 month cooldown is actually pretty reasonable, if you think about it. You can choose to divorce and start the honeymoon quests, which will take approximately 1 month to complete. There is absolutely no issues with that.
• Kapra wrote on 2015-11-14 01:10
  The rewards suck in general, and I don't even thinkthere needs to be a reward system. But what bothers me is moral, as you said. I am not belittling the idea of being faithful and doing your best, I personally have only been married in Mabinogi twice and the current marriage having lasted several years. But what seems wrong is policing faithfulness or discouraging divorce. Especially coming from another player and not government (or in this case DevCAT).
  
  Divorce≠Bad
  
  Sooner we get rid of that logic sooner it won't be a stigma and children of divorce won't feel bad or be made fun of.
• ＣＩＲＮＯ wrote on 2015-11-14 01:26
  In that case, what sort of rewards do you feel that has nothing to do with exchanging tokens for Fashionogi equipments (Which, in my opinion, would promote more players to consider the system because they would like to collect the clothing, or wear it), or skills that would promote partner interactions?
  
  Divorce for petty reasons is generally bad. One should not be treating relationship in such a petty, trival manner. If you plan to file for divorce because of an argument over fried bacon or sunny side up, then that is a bad thing.
  
  However, if divorce is filed because of issues like abusive husband or wife, I see no problems with that. Furthermore, I don't see how painting divorce as an unfortunate sign is wrong. Divorce is indeed unfortunate. Children of divorced parents shouldn't feel bad about their situation, especially if it is one of those abuse cases. Additionally, they do not have a choice in the matter in the first place, they shouldn't be feeling bad about whatever that has happened.
  
  Once again, this system doesn't prevents people from choosing to leave their partners. It does, however, questions them if it is truly worth doing so. In this case, if the cons outweights the pros, then go for it. The purpose of this system is to introduce a reason for people to stay together, and naturally, having a system that promotes players to remain as partners deters divorce rates.
  
  However, there is no means for the system to prevent or stop a relationship from going sour. Whatever that happens next will depend on the players themselves.
  
  Going sour.
  
  Lemon
  
  Kek.
• EndlessDreams wrote on 2015-11-15 03:25

  Quote from ＣＩＲＮＯ;1290031:

  In that case, what sort of rewards do you feel that has nothing to do with exchanging tokens for Fashionogi equipments (Which, in my opinion, would promote more players to consider the system because they would like to collect the clothing, or wear it), or skills that would promote partner interactions?
  
  Divorce for petty reasons is generally bad. One should not be treating relationship in such a petty, trival manner. If you plan to file for divorce because of an argument over fried bacon or sunny side up, then that is a bad thing.
  
  However, if divorce is filed because of issues like abusive husband or wife, I see no problems with that. Furthermore, I don't see how painting divorce as an unfortunate sign is wrong. Divorce is indeed unfortunate. Children of divorced parents shouldn't feel bad about their situation, especially if it is one of those abuse cases. Additionally, they do not have a choice in the matter in the first place, they shouldn't be feeling bad about whatever that has happened.
  
  Once again, this system doesn't prevents people from choosing to leave their partners. It does, however, questions them if it is truly worth doing so. In this case, if the cons outweights the pros, then go for it. The purpose of this system is to introduce a reason for people to stay together, and naturally, having a system that promotes players to remain as partners deters divorce rates.
  
  However, there is no means for the system to prevent or stop a relationship from going sour. Whatever that happens next will depend on the players themselves.
  
  Going sour.
  
  Lemon
  
  Kek.

  
  
  Whoa there. While I agree with you that sunny side up is a trivial reason for divorce. I disagree with you on the fried bacon part. Bacon is always serious business, and is a valid reason for Mabinogi divorces. It is just as serious as Mabinogi divorcing someone who believes tomato is a fruit, and not a vegetable.
• Drizzit wrote on 2015-11-15 03:30
  I am so very confused by this thread.
• TheDarkPaladin wrote on 2015-11-15 04:34

  Quote from Drizzit;1290100:

  I am so very confused by this thread.

  
  don't worry, you're not the only one....all i got from it was something about fruit
• ＣＩＲＮＯ wrote on 2015-11-15 09:03

  Quote from EndlessDreams;1290098:

  Whoa there. While I agree with you that sunny side up is a trivial reason for divorce. I disagree with you on the fried bacon part. Bacon is always serious business, and is a valid reason for Mabinogi divorces. It is just as serious as Mabinogi divorcing someone who believes tomato is a fruit, and not a vegetable.

  
  
  The TOMATO Blueprint.
• ＣＩＲＮＯ wrote on 2015-11-16 03:56

  Quote from EndlessDreams;1290098:

  Whoa there. While I agree with you that sunny side up is a trivial reason for divorce. I disagree with you on the fried bacon part. Bacon is always serious business, and is a valid reason for Mabinogi divorces. It is just as serious as Mabinogi divorcing someone who believes tomato is a fruit, and not a vegetable.

  
  
  You might think Tomato is a vegetable, but in fact, we all know TOMATOES are fruits.
  
  Behold, I bring to you...
  
  
  
  
  [SIZE="6"]The TOMATO Source[/SIZE]
  Trading Opportunities (and) Merchanting At Trading Outposts
  
  The TOMATO is an advanced trading/ merchanting system that adds on to the ORANGE application. While ORANGE allows players to purchase, sell or buy items offline, TOMATO allows a player to check all available prices for a particular item, enhancing competitive merchanting between players. TOMATO further allows players to build various economies within the game based off other currencies (PONs), or even purchase NEXON credit via trade. TOMATO strives to create an environment that cripples scammers, giving players a chance to take part in legal, NEXON approved behaviors.
  
  
  What does the TOMATO do?
  
  The TOMATO creates various system within Mabinogi that helps out budding merchants, or new players, to catch up with the economy with speed.
  
  - TOMATO creates a trading board. Instead of displaying each individual item, TOMATO will group all similiar items as a single item, selling the cheapest item first. This allows newbies to get their hands on a cheap item quickly without doing much searching. Although this function is already in game, it only spreads through out trading posts and the housing boards.
  
  - TOMATO strives to remove the need for advertisment fliers within Mabinogi, or to make the fliers automated. TOMATO also allows items within shops to be searched for via the trading board. No longer would you need to look through billions and billions of shops at Belvast or Dunbarton, TOMATO does it for you so you can spend more time doing other more productive things; like AFKing, for example.
  
  - TOMATO allows previously untradable currencies like PONs and NEXON cash to be traded freely between players. Due to the system, all trades will only be open after the purchase (To prevent players from trading unapproved NEXON cash/ PONs) of 5 days. TOMATO allows players to sell and buy PONs and NEXON without the risk of being cheated of NX codes/ Gold.
  
  - TOMATO also allows players to test equipments within the trade box. No longer do you have to wonder what does an equipment looks like on your body. You can now click and try the item out within the trade box, thus cutting the need of requesting to "try" the equipment out before purchase, reducing the chance of people getting scammed.
  
  - TOMATO also reformats all drop-tradable items to become tradable instead. Doll bags, shop bags, and many other items will become trade-enabled. This reduces the chance of getting "drop-trade" scammed within the game.
  
  
  To further reduce the chance of scams, or accidents from happening within Mabinogi, here are some additional steps that TOMATO can implement to stop mistakes from happening:
  
  - TOMATO will include a drop option that prevents players from picking up your item until 15 seconds has passed. This will allow players to get their items back if they accidentally dropped it onto the ground. If player gets disconnected within the 15 seconds, the item will be transfered to the lost-and-found Town Office. This is to prevent hackers/ scammers from tricking their victims to drop their item, and then forcing them to glitch or disconnect, earning that unlawful loot.
  
  - TOMATO will implement a system where items are soft-traded, allowing players to "trust" another player with their items (i.e. Raccoon Cub equipment, untradable dye ampoules, etc). This system function much like the enchant system, allowing a player to place an untradable dye into the option, giving the owner of the equipment to select which portion to dye, and how much to pay for that untradable dye (Once again, cutting down on more trade/ charity scams).
  
  
  I'm a merchant, how does TOMATO benefits me?
  
  The TOMATO helps you out by placing your items on advertisment onto the trade board. This board is accessable to both online and offline players, enabling your items to get sold as soon as possible. TOMATO also allows you to check for the current "cheapest" price for a particular item on the market, enabling you to do real-time trading without stress on trying to figure out a particular price on the item.
  
  Furthermore, the TOMATO also creates a price chart, stating the name of the player that has paid a particular price for an item at a particular date. TOMATO will help you figure out how much particular items has been traded between players during a particular time, and how much does the item cost. Let TOMATO help you figure out your trading needs. Let TOMATO do your economics for you!
  
  
  As much as everything sounds pretty farfetched for this particular system, I assure you that everything that has been stated is easily achieved within the game itself. The TOMATO will work hand in hand with ORANGE, and thus giving us a mobile application, downloadable and easily installed into your mobile phones, to access, socialize, and even trade online without even being online. Let TOMATO note your customers, send a message to the merchant that you wish to purchase from. TOMATO will seal the deal for you.
  
  
  
  Besides, you can't decline an ice-cold glass of TOMATO-ORANGE juice on a hot Summer's day, can you?
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  (I have no idea how tomato orange juice would taste like. Do not blame me if it is nasty)