The Future of Mabinogi?

• Blissfulkill wrote on 2016-01-23 20:03

  Quote from Rynn;1293136:

  That one has little to do with activity or BnS.
  
  Few people want to spend on a gacha that's literally the same as beauty gachapon (something released twice in the past few months and massively given away for FREE as a hot time) with only +3 new outfit sets.

  
  
  Aw, I see. And here I thought you people lacked self control. Scratch that, the desire to not spend money. I know I have the desire to spend money. I usually spend $10 a gatcha.
• ironwoman wrote on 2016-01-23 22:13
  Also, why would people spend money on the slightly better beauty gachapon when there still is the Chorus and Allegro accs gachapon?
• Zeo wrote on 2016-01-24 00:23

  Quote from Blissfulkill;1293132:

  I don't know about you, but I am feeling a sore lack of Detective Outfits. Few have it, few are selling it. Did BnS take our paying players or something?

  
  
  Alexina server still have LOT of people spamming the new gachapon but I think the new items are more rare in term of drop.
• koishi-sempai wrote on 2016-01-24 00:44
  i'd ignore the bns hype for this, if it wasn't BNS it was going to be *something*. a LOT of people have been wanting to quit mabi for the past few months for various reasons and BNS was pretty much the spark that ignited a massive bale of gasoline soaked hay. Though if BNS maintains their current model and doesn't start selling progression the way Mabi sort of does then a lot of of those "mabi players trying out BNS" will become former mabi players.
  
  Another thing I forgot to mention that the gameplay is seriously degraded and one dimensional while being largely unrewarding. You use like one or two skills in a given talent because the rest suck, unless you're a mage (magic is the only skillset DevCat has consistently gotten right in 10 years, even now every skill in the talent except i guess fusion bolt is viable unlike melee where you can't even use windmill anymore). You're pigeonholed into optimal minmax skill builds and ranking orders in a game that sells itself on freedom, you can't even touch certain skillsets without being prepared for a huge money/time investment, and you're largely running content that gives crap 95% of the time. A lot of players are going to get disillusioned under these conditions.
  
  

  Every version would have the thrill of exploring new content and not knowing what exactly is coming out next. I wonder what it's like in KR and other versions of games like that where everything basically takes them by surprise. Sounds pretty awesome, actually

  
  
  well even the KR players knew what would happen because of test server
• TheDarkPaladin wrote on 2016-01-24 06:45

  Quote from koishi-sempai;1293149:

  i'd ignore the bns hype for this, if it wasn't BNS it was going to be *something*. a LOT of people have been wanting to quit mabi for the past few months for various reasons and BNS was pretty much the spark that ignited a massive bale of gasoline soaked hay. Though if BNS maintains their current model and doesn't start selling progression the way Mabi sort of does then a lot of of those "mabi players trying out BNS" will become former mabi players.
  
  Another thing I forgot to mention that the gameplay is seriously degraded and one dimensional while being largely unrewarding. You use like one or two skills in a given talent because the rest suck, unless you're a mage (magic is the only skillset DevCat has consistently gotten right in 10 years, even now every skill in the talent except i guess fusion bolt is viable unlike melee where you can't even use windmill anymore). You're pigeonholed into optimal minmax skill builds and ranking orders in a game that sells itself on freedom, you can't even touch certain skillsets without being prepared for a huge money/time investment, and you're largely running content that gives crap 95% of the time. A lot of players are going to get disillusioned under these conditions.
  
  
  
  well even the KR players knew what would happen because of test server

  
  actually, fusion bolt can be pretty decent for clearing rooms if you feel like spend a few seconds to prepare a fully charged one first, ofcourse, when you have things like FH, Bash, ninja and dualguns, it kinda gets ingored
• Blissfulkill wrote on 2016-01-24 13:11
  Yeah, I admit, they must be pulling out the stops with TWO gachas. If you ask me, this game isn't in its death throes. Unlike DFO in its last year.
• Daakun wrote on 2016-01-24 19:12

  Quote from koishi-sempai;1293149:

  even now every skill in the talent except i guess fusion bolt is viable

  
  
  Pah, people always knocking on the fusion bolt.
  Single charge Ice/Lightning is your most reliable damage output before you can afford to keep up with chaincast firebolt repair fees/mp pots, and even as an endgame mage, I often find myself using it for trash mobs that firebolt is overkill on anyway.
• gundamweed wrote on 2016-01-24 19:58
  I don't think mabi's going to last much longer, though I could be wrong since this game just caters to whales, and these whales love their mabinogi branded whale-feed.
  
  I say this going off the fact that people were bitching a lot for meaningful content to spam on a regular basis with their buddies, you know, much in the same way how the paradigm shifted from dungeons to shadow missions when G9 came out and fixed a ton of issues with dungeons by doing so. People are getting really sick of running the same SMs over and over again, doing their dailies, attending the nightly white/black dragon raid. We had promise with Alban. Then we get alban training center, and everyone thought that would be the new thang, but no. No one gave a shit and no one cares to run it, and that's the end of that story. Now, what's G20 REALLY mean to us? Nothing much, as stated before.
  
  What we really want to see is that new dungeon revamp, but I'm already calling it, no one's going to care after its initial release. Since we already saw the chart that details and compares difficulty of the dungeons, we already know people are going to cry that it's not challenging enoungh. People are going to hunt like absolute madmen for the destruction set, realize how boring it is due to lack of challenge, and it'll be ridiculously rare and expensive, only for nexon to release it in a gacha. Butthurt will ensue.
  
  Then people are going to look over to Black Desert, FFXIV, BnS, Maplestory 2, WoW's new expansion, or whatever new appetizing MMO out at the time. They will turn to each other, nod, and agree whole-heartedly that that's where the fun's at, and jump ship. At that point, the ship will sink. That's the future I see.
• koishi-sempai wrote on 2016-01-24 21:45

  Quote from gundamweed;1293168:

  No one gave a shit and no one cares to run it, and that's the end of that story.

  
  
  that's a product of the utter lack of stone availability (running Heroic puts you down 2-3m just for the stone). But not just that, I think mabi's combat is gradually getting both more unengaging and more inaccessible (there's a reason the average player is like 3k despite having played for half a decade) to the average player and people are deciding that other games are better in the way of actual *fun*. Right now too much of Mabinogi feels like a job because of its need to cater to the 1% of hardcores + having to shove too much into the cash shop.
• Kazusa Touma wrote on 2016-01-27 02:32
  I've been half waiting for BnS for ever since I saw htk's art for it a few years ago. I know a number of others that have been waiting for it too.
  
  Also, the way you can tell this game is dying... just look at wiki, we don't even have pictures for the beach wear that's being sold in the shop and that's been out for like over a week now?
• TheDarkPaladin wrote on 2016-01-27 03:28

  Quote from Kazusa Touma;1293239:

  I've been half waiting for BnS for ever since I saw htk's art for it a few years ago. I know a number of others that have been waiting for it too.
  
  Also, the way you can tell this game is dying... just look at wiki, we don't even have pictures for the beach wear that's being sold in the shop and that's been out for like over a week now?

  
  
  heh, wikis are never a good way to tell if a game is dying or not, more often then not wikis are maintained by only a few people, regardless of how large the player base for the game is
• Kazusa Touma wrote on 2016-01-27 03:46

  Quote from TheDarkPaladin;1293242:

  heh, wikis are never a good way to tell if a game is dying or not, more often then not wikis are maintained by only a few people, regardless of how large the player base for the game is

  
  
  Nah, it's a pretty good way to tell, along with the other signs that the game's dying. Wiki used to be updated immediately after something new is released, now even pictures of common items take a while to be uploaded if at all. You know anyone can register an account on wiki to put up pictures, but lately it's getting more and more common that no one does.
• TheDarkPaladin wrote on 2016-01-27 04:15

  Quote from Kazusa Touma;1293243:

  Nah, it's a pretty good way to tell, along with the other signs that the game's dying. Wiki used to be updated immediately after something new is released, now even pictures of common items take a while to be uploaded if at all. You know anyone can register an account on wiki to put up pictures, but lately it's getting more and more common that no one does.

  
  
  no, its actually not a good way, ive worked on enough wikis to confirm this. in the world today most people are self serving, they dont care enough to do things that will help others. many wikis start out as active but after a while they tend to slow down as the main people that worked on them got busy or did other things. this doesnt mean that the game is less active tho. working on a wiki is time consuming and more difficult than just typing a few things or straight up upload a pic or two (not to mention the wiki has regulations on pictures that some people dont seem to understand). in this case its less of a game dying and more of a wiki dying, sure anyone can make an account and edit, but most people arent willing to do that; they might be too busy, or maybe too lazy, its possible that they just dun care about it (its not like posting pics of something you have is rly going to help YOU, just others, after all, if you took the pics, you know what it looks like already, so if you dun care about others, why bother?)
  besides, these days most people go to the wiki just to check raid boss times or to see how to do something in an event to story line, besides that, most people dont go to the wiki for much and even less people go to the wiki to work on it, afterall, humankind is selfish by nature
• sans wrote on 2016-01-27 04:43

  Quote from Kazusa Touma;1293243:

  Nah, it's a pretty good way to tell, along with the other signs that the game's dying. Wiki used to be updated immediately after something new is released, now even pictures of common items take a while to be uploaded if at all. You know anyone can register an account on wiki to put up pictures, but lately it's getting more and more common that no one does.

  
  
  Vindictus wiki seems to be dying, yet the game itself isn't.
• Kazusa Touma wrote on 2016-01-27 04:56

  Quote from TheDarkPaladin;1293246:

  no, its actually not a good way, ive worked on enough wikis to confirm this. in the world today most people are self serving, they dont care enough to do things that will help others. many wikis start out as active but after a while they tend to slow down as the main people that worked on them got busy or did other things. this doesnt mean that the game is less active tho. working on a wiki is time consuming and more difficult than just typing a few things or straight up upload a pic or two (not to mention the wiki has regulations on pictures that some people dont seem to understand). in this case its less of a game dying and more of a wiki dying, sure anyone can make an account and edit, but most people arent willing to do that; they might be too busy, or maybe too lazy, its possible that they just dun care about it (its not like posting pics of something you have is rly going to help YOU, just others, after all, if you took the pics, you know what it looks like already, so if you dun care about others, why bother?)
  besides, these days most people go to the wiki just to check raid boss times or to see how to do something in an event to story line, besides that, most people dont go to the wiki for much and even less people go to the wiki to work on it, afterall, humankind is selfish by nature

  
  
  Your explanation pretty much supports what I said though. If anyone can upload a picture and less people are doing it, then that's a good indicator that the game's dying. Maybe that's not your definition of dying but that's what I define as dying. That doesn't mean that the game will be shut down anytime in the near future at all, but it also doesn't mean that the overall average population hasn't declined greatly.
  
  I don't see why people would be more selfish now than they would before, unless you know, there were just less people playing than before and consequently less people willing to actively update things.