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G20 Storyline plotholes / questions SPOILER ALERT

Paternoster wrote on 2016-04-21 03:00

Maybe I wasn't attentive enough with the story and although I did like it I found myself asking these questions when it finished.
[spoiler=G20 questions]
So how did the cultists always beat them before getting the fragments? They didn't tell us directly but I think they were hinting that they knew due to Pihne's corruption? But then how did they beat them to the fourth shard since they mentioned that it seems like the shard was already taken a long time ago.

Secondly did anyone else find the ending a bit too convenient? He made some modifications and now they're trapped there like.. really? They all get their ass whooped but in the end it's almost like: "Haha you fell for my trap card!".

Lastly what was the gate actually sealing to begin with? I think they probably mentioned this in the beginning but I'm having issues remembering. Was the whole purpose to seal the captain's body? If that's the case were all the preparations just to give the captain a proper funeral? It just seems sort of odd... I think I must've missed an important detail somewhere.

That's all I could think of for now. If anyone else has some insights / questions I'd love to hear it.
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OniZero wrote on 2016-04-21 06:31

They
[spoiler=]Seal the elder's body, most likely because he is the one that got his power from Aton Cimeni, so the body could have traces of Aton Cimeni's power[/spoiler]
Qnjo wrote on 2016-04-21 08:48

I think that thread title was enough of a spoiler warning and we don't have to cover our posts inside. Just for the sake of convenience.

Quote from Paternoster;1295039:

So how did the cultists always beat them before getting the fragments? They didn't tell us directly but I think they were hinting that they knew due to Pihne's corruption? But then how did they beat them to the fourth shard since they mentioned that it seems like the shard was already taken a long time ago.

Yes, that never got explicitly stated, but given how everyone bought it without complaining, it must've been related to Pihne's condition. I assume that after she had done this Illuminati sacrifice thing Ladeca was able to read her mind and share that information with the prophets, or something.

Secondly did anyone else find the ending a bit too convenient?

Pretty much everyone.

Lastly what was the gate actually sealing to begin with?

With it being the Avalon Gate, I'd take the liberty to conclude that there is Avalon behind it. And in Celtic mythology, Avalon is a paradise where both souls and bodies of the worthy reside.
sans wrote on 2016-04-21 08:53

Lastly what was the gate actually sealing to begin with?

I've yet to do G20 but did they ever make a mention of Tory Ravine, or at least a washed up non-human body or whatever that caused a corruption there that seemingly flowed to Beach of Scathach? IIRC this was something mentioned by the Belvast citizens and maybe during G15?
EphraDaMan wrote on 2016-04-21 11:53

Quote from sans;1295052:
I've yet to do G20 but did they ever make a mention of Tory Ravine, or at least a washed up non-human body or whatever that caused a corruption there that seemingly flowed to Beach of Scathach? IIRC this was something mentioned by the Belvast citizens and maybe during G15?

Pretty sure no mention of Tory Ravine was mentioned in G20.

We've still got a lot of empty map space left though, so whenever we do get it...it should be a huge area.
Kingofrunes wrote on 2016-04-21 12:29

This is standard fair for any mainstream quest devcat does. Devcat has no idea how to make a complete story that 100% makes sense. Every mainstream quest has plotholes, some more than others. It's just their shoddy writing and rushing things to quickly roll it out as they approach the deadlines their higher ups most likely set.

That being said, I think this story was the better ones that they've done in terms of the amount of plot holes. I found myself getting far more invested in this story than the previous ones. I began to actually care about Pihne and saving her. I cared about Talvish, Casweyn, and Altam. Avelin can go jump into Tory Ravine and never come back as far as I'm concerned >.>
Tetosan wrote on 2016-05-09 15:04

Quote from Paternoster;1295039:

So how did the cultists always beat them before getting the fragments? They didn't tell us directly but I think they were hinting that they knew due to Pihne's corruption? But then how did they beat them to the fourth shard since they mentioned that it seems like the shard was already taken a long time ago.

I really don't wanna burst everyone's bubble about it being Pihne's Condition but....
The Alban Knights don't even know where the final shard is.... Or do they?

Remember the Milletian found the locations, the others seemingly never were aware of the Locations so your useage of the Pendant was what mattered.
You lead them to the Arthuan Altar in Physis..... You lead them to the Heruin Altar at Port Ceann..... you lead them to the Eiler Altar.......
The ONLY Altar you DIDN'T lead them to because the General interrupted your spying was the ELVED Altar also it's the third that was gone longer ago, we NEVER got to know the fourth Location.

Now i have two options i can believe in.
1. The Black Wizard IS either the Elved Captain from long ago or the General himself and what is beyond Avalon Gate is something way different. That would explain how they knew where the shard is,

2. There's a 5th Prophet that plays a game with you all along and keeps somehow regaining your trust even if you start to distrust him.... Someone who ALWAYS seems to lure you into a trap and then either rescue you or regain your trust afterwards, someone who ALWAYS disappears at times....
The current Elved Captain TALVISH.

Secondly did anyone else find the ending a bit too convenient? He made some modifications and now they're trapped there like.. really? They all get their ass whooped but in the end it's almost like: "Haha you fell for my trap card!".

It's too convenient yes..... but what if That was their Plan all along? Maybe they NEED the Alban Knights to be able to follow them. The Shards open the Door but what if getting to whatever the Prophets are after requires Divine Power?
Also if my assumption comes out True and Talvish is playing you he could may as well be lying. It's surprisingly ALWAYS Talvish who is able to stop the Prophets and he's also the only one you start to distrust.
My Vibe is that this whole "Talvish rescues you and helps you so much" was to convince Caswyn that he's loyal to the Alban Knights. Caswyn distrusted Talvish and let's face it. Caswyn may be lazy and bad at communicating with others....
But he's way smarter than Avelin, Altam and Pihne.

Lastly what was the gate actually sealing to begin with? I think they probably mentioned this in the beginning but I'm having issues remembering. Was the whole purpose to seal the captain's body? If that's the case were all the preparations just to give the captain a proper funeral? It just seems sort of odd... I think I must've missed an important detail somewhere.

According to what they told us, the First Alban Knight Leader's Body, the only one to have his powers directly from Atom Cimeni. But who knows? knowing that they existed for so long, maybe beyond Avalon Gate is another World.... and what Ruairi and Tarlach did in Saga 2 only ripped the Gateway and didn't fully open one.
What if beyond Avalon Gate is actually the Sealed Ladeca?

Quote from sans;1295052:
I've yet to do G20 but did they ever make a mention of Tory Ravine, or at least a washed up non-human body or whatever that caused a corruption there that seemingly flowed to Beach of Scathach? IIRC this was something mentioned by the Belvast citizens and maybe during G15?

wasn't the Scathach Beach Corruption thanks to Morrighan playing with the Soul Stream?
It borked Tir Na Nog fully and then started to also show it's effect in the 'New' Erinn.
Qnjo wrote on 2016-05-10 09:30

Quote from Tetosan;1295414:

Also if my assumption comes out True and Talvish is playing you he could may as well be lying. It's surprisingly ALWAYS Talvish who is able to stop the Prophets

Maybe you're on to something...

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Drizzit wrote on 2016-05-10 11:39

I would explain a lot. It would also be a great callback to C1 where [SPOILER="If you somehow haven't done C1"]Cichol is pretty much using you to accomplish his goals the whole time.[/SPOILER]

Also, there's no way that the Elder's necklace wasn't planted there, right?
Tetosan wrote on 2016-05-12 21:37

Quote from Drizzit;1295435:
I would explain a lot. It would also be a great callback to C1 where [SPOILER="If you somehow haven't done C1"]Cichol is pretty much using you to accomplish his goals the whole time.[/SPOILER]

Also, there's no way that the Elder's necklace wasn't planted there, right?

There's a lot of fortunate events in the Milletian's life....
But Talvish was the only one out of 5 Knights to question how you got it. Pihne, Caswyn, Altam and Avelin all just were glad you had it (tho Avelin questioned if it was a good thing an outsider got so much insight in their History that even they didn't fully know) but Talvish QUESTIONED it....

Which brings me to another possible thing. What if the Necklace was indeed placed but Talvish isn't a traitor anyways?
What if the Prophets stumbled upon the Necklace knowing it's the Elder's Necklace, yet they couldn't use it to see the memories, however there's a being in Erinn that did this kind of Stuff very often. The Milletian seems to have a strange ability to see the Memories in Items, so they placed it there and put a not registerable Magic on it that caused them to see the Memories as well or eavesdrop on your conversations.
It can't be ruled out since Avelin may sense corrupt Divine Powers but she also didn't sense Pihne's Corruption.