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*EDIT: Also quit comparing it to racism. You're basically justifying ABC's view that anything not pro-Gay is put down as being the same as racist, without even addressing the concerns he is raising.
No, you can be perfect neutral to races and gay people.
The concerns he's raising.. hmm..
"But I eventually figured out that it wants to make sure homosexuality is a common norm and really hates homophobia."
Well, no, not really. It's partially that, but imo, it's more to make people stop
hating on it. It's just like before when black people were treated as less than human. Gay people do get a lot better treatment than then, but it's the same concept.
Especially in religion. There, you're not judging them based on how they are as a person. It's like discriminating all people who were born with .. Oh I don't know, blonde hair and green eyes. It's not something they can control.
"By then, it was pretty clear that homosexuals were doing the exact thing that they were preventing."
I don't believe in this statement, because if you were speaking out against gay people... why were you against them? Which brings me to my following points.
"It's not like my opposition is based on religion or "morals", it is based on the damage it could deal on humanity. But no my view is radical and stupid because it doesn't agree with homosexuality even though it has a clear logical flow."
Damage on humanity how? Yes yes I read your reason. But I still don't believe that homosexuality could largely impact humanity. (Like saying OH MY GOD THERE ARE TOO MANY BLACK PEOPLE IN THIS WORLD THEY'LL ALL BE GANGSTERS AND KILL PEOPLE -> just as an exaggerated stereotype)
I don't really see the clear logical flow, personally, because your reasons are quite flawed.
"If homosexuality is a common norm, then when straight people break up and the couples could become homosexuals blaming straight relationship rather than the fact that they were not meant for each other. That farther converts more people into homosexuality."
You don't
convert to being homosexual. Where did you get that idea?
"Once there are so many more homosexuals, there will be very few people actually reproducing (especially since there are abortions and financial problem with raising a child) and the human population will go down, thus producing less people with ideas that can improve humanity."
Honestly, this phrase is a bit .. no, it's pretty ridiculous. No matter how many homosexuals there are (and there won't be too many since you really can't convert to being gay), human population is going UP. Yes, abortions and financial problems, but a bigger looming problem is lack of birth control in places like Africa. Population is going up in places like those, and already going down in places like Japan. And that has little to nothing to do with homosexuality.
"So my solution to that problem is making sure people don't care much about homosexuality (thus not harassed) and that the homosexuals treat their sexuality just like modding in mabinogi. They are free to do so, but they should do it without letting others know."
Homosexual people didn't rub their sexuality in people's faces to start with. Gay/straight alliances were formed because there were people going, "HOMOSEXUALITY IS WRONG! RELATIONSHIPS ARE MEANT FOR MEN AND WOMEN!" And most of those people had no clear reason other than their own disgust. And even today, there are still people discriminating others for being homosexual. Do you see people discriminating others for liking lolita? Or anything like that?
"Homosexuals think that anyone who opposes homosexuality is a homophobic, but that is not true, there are people like me who are moderates, but oppose homosexuality."
Quote from Google Definition:
Homophobia is a term for a range of negative attitudes and feelings towards homosexuality and people identified or perceived as being homosexual. Definitions of the term refer variably to antipathy, contempt, prejudice, aversion, and irrational fear. ...
If you oppose it, yes you are homophobic. Opposing = negative feelings.
How can you say you oppose homosexuality and deny the fact that you are homophobic?
I'm not trying to insult you or anything, but honestly, tell me how that works.
"Also, even if I want to my view to seem less offending to homosexuals, it is impossible. There is a barrier that prevents me from learning how homosexuals are like without giving up my view."
"Remember I won't give into agreeing with homosexuality, but I am still willing to listen."
You're willing to listen to us basically waste our breathe because you intend to ignore our opinions since you aren't going to change yours?
Does that mean you refuse to change your views even a little? Some points I'd like to make:
-You can't convert to being gay
-Why don't you want to learn about them? What's so wrong with learning about why homosexuality exists and how it works?
-Human population is
far from decreasing. And it's definitely not because of homosexuality that it would decrease.
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My main question:
I understand that you don't want to speak out in fear of the gay/straight alliance or whatever, but why? Why are you against homosexuality in the first place?
Yeah I know what you're saying when you say people call you HOMOPHOBIC HOMOPHOBIC whenever you speak out against them but why would you do that?
If homosexuality isn't the cause of human population decline (lack of birth is the least of our problems right now), and that's basically the only reason I see in your very long post that you'd be against homosexuality...
It leads me to believe it's still your disgust and discomfort with a male-male or female-female relationship speaking.