Quote from Chillax;188023:
On the bright/not so bright side, this guild thread is getting plenty of bumps.
Btw, if you were to make that analogy, it would be more apt to say you are like Tamaki Suoh than Hattori Bisco. Quoting from the wiki, Tamaki Suoh is "The idiotic host king". Are you sure you would want to compare yourself with that person?
Hmm.. looks like another person has fallen victim to not reading a post properly. :/ Either that or you've never seen the series. Here, let me quote myself.
" Now keeping this in play, unlike what the manga portrays, we don't believe that image is everything in the world. we think personality matters more. so going against the manga's statements we decided to repeatedly remind people that despite us asking for it, we don't need it. anyone who wants to join can join as long as they fulfill everything else which was to have respect, kindness, activitym and to follow the rules the leader sets. "
Also, I and millions of other people love Tamaki very much. :/ So I'm not insulted by what you said but thanks for proving my point about people who don't know how to critique.
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Quote from Ravendor:
Oh, I ought to totally camp next to your guild stone and peacefully protest the rampant sexism in this guild, for the sake of every mabi gentleman who might get sucked in and objectified.
Keep it up guys. Another flamer. :/ So tell me sir, have you read the thread properly or did you just read the first few post or see Edelyn's name on it and decided to say that? I'm sure you did. But, I'm gonna stay calm. And merely say that in my posts here I have proven already that the group is not sexists. And the male members are treated just as well as the female members in the guild. In the times where I've specified problems with drooling men, I've ALSO specified problems with drooling women. In each thing I've said I've always brought the bad from both sides. So if you still feel offended by that then I'm sorry that you want to waste your life by camping next to a guild stone and protesting like a crazy drunkard. But there's nothing I can do about that.
Some people have already given up flaming cuz they finally understood the guild's meanings and statements. Now you guys are just pouting about being wrong. very nice, but like Chillax has stated, it's only helping us get more members. And it's working out pretty well. So continue to pout. When you come up with any reasonable and intelligent questions and statements to give to me, I;ll be more than glad to evaluate and answer them in the proper manner.
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Quote from Adelynn:
I bring up what I'm supposed to justify what I'm saying. Have you realized? this conversation is no longer about the guild's statements.
but now you're just giving yourself an excuse to not regret saying the things you've said and causing needless harassment to the guild.
I never harassed anyone, in-game or otherwise. In fact, I am the one who got called names.
The following are quotes from the Nexon thread in which you refer to everyone posting there, or me specifically.
^^ Hmm I'm trying not to blow a fuse here but i'm sure all of you who posted here are idiots.
8) If you have read the original post properly instead of being a bag of troll dung
therefore, if you decide to flame this post like a mentally deficient person instead of reading the thread properly, congrats on having a mind made of dung. congrats. : )
Yes. Trolls and idiots. :/
You guys are just being ridiculous. You have the nerve to be rude in the posts you make and turn people away from joining for something as small as a majority of the guild being female? What? That's just too much/. Way too much.
(and yet you call me a bag of troll dung ,mentally deficient, with a mind made of dung), and I know you're referring to me because :
For my very final and last statement: it would be a reply to this person in this thread. please scroll all the way down to read Adelynn's post and then read my post. That's my last and final statement to all of you in this thread.
there is nothing wrong with my reason. my reason was based off a very popular anime and manga called Ouran High school host club.
The ever so loved Tamaki Suoh went out on a journey through the school to look for attractive people to be part of his host club.
Did anyone flame Hattori Bisco about making a manga about a man who wants to make a school club filled with ONLY attractive men?
Did you happen to notice that Host Club is actually a self-satire that parodies how stereotypical bishounen are, and how it also pokes fun at fan girls? You're basing your guild on something you're not grasping.
No. To the contrary, they loved it. So there is no problem here besides that fact that you don't want to apologize.
I don't apologize to people that call me dung-head, flaming troll and don't apologize for it.
Or are you going to flame every single person who even mentions Hattori Bisco's name. :/
Why? I happen to like Ouran. Obviously, for very different reasons than you.
All you have to do is apologize and say "I'm sorry I misunderstood." There's no need for you to keep repeating your complaints so that way your actions can be justified when really, flaming someone's post / thread like you guys did was a terrible thing to do. You went beyond critiquing. You just insulted people and caused mischief instead.
I misunderstood nothing. You have admitted, multiple times, that you made thinks unclear. In addition, you insulted me based on my opinions that were/are as such because of your lack of clarity. In addition, you're accusing me without providing proof. Point to a legitimate insult that I've made. A direct, unedited quote. Show me exactly when I insulted you, since you claim I've done it multiple times.
The members love the guild the way it is.
This point does not benefit you, and in fact, makes things more disturbing.
My reason is simple. There's nothing else to it. If you have a problem with it STILL. Then unconciously, you're badmouthing every person who reads hattori bisco's books including the artist herself and people who have made similar manga.
I'm not the one badmouthing here. Furthermore, I never even insulted the artist's work. Like I already said, I enjoy the series. This has nothing to do with the series. It has to do with the fact that it has been misinterpreted, and also with the fact that your requirements come across as biased. If this weren't the case, then people wouldn't be so offended in the first place. If certain things weren't in that post, there would be no issue in the first place. It is you who refuses to acknowledge that in addition to offending people with your first post, you've also insulted them.
Now keeping this in play, unlike what the manga portrays, we don't believe that image is everything in the world. we think personality matters more. so going against the manga's statements we decided to repeatedly remind people that despite us asking for it, we don't need it. anyone who wants to join can join as long as they fulfill everything else which was to have respect, kindness, activitym and to follow the rules the leader sets.
Actually, if you'd look between the lines, you'd notice that the manga's message IS that personality matters. Furthermore, if it is just about personality, then looks shouldn't even be mentioned, not even once. This is, for starters, one of the main reasons things got this far in the first place, because you mentioned looks, people took issue with it, and even though you said it wasn't needed, it came back as something important in later requirements.
And you, Edelyn, please give up and stop trying. I don't know you personally so I'm not gonna say anything towards you directly.
It's "Adelynn", and it's already to late. Since you insulted "everyone who posted" in the other thread (and I posted in that thread), that means I have already been insulted.
Give up trying? I suppose that would be a great idea if this didn't bother me as much as it did.
But please calm down and give it a rest. No one is pointing you out as a bad guy but it's time to just end the fighting here.
Is that why I was called a flamer, dung-brained troll?
The men in this guild are treated just as special as women in the guild are and they all love it very much.
Again, make this clear FROM THE BEGINNING and remove the parts that people besides myself disagree with. If you re-read this thread, and the other thread (it's locked but you can still read it), you'll notice that everyone besides you and your guildie agree with me. There are GLARING, PAINFUL issues in the first post. If they hadn't been there in the first place, or if you'd admitted how badly they came across, things wouldn't have reached this point.
Unless you're actually a man and can say otherwise, you really shouldnt keep dragging this idea of "us bringing down the male population of mabi" with you.
You think men didn't post in either of these threads? I'm pretty sure they did. Scar, who disagrees with you, and agrees with me, is a male. I don't know most other people so I won't make statements for them.
Furthermore, just because I'm not a man, doesn't mean I shouldn't go out of my way to support equality. I'm not gay, but I think that biases against them are wrong, and I'm going to speak up for their rights too. The same applies to any clearly-defined group of people, like men. Let's say you have an African-American friend, and that you're not black, and someone calls her names because she's black. Would you really be okay with not saying anything, just because you're (hypothetically) not black?
have you even paid attention to the fact that in all my posts i've stated not only the bad in men but the bad in "women" as well. and i stated how both sides can be victimized.
While you claim to have done this, it seems to be added as more of an afterthought because someone (me) pointed it out to you elsewhere, and bias towards males are still more prominent. I'm not the only one who sees this. Plenty of other people see it too.
again, your eyes are glued to one part. please try to accept and understand everything PROPERLY before you say something.
Nope. I'm quoting just so I can show you I'm going piece by piece. This statement also implies that I'm incapable of understanding things, which is another reason I am still posting. I feel like my intelligence has been repeatedly insulted.
I read Hattori Bisco's manga. Even though Tamaki was a bit overly specific about how men should look like and how they should be like and he created his own ideal image based off women's fantasies; I don't believe that Hattori Bisco, her team, and her manga & fans are sexist.
Of course they're not, because it's a satire.
So please calm down and take the things I've said into consideration before you post further.
Seeing as how you raged on the Nexon forums and called people names when I hadn't even insulted anyone, I'm inclined to think that throughout most of this, I have been the calmer one, and have a reason to be.
Your flaming of our threads is no excuse even if you did misunderstand. If you didn't understand something, you're not supposed to jump the gun and INSULT the person and ruin pages of the person's thread and even cause others who see such words to misunderstand as well and follow the crowd:
Again, I wasn't even flaming. I misunderstood nothing. I insulted no one. If people want to be bad people of their own accord, it's not my fault. Don't assume that people jumped the gun because I said something. Everyone has their own opinion and it agrees with mine by pure coincidence. In addition, I wasn't the first one to post. People who share my opinion posted before me.
thus causing players to go too far and insult other players. please calm down. and rethink your actions. that's all i ask. thank you.
There is no way I can understand your side when you claim things, but your actions suggest other things. You assume I misunderstand your words, and yet almost everyone agrees with me. You're the one that called people names, but you're telling ME to calm down. I've read, re-read ,and re-read your posts again. Don't tell me I'm not understanding when you accuse me of doing something I haven't even done.
hmm.. if I'm a drug head, it makes me ponder what you are. :/
First off, I didn't point names out about stalking people online. Yet another mistake again from not reading properly. sigh.. :/
I never said you were the one who went out and stalked/bothered the members.
But you DID flame. And like what's happening now, your "followers" happen to think that no matter what you say is right and out of friendship, when they run out of things to say they switch to insults and threats. You are a flame starter. :/
As for my rant on nexon forums, I have the right to be upset and call names.
I post a thread there and instead of being asked to further evaluate what I meant so that you can understand/ or to critique what I've said: you throw insults at me and the guild. And not just one post of it, you trigger and encourage other people to come to the thread and ruin pages' worth of it.
So, am I supposed to make a happy face and explain to you all about the post without being hurt by such comments? Didn't you say those insults on purpose to hurt the person who wrote them? To ridicule them? To help other grow some kind of hatred for them? Are you that immature to understand that what you do has consequences? Are you that immature to understand that this is a public forum and you're supposed to have the proper etiquette when talking to others?
If you don't understand then my apologies, but I'm not THAT kind of a person to stand like a wall and let you and other people dish insults at me. You throw insults at me, I'm not afraid to throw insults back.
You critique my post or ask a question or give an opinion in the proper manner, then I will answer formally.
You go overboard and start calling people a druggie when you don't even know them, I can go the extra leap and call you something worse even if I don't know you.
Once you call me something, I've earned the right to call you something back and defend myself.
So yes, you definitely do deserve to apologize to me for flaming my thread with insults and encouraging your friends to do the same instead of asking me about the guild and asking me to explain myself.
Don't get me wrong. Not everyone who posted here did it out of cruelty. Like Kuyukly for example. I feel he was wrong to jump the gun but from his posts I can understand his aim to just learn more info and try to understand what I meant. And along the way he's getting there and we keep talking until we work out a mutual understanding.
As a community board members, you're supposed to have the mind to do the same. And you don't. So then why are you posting here? The only other reason is that you're posting here just to call other people names. Well, madame, I'm not going to take that from you. :/
If you don't want to apologize then fine, but don't make me have to bring an admin here to calm you down for needlessly flaming posts.
Again, if you have questions then fine. But if you want to ignore everything I say and make this conversation drag on for more than it needs to then I think
you need to take something called a "chill pill". :/
Next.
Quote from Scar:
This is true, I completely agree with Adelynn. I support what she is saying 100%, That is exactly how I feel about it.
I *AM* Offended by this guild, A few things were O.K, But how Sexist and Degrading to men whether Online or not, this post was, Is truly Disgusting.
Clarify "why" it's sexist, degrading to men, and disgusting?
Again, this is not critiquing.
You have nothing to prove your statement or opinion, you're just following someone else's misunderstanding.
You say it's degrading to men, but how? What did I "make" them do?
Did you see me force them into wearing tutus and dancing ballet?
Did you see me lock them up in a dungeon and strip them naked while beating them with a stick?
And most of all, where in this thread do you see me talk bad about a man and "not" bad about a woman in the same context. I'm very intrigued to see you find some piece of solid evidence saying that this guild is sexist when the requirement number 5 has nothing to do with sexism. Actually, we wouldn't ask for it if we hated men in the first place. It kinda contradicts itself doesn't it?
And then there's also the fact that I nullified number 5 saying that we care more about how you treat others and your personality than how you look like.
And a very important fact you either seemed to have ignored or just plain didn't read was that I also stated that it's very common for women in mabi to use and abuse men. That it's common place for them to trick a person into spending nx and gold on them to buy them fancy dresses only to dump them afterward.
So after saying this about "many" of the women in mabi, are you not going to call me anti-feminist? Are you not gonna call me someone who's sexist against both races?
Really, I want you to tell me why you still feel that way about the guild even after understanding what I've said.
Give me and everyone reading this, a good reason why you have to feel offended after understand what I've said here.
And keep in mind that if you even try to say that what I've said here was not in my starting post, I will have to requote my starting post multiple times.
No.
Actually let me quote.
So that way you can prove to everyone that I'm sexist to both men and women apparently, since you've done the easy deed of only quoting what you wanted to instead of giving all the facts; let me quote what I've said about the female population so they can complain to me too. :/
All this is from the starting post that you find "sexist" and disgusting towards the male population. If you want to check if I'm lying or not, just copy some of this, go to first page and click ctrl + f
"
must treat people fairly. we don’t allow racist players, gender-discriminate players (meaning you look down on women /
men), and so on. "
" You should know by now that just because you see a pretty girl it doesn't mean she's that thin with blue silver hair and drawings on her face.
And just because a guy is the tallest person in the game with a weird face and never smiles unless he types in a emote doesn't mean he's the HULK in real life and smashes trees. How old are you that someone has to explain this to you? " <- this points out the stupidity of some of BOTH the men and the women of this game.
" our requirement that asked for good looking male characters (not players cuz we dun care how u look like in real life) is something meant to decorate the guild rlly. :/
if you are the type to fall for men, no not even a man, but a digital male character just because of the way it looks - " & " and decide in real life that you wanna be together and you wanna waste nearly all your gold on a marriage that might not even happen (yeah, people invite u to a marriage and it doesnt happen. :/) then that's your problem. " <- yet another set of sentences that points out the stupid ones of the female population.
So there. :/ Now, lemme guess what you did. You probably read all the way up to the 5th requirement, scrolled down to read the insults Edelyn made, and then decided to say " I think you're sexist against the entire male population ". Right.
When I wrote this ad, I didn't write it thinking that I was talking to pre schoolers. I wrote it expecting that you could clearly understand that
1 - if we hated men we wouldnt ask them to join in the first place. :/
2 - if we felt peoples' looks were first priority, we wouldn't accept male members without seeing them face to face in game first (which we have not seen them at all until maybe this upcoming weekend).
3 - sticking with number 2, we wouldn't have nullified number 5 at all and tell them that they could skip it cuz we didn't care.
4 - we would be completely biased and not say anything bad about women at all. we would've said for each situation that it was the men's fault and we couldn't care less about what female members we get because we think all of them are better than you. :/ yet, as I've shown in all my quotes AND my posts in these thread, I've always criticized BOTH parties.
So now, you and Ravendor, and all the other men who feel all bad and sad inside. Please tell me what's wrong. :c Don't worry. I don't bite.
Come on. Tell me why you feel so bad. Are you really that sensitive? But the girls are handling their insults just fine.
As a matter of fact, people have hardly even noticed them in this thread. :/
Again, all of you guys. Please control yourselves and stop flaming the thread. Not ALL of you are flaming, but too many of you are. And you really shouldn't be. :/ If there is critique you wanna give, give it. There's no need for insults.
Please give proper proof and when I say proper I mean proof to say that I'm wrong. Not proof to give me just so I can give you another proof and say "why did you even bother writing this?"