Creating An Elf

• Jando wrote on 2010-10-18 00:20
  So I'm doing a Dungeon firing off my awesome ranged skills and thought...I would love to do this as an elf. So depending on NX I will create one, what I would like is feedback on this skill build.
  
  First to rank
  WM to r5
  Refine to r2 fails completed
  Critical r1 (on-going)
  
  Then in order:
  Ranged Attack r9
  Magnum to r5
  Ranged to r1
  Mirrage to r5
  Magnum to r1
  Mirrage to r1
  
  Once those 3 skills are maxed I'm thinking Crash shot to r9/r5 and Final Shot to r9/r5
  
  I'm aiming for 70ap/rebirth which will give 420ap to use.
  
  Anything better I could do?
  
  Also need help on what Ego to choose. Its either out of a Ring bow and a Leather Long Bow. I'm thinking llb.
  
  As a goal, I would like the best build to do g9-12 in Int Mode. Also be getting Trans asap so what would be the best to rank first?
• abc33kr wrote on 2010-10-18 00:37
  What skill will you use to get 70 ap per rb?
  
  An elf with barely any range capabilities sounds weak to me.
• EndlessDreams wrote on 2010-10-18 00:37
  Elves don't really WM all that much if you just want to shoot range with your elf. Of course having r1/r5/r9 WM helps more than not having it though.
  
  You should probably get Range Attack to r9 before anything else to give you an attack.
• Shiko wrote on 2010-10-18 00:54
  Rank Magnum to R1 before anything. It won't affect your ability to do refine since it only adds +18 dex and you'll be able to 1hit the Black tailed mongoose in Iria if you have some decent equipment and a upgraded bow,then follow what you have up there.
• Piko wrote on 2010-10-18 00:59

  Quote from abc33kr;186720:

  What skill will you use to get 70 ap per rb?
  
  An elf with barely any range capabilities sounds weak to me.

  
  
  Implying my melee elf is weak.
• Shirayuki wrote on 2010-10-18 01:03
  If you have money, get an ego as soon as you begin and just feed it whenever you can. Finish Refine alongside Magnum, and then move onto Production Mastery. Then get R9/5/1 WM if you really want to, and then get R1 Range. After that, it doesn't really matter because Taming is pretty easy to do now anyway.
  
  I left my elf at R9 WM and its ~450 total atm. Grinding is easy with just Magnum.
• abc33kr wrote on 2010-10-18 01:05

  Quote from Pikablu;186747:

  Implying my melee elf is weak.

  
  
  come on how will an elf get ap if his/her only useable skill is windmill, which is in progress to rank to r5.
  no smash, no combat mastery, no crit. That setting would sawk even for humans or giants.
• Piko wrote on 2010-10-18 01:14
  Well, may as well also apply some tips.
  
  If you're not planning on branching into melee with your elf (which is rarely done) Rank 9 Windmill is a fine place to stop. You can later rank Combat Mastery for a little bit of dex as well as more max HP.
  
  Personally I would get a Long Leather Bow unless you have the Gold or Leftover NX to repair a Ring Bow. LLBs are pretty much standard ego material and are extremely easy to manage (Hell, all you have to do for repairs is jump into my method and shoot at zombies with a prof elf).
  
  

  Quote from abc33kr;186755:

  come on how will an elf get ap if his/her only useable skill is windmill, which is in progress to rank to r5.
  no smash, no combat mastery, no crit. That setting would sawk even for humans or giants.

  
  
  What the hell are you talking about? My elf has Rank 1 Windmill, Rank 1 Smash, Rank 1 Combat Mastery and Rank 2 Critical Hit (Nearing Rank 1). I can carry my own weight in Advanced Shadow Missions easily and most of the time I can reach level 70 before rebirthing if I'm not SUPER LAZY. You're basically implying that the only skill a melee elf would rank is windmill, which is severely overrated on Humans and Giants and isn't the main attraction for a melee elf. Where the hell do you get your knowledge for that anyway?
• Richard wrote on 2010-10-18 01:51

  Quote from Pikablu;186770:

  What the hell are you talking about? My elf has Rank 1 Windmill, Rank 1 Smash, Rank 1 Combat Mastery and Rank 2 Critical Hit (Nearing Rank 1). I can carry my own weight in Advanced Shadow Missions easily and most of the time I can reach level 70 before rebirthing if I'm not SUPER LAZY. You're basically implying that the only skill a melee elf would rank is windmill, which is severely overrated on Humans and Giants and isn't the main attraction for a melee elf. Where the hell do you get your knowledge for that anyway?

  
  
  Could you get 70 AP per rebirth when you first made the character? That's what he's trying to say.
• Q wrote on 2010-10-18 02:10

  Quote from abc33kr;186720:

  What skill will you use to get 70 ap per rb?
  
  An elf with barely any range capabilities sounds weak to me.

  
  
  my alch/mage elf isnt weak :mad:
  
  

  Quote from Richard;186818:

  Could you get 70 AP per rebirth when you first made the character? That's what he's trying to say.

  
  
  well could YOU get 70 ap per rebirth when you made your elf and used range?
  
  OT: well wouldn't crash shot to 9 be more efficient after you finish r5 magnum and r1 range for its usefullness owo? idk just my opinion. mirage missle isn't that useful and seems to be more efficient only when killing bosses owo;;
• abc33kr wrote on 2010-10-18 02:12

  Quote from Pikablu;186770:

  What the hell are you talking about? My elf has Rank 1 Windmill, Rank 1 Smash, Rank 1 Combat Mastery and Rank 2 Critical Hit (Nearing Rank 1). I can carry my own weight in Advanced Shadow Missions easily and most of the time I can reach level 70 before rebirthing if I'm not SUPER LAZY. You're basically implying that the only skill a melee elf would rank is windmill, which is severely overrated on Humans and Giants and isn't the main attraction for a melee elf. Where the hell do you get your knowledge for that anyway?

  
  
  His build basically says that he is going to get windmill to r5 before training cm or smash. With only wm, its pretty tough to get 70 ap per rb.
• Piko wrote on 2010-10-18 02:14

  Quote from abc33kr;186843:

  His build basically says that he is going to get windmill to r5 before training cm or smash. With only wm, its pretty tough to get 70 ap per rb.

  
  
  Implying I was talking about his build for melee elves.
• abc33kr wrote on 2010-10-18 02:19

  Quote from Pikablu;186846:

  Implying I was talking about his build for melee elves.

  
  
  This thread is about Jando's future elf, not you.
  
  Also, you are not allowed to take over this thread even if you are gary oak cuz this is not bean rua.
• Shirayuki wrote on 2010-10-18 03:23

  Quote from yoshii;186841:

  well could YOU get 70 ap per rebirth when you made your elf and used range?

  
  
  I used to get 65 weekly as soon as I made my elf. Wasn't too hard with mount in deadly vs. Black Tail Mongooses. Range is what elves are meant for. derp.
• Piko wrote on 2010-10-18 09:11

  Quote from abc33kr;186855:

  This thread is about Jando's future elf, not you.
  
  Also, you are not allowed to take over this thread even if you are gary oak cuz this is not bean rua.

  
  
  Implying I was hijacking when I was still trying to give advice for his elf when you kept on assuming the standard for a melee elf. You didn't imply you were talking about his elf. You were implying about an elf, in other words elves in general. May I quote you on that? :
  
  

  Quote from abc33kr;186755:

  come on how will an elf get ap if his/her only useable skill is windmill, which is in progress to rank to r5.
  no smash, no combat mastery, no crit. That setting would sawk even for humans or giants.

  
  
  If this pointless arguing is going to keep going on, which isn't preferable, it would be smart to get back on topic rather than repeatedly trying to prove me wrong and actually give this guy some more advice.
  
  In addition to what I said earlier, I'd like to add on. Don't rank Windmill first, since that will probably leave you with a hard time. As an elf, your melee attacks pretty much start weak, so you would need to rank Combat Mastery to support Windmill damage which can be done later. Besides, if you really need Windmill in your build it can be achieved later on if you can get your hands on -CP equipment.
  
  Of course it is still a good idea to start ranking Refine first. Elves get dex extremely quickly. Hell, my elf doesn't have any major dex related skills besides Rank 1 Production Mastery and it has around 100 base dex at level 1. As soon as you complete your refine training, immediately attempt rank 1 Production Mastery or Handicraft. Handicraft since if you have high rank Production Mastery it will make some ranks harder to complete and Production Mastery since it will give you a huge boost to your Stamina Pool and make ranking other life skills easy.
  
  As for other skills, Ranged Attack and Magnum Shot first before other Ranged Skills. Ranged Attack just adds on to your damage and Magnum Shot makes you a One-Hit Kill Machine. Final Shot, Mirage Missile, and Crash Shot can wait because they aren't mandatory skills to use in combat, and the bare necessity that you would require is mainly Ranged Attack and Magnum Shot.
  
  Once you get transformation skills, you should rank your Fury of Connous first. It increases your damage and stamina, and that's always a plus. You're free to stop at rank 2 if you prefer to keep looks or rank 1 if you really want that little bit of extra boosts. After that immediately rank up your Sharpness of Connous. That adds on to your Dex, Balance, and Critical Rate in Transformation. The rest is up to you really.