so, mabination, i have a dilemma.

• Cide wrote on 2010-10-24 04:04
  i detest ranking support shot. 8( and will have enough AP with my saved AP i was hoarding for SS to rank crash shot (which i've had a lot of fun playing with, even at rN) to 6 this rebirth, and 5 next rebirth.
  
  i'm currently rank 6 support shot, so should i drop support shot for now and go on to rank crash shot? or do i just slosh through grinding support shot to 1 for a better dex:ap ratio? for me, crash shot has far more practical use and i'm only ranking support shot for dex.
  
  other questions:
  
  1) those of you with a decently ranked CS -- how is it at r5? r1 will have to wait a while for me, but if it's not worth actively using at r5, i should probably stick with support shot.
  2) is the training more or less of a pain than SS?
• Mentosftw wrote on 2010-10-24 04:13
  Well if you rank support shot which has a greater Ap to Dex ratio, your damage efficiency will be overall greater. On the other hand, crash shot takes one of the most AP of all skills to rank which can be a real pain to get back and may be discouraging when you have less ap.
• Coy wrote on 2010-10-24 04:23

  Quote from Mentosftw;192414:

  Well if you rank support shot which has a greater Ap to Dex ratio, your damage efficiency will be overall greater. On the other hand, crash shot takes one of the most AP of all skills to rank which can be a real pain to get back and may be discouraging when you have less ap.

  
  
  aka rewording what she just said
• EndlessDreams wrote on 2010-10-24 04:31
  Crash Shot is very overrated. I don't know who is it going around, and telling people it is overpowered. I still haven't found a use for it at r5, and with well over 400 dex. That being said, I supposed it has more uses than Support Shot since you can use it in solo better than Support Shot.
  
  Both takes a very long time to raise some skill rank though.
• Jando wrote on 2010-10-24 04:36
  r5 Crash is a good spot to leave it at to then attend to other skills. R1 Crash is pretty op though if you tell me. Here look:
  
  

  Quote from KEL331;191756:

  Not sure if this is going to help but
  These are few screenshots of CS testing :/
  
  The place is Enemy Behind(Advanced)
  dmg is 171 - 314, crt 137.6%
  r1 Crash Shot, r1 Critical Hit
  
  

  [Image: http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/9135/cstest.jpg]

  
  
  Overpowered much? Don't see any other skills capable of doing that.
• Yogurticecream wrote on 2010-10-24 04:38
  Crash shot is not a solo type attack.
  It works well in parties with good coordination, otherwise you are really screwed.
  (It's overrated in the same way as spark to be honest.)
  
  I'd say to keep ranking support shot first and then see what else goes. Support short is a real pain for requirements from what I heard.
• Mentosftw wrote on 2010-10-24 04:39
  You DO get a good amount of dex from it especially if you've already maxed every single ranged skill out. Plus, rank 1 crash shot is more effective fighting a group of monsters where normal ranged, ar, mirage or super mega turkey shot would bacially take a much longer time. My friend has base dex starting with a 3 in the third digit and crash shot (and eventually support shot) is the only way for him to go and he's already rank 5+.
• Cide wrote on 2010-10-24 04:39

  Quote from Jando;192431:

  r5 Crash is a good spot to leave it at to then attend to other skills. R1 Crash is pretty op though if you tell me. Here look:
  
  
  
  Overpowered much? Don't see any other skills capable of doing that.

  
  
  that is gorgeous and even though r5 will not produce results quite as glorious, it is certainly swaying me in the direction of taking crash shot up.
• Mentosftw wrote on 2010-10-24 04:41
  So bacically get this first then support shot to add a bit more damage along the way.
• EndlessDreams wrote on 2010-10-24 04:44

  Quote from Jando;192431:

  r5 Crash is a good spot to leave it at to then attend to other skills. R1 Crash is pretty op though if you tell me. Here look:
  
  
  
  Overpowered much? Don't see any other skills capable of doing that.

  
  
  I saw that, and I was vastly more disappointed then before I saw those pictures. His stats is 300+ max damage with a bow, and he can only deal that much with r1 Crash Shot on Enemy Behind Advance.
  
  WM seem to consistently deal more damage though, but you do put yourself more in danger than Crash Shot. Crash Shot is a decent skill, not really overpowered skill at all. At least, not as overpowered as some of you put it out to be.
• Jando wrote on 2010-10-24 05:14

  Quote from EndlessDreams;192442:

  I saw that, and I was vastly more disappointed then before I saw those pictures. His stats is 300+ max damage with a bow, and he can only deal that much with r1 Crash Shot on Enemy Behind Advance.
  
  WM seem to consistently deal more damage though, but you do put yourself more in danger than Crash Shot. Crash Shot is a decent skill, not really overpowered skill at all. At least, not as overpowered as some of you put it out to be.

  
  
  Crash Shot
  - Requires only 30% Crit.
  - Only causes Aggro to the initial target.
  - Has a 51% Crit rate on the initial target when theres atleast 1 mob caught in the splash (Intial shot and explosion are 2 separate attacks means 2 times to crit in 1 attack).
  
  Thats pretty op when you include the fact that its a ranged skill and how is it not safe? Ego LLB, 2500 range, Opener. It's only suicide when you use when you've aggro'd a bunch of monsters and if you've only aggro'd one a pet can easily distract it long enough to be able to fire another crash off. But imo its more op to Humans then to Elves.
• EndlessDreams wrote on 2010-10-24 05:35

  Quote from Jando;192459:

  Crash Shot
  - Requires only 30% Crit.
  - Only causes Aggro to the initial target.
  - Has a 51% Crit rate on the initial target when theres atleast 1 mob caught in the splash (Intial shot and explosion are 2 separate attacks means 2 times to crit in 1 attack).
  
  Thats pretty op when you include the fact that its a ranged skill and how is it not safe? Ego LLB, 2500 range, Opener. It's only suicide when you use when you've aggro'd a bunch of monsters and if you've only aggro'd one a pet can easily distract it long enough to be able to fire another crash off. But imo its more op to Humans then to Elves.

  
  
  No need to explain to me what Crash Shot does. I been spamming it all day in/out on everything just to rank this skill.
  
  Read what I said before. I did say WM puts the person in danger more than Crash Shot. Ego LLB? That means you will have to sacrifice Ego Swords. That in itself is already a disadvantage if you use a lot of melee. Melee still have the most potential in this game for easy/most damage.
  
  It still takes 2 seconds to load, and a while to get that aim rate up. Before r5, the load times is really long. Also, being a range skill, you can also miss also. If monster ran away from the other mobs, and you end up shooting that one only, crash shot puts you into a really bad position.
• Jando wrote on 2010-10-24 06:06

  Quote from EndlessDreams;192470:

  No need to explain to me what Crash Shot does. I been spamming it all day in/out on everything just to rank this skill.
  
  Read what I said before. I did say WM puts the person in danger more than Crash Shot. Ego LLB? That means you will have to sacrifice Ego Swords. That in itself is already a disadvantage if you use a lot of melee. Melee still have the most potential in this game for easy/most damage.
  
  It still takes 2 seconds to load, and a while to get that aim rate up. Before r5, the load times is really long. Also, being a range skill, you can also miss also. If monster ran away from the other mobs, and you end up shooting that one only, crash shot puts you into a really bad position.

  
  
  Touche...but its still a great skill. And when your an Elf, why would you have an ego thats not a bow? And there are still plenty of other non-ego bows that still have great range.
• Phanterz wrote on 2010-10-24 14:20
  The damage is a bit disappointing compared to windmill, i have to say...
  Though the damage the intiial target receives kind of makes up for that.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2010-10-24 16:56
  Crash Shot is not a skill that can be used randomly during combat. You lead with Crash Shot and follow with the skill of your choice (to include Crash Shot).
  
  If you have any idea how to use the skill, the first shot should kill the initial target or at least stun it long enough to follow up (Crash Shot loads during it's own animation, which is something that Windmill can't do). The splashed targets will only naturally agro you.
  
  Crash Shot is worth the hype. However, it costs a massive amount of AP, sucks until r5 and is difficult to use.
  
  Have you guys seen this video? Methinks not.
  
  Crash Shot
  
  Humans, start switching your critical enchants for max damage enchants.