A Study On Secondary Weapons

• Chockeh wrote on 2010-10-24 23:47
  [FONT=Arial]What is a secondary weapon?
  A secondary weapon is an item that you bring into dungeons. They are not really a real weapon and is used mostly for their utility. Unlike your main weapon, there is a limit on how many times you can use one for each dungeon, depending on the difficulty of that dungeon (Normal mode, Hard mode or Hero mode). They are mainly used to stop bosses from moving and give you a chance to attack, but their is also other secondary weapons, like mine bombs, that are used to gather ores.
  
  Can you aim with it precisely?
  Yes, you can either use auto-mode or manual-mode. To use normal mode, you just have to tap on the hotkey you use for secondary weapon once, but to activate manual mode, you are going to have to hold the key for a bit. Another alternative is that when you go to advanced controls in options, you can uncheck a box named Always auto-aim secondary weapon.
  
  

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  Secondary weapons
  [COLOR=Blue]Spears
  

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  Normal Mode: 14 Spears
  Hard Mode: 7 Spears
  NPC Price: 1500g per stack (10)
  
  These are mainly used to stun enemies. Though the ammount of spears needed to stun an enemy varies by the size of the enemy. A polar bear would take a lot more spears to stun then a kobold chief. Unless you want to hit something specific, like the polar bear's red eye, this is best used on auto-throw near the enemy.
  
  

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  Chain Hooks
  

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  Normal Mode: 18 Chain hooks
  Hard Mode: 9 Chain hooks
  NPC price: 1500g per stack (10)
  
  Chain Hooks are another way to restrain the enemy. They are far more difficult to use then a spear because normally you would have to aim at the legs to restrain an enemy and some enemies are impossible to restrain (Greed for example, bastard don't have legs). Not only that, but some enemies are too big to restrain by yourself (Like the polar bear), so you need other people to help you. Not only that, but you cannot attack the enemy if you are holding on to them. I guess that some of the benefits are that you can bring a few more than spears into a dungeon, and that it does not take too much hooks to restrain an enemy (Unless the enemy is too big). It may also have longer stun time.
  
  

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  Small Bombs
  

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  Normal Mode: 14 small bombs
  Hard Mode: 7 small bombs
  NPC price: 2600g per stack (10)
  
  I haven't experienced much with this, but it does stun ennemies when it explodes at a certain radius from when it explodes. It explodes after around 8 seconds from being thrown. These are a bit more trickier to use because ennemies tend to move around a lot. These are not used to mine ores.
  
  

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  Mine Bombs
  

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  Normal Mode: 12 mine bombs
  Hard Mode: 6 mine bombs
  NPC price: 700g per stack (5)
  
  These sure as hell do not hurt or stun enemies. They are use to mine ores outta ore stacks. They may seem unimportant near the beginning, but you will find out how important they are when you start making equips at later levels. You can stun and do very little damage to enemies with these, but it is not as effective as small bombs.
  
  

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  Light of Plara
  Normal Mode:
  Hard Mode:
  NPC price: 3900 per stack (5)
  Requires rF Secondary Mastery (Currently Unattainable)
  
  Can't say much about these since you can't even use them yet.
  
  Harpoons
  
  NPC price: 180g per stack (36)
  
  These are used for fishing.
  
  
  This guide is still not complete. If the information is false, please do not hesitate to correct me.
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• Andy-Buddy wrote on 2010-10-24 23:57
  Are Spears and Bombs affected by Attack?
  
  It seems it might be, but is it for sure?
• Okitaru wrote on 2010-10-25 00:05

  Quote from YoungChockeh;193003:

  Should we craft them to save money?
  No, you'd probably be losing more money then making.

  
  
  ...
  Are you kidding me? crafting things like bombs saves you lots and lots of money, I've made 200 bombs off the money for 30.
  
  And Bombs are good for stunning and sequence breaking. With Ainle I can't tell you how much faster you can run with bombs, and with bosses how easy they become to hit if you bomb lock them.
• Ruquion wrote on 2010-10-25 01:39
  Not sure if I made any mistakes in my calculations. Iron ores are according to market price in West
  

  5 Wood Plank = 1200g = 240g ea
  5 Gunpowder = 1500g = 300g ea
  5 Metal Solvent = 600g = 120g ea
  Metal Clamp = 200 ea
  
  10 Spear = 300g + Iron Ore(~150g) + Wood Plank(240g) + Metal Clamp(200g) = ~890g
  10 Chain Hook = 300g + Iron Ore(~150g) + Metal Clamp(200g) = ~650g
  10 Small Bomb = 500g + Iron Ore(~150g) + Gunpowder(300g) = ~950g
  5 Mine Bomb = 100g + Iron Ore(~150) + Gunpowder(300g) + Metal Solvent(120g) = ~670g

• Chockeh wrote on 2010-10-25 01:52
  @Andy-Buddy: Can't tell for sure, but I doubt it does increase the damage significantly enough.
  @Chuukogu: I guess your right xD, thanks for table Ruquion.
  
  UPDATE: SOME SCREENSHOTS!
• Andy-Buddy wrote on 2010-10-25 03:49
  There is a setting in options, under advanced controls:
  
  It allows you to toggle the auto aim.
  
  1. Box is Checked:
  When checked tapping the secondary weapon button will fire, and holding it will bring you to the manual screen, where you can click to throw or press E to auto aim.
  
  2. Box is Empty:
  Pressing the Hotkey will bring you straight into the manual screen, where you can click to throw or auto aim with E.
• Chockeh wrote on 2010-10-25 19:34
  Ah really, thanks for the info.
• Kueh wrote on 2010-10-25 19:44

  Quote from YoungChockeh;193003:

  I guess that some of the benifits are that you can bring a few more then spears into dungeon, and that it does not take too much hooks to restrain an enemy (Unless the enemy is too big), but the cons overshadows the pros imo.

  
  Including bias isn't really a good way to write a study. Instead of stating your opinion that cons overshadow the pros, you should actually make a list of the cons and pros.
  

  Quote from YoungChockeh;193003:

  These sure as hell do not hurt or stun enemies. They are use to mine ores outta ore stacks. They may seem unimportant near the beginning, but you will find out how important they are when you start making equips at later levels.
  

  
  
  Mine bombs cause a very small amount of damage, and do stun.
• Time wrote on 2010-10-25 19:51
  I like this a lot, thanks for posting it!
• Chockeh wrote on 2010-10-25 19:58
  @Rain...
  
  What the, my mine bombs don't seem to damage :< or stun...
  MUST NEED MORE TESTING
• paladin wrote on 2010-10-25 20:03

  Quote from YoungChockeh;193784:

  @Rain...
  
  What the, my mine bombs don't seem to damage :< or stun...
  MUST NEED MORE TESTING

  
  
  Ive seen it happen
  It took like 3 solid mine hits thou
• Chockeh wrote on 2010-10-25 20:05
  Yay for fixing guide lots :D.
• Cucurbita wrote on 2010-10-25 20:25
  Mine Bombs do damage but a very insignificant amount. Not worth it.
  
  You can craft Fine Bombs and Fine Spears that do extra damage and stun rate, but you need a higher rank Secondary Weapon Proficiency to use it.
• Okitaru wrote on 2010-10-25 21:17

  Quote from Cucurbita;193815:

  Mine Bombs do damage but a very insignificant amount. Not worth it.
  
  You can craft Fine Bombs and Fine Spears that do extra damage and stun rate, but you need a higher rank Secondary Weapon Proficiency to use it.

  
  
  Which someone didn't add into the game yet, correct?
  It's like a lvl 18 skill too :<
• Deathonabun wrote on 2010-10-26 17:51
  The main advantage of chain hooks is that they stun an enemy for a good, long time. Even though it takes one or two party members out of commision, a few chain hooks can make a tough boss very trivial.
  
  Also, hi. I'm new here.