Third tier fire and electric magic?

• Cucurbita wrote on 2010-11-12 05:01

  Quote from Singleuseonly;212778:

  But can the bear wm?

  
  
  No but at least you run super fast :D
• Singleuseonly wrote on 2010-11-12 05:13

  Quote from Cucurbita;212789:

  No but at least you run super fast :D

  
  
  Aww...I was trying to imagine a wming bear.
• Zid wrote on 2010-11-12 05:41
  Fire - Like Flames of Hell, except it casts a burning effect on the target. Dmg depends on charge.
  
  Lightning - Like ball lightning. Has incredible stun time. Stun time based on charges.
• Cucurbita wrote on 2010-11-12 05:56
  devCAT has almost always gave monsters and npcs skills before humans got them.
  This includes fireball, thunder, teleport physics from final hit, magic shields, stomp, roar (for pets), heavy stander, mana reflector, natural shield, explosives (which later became bombs), meteors (which later became an item), chaincasting, life drain, poison (which became usable on items), firebreath (which is now flame burst) and whatever else I'm missing.
  
  This is either a case of laziness or some abuse of lore in which people learn from monsters.
  
  In any case, it is a safe bet that this means the fire and lightning spells are going to be similar to Flames of Hell and Rain of Thunder respectively.
  
  What I'd like to see more of in mabi is more uses of status effects and alignments.
• jking012 wrote on 2010-11-12 07:37
  for lightning ... maybe a pulsing nova or a Thunder totem that for say... 120 seconds lowers the "magic def" (yes MAGIC def, or ... be like support shot in a sense that creates an aoe of at rank 1 +150% magic dmg) of every monster in its range or maybe a indignation like spell that you must charge... click on ground like you would say with meteor... and it comes down in that small aoe area (so timing would be crucial, or stunning)
  
  for fire possibly...a DoT like the Druid's Fissure skill in diablo 2 that does say... 250-400 dmg every .5 sec's for 6 seconds? idk just go with it?
  
  another idea i came up with is say.... fire is usually a element often attributed to str yes? how about a passive str buff with fire... and 50% fire immunity with +25-+150 str rank F-1
• qaccy wrote on 2010-11-12 23:10

  Quote from Cucurbita;212862:

  devCAT has almost always gave monsters and npcs skills before humans got them.
  This includes fireball, thunder, teleport physics from final hit, magic shields, stomp, roar (for pets), heavy stander, mana reflector, natural shield, explosives (which later became bombs), meteors (which later became an item), chaincasting, life drain, poison (which became usable on items), firebreath (which is now flame burst) and whatever else I'm missing.

  
  
  Wait...huh? First monsters I remember seeing with Fireball were Ghosts, and the Scary Library came out the same time as Fireball was released.
  
  Thunder's used by...off the top of my head, Blue Ghosts and Giant Lightning Sprites, neither of which were available when Thunder came out (actually, maybe Peaca became available with the same patch, I forget).
  
  Teleport: Yeah, enemies got that first, but as an active skill that seems pretty overpowered for players anyway. Same with universal chaincasting.
  
  Magic shields: AFAIK, hobgoblins are the only enemies that use them and the skills have been available since Courcle was released.
  
  Stomp: Winmill's better. Oops, I typo'd!
  
  Roar: No idea what skill this is. The thing Giant Lions use? That'd be kinda...weird for players to have, wouldn't it?
  
  PDs: Humans are capable of more complex battle tactics than AI, so it follows that the baddies get advantages here and there to counter that. For players, combat revolves around not being hit instead.
  
  Explosives: How many enemies could self-destruct before bombs were available? The earliest exploding enemies were Skeleton Squads and Lost Sahagins (screw Nexon's translation) which came out muuuuuuuch later than bombs did.
  
  Meteors: This is limited to Red Dragons, right? This one does fall right in line with your "lore --> skill" theory though because you have to beat a Red Dragon to be able to use it yourself (G9 final excluded).
  
  Poison: Ehhh, I don't get this one. It's not really a skill, it's a status effect. Couldn't potion makers craft this fairly early on if they got high enough?
  
  Life drain: Fits well as an alchemy skill, but since alchemy took a while to be developed...this one makes sense.
  
  Fire breath: What uses this? Red Dragon again? IMO, dragons should be allowed to have cool skills. :(
  
  Anyway...for reference, we still don't have petrification, advanced heavy stander, or massive mouth lasers. Also, I don't think there's any mobs with mana shield, transformations (or associated skills), Blaze, Healing, Crash Shot, Mirage Missle, or most Alchemy skills. D:
• abc33kr wrote on 2010-11-12 23:21

  Quote from qaccy;213349:

  advanced heavy stander

  
  
  Wind breaker, Awakening of Light (partially), and Wings of Eclipse.
  
  But you have a good point there.
• Xemnas wrote on 2010-11-13 01:18
  Don't forget we'll never ever ever get the most OP skill of all that's so terrible only 1 monster in the whole game has it.
  
  Bewilder - Mabinogi World Wiki
• Mentosftw wrote on 2010-11-13 02:12
  -.- 2nd tier melee plox....
• Fracture wrote on 2010-11-13 02:37
  Rather than have 3rd tier Fire magic be offensive, like both other fire spells, have it be defensive. Casts, from the Trinity staff, a ring of flame that surrounds your character for as long as you keep it up or your mana lasts. Moderate MP drain from the fire (0MP cancels the skill, MP pots not useable for it's duration) slow HP drain from your proximity to all the heat (0HP will not cancel the skill, HP pots not useable) and fast SP drain from spinning the staff (0SP will cancel the skill, SP pots are useable).
  
  In exchange, however, for raping your stats, it provides a barrier that is roughly equivalent from rF-6, 5-2, and 1, to the windmill range at those ranks. It turns aside fire-based magic, causing (with a rank based percentile probability) it to hit a random nearby target instead. Ice magic and range are canceled, and lightning magic suffers reduced damage and will act like it has hit a lightning magic shield.
  
  It will also stunlock, dealing low-mediocre damage, rank dependent, to any creature that walks into the ring. Friend or foe. Any characters inside the ring, however, are protected by you, though they will also suffer HP drain and be unable to attack anything outside the circle (except, to an extent, with lightning magic.)
  
  
  Might add more later, it's totally OP but I can dream.
  
  
  

  Quote from qaccy;213349:

  
  Anyway...for reference, we still don't have petrification, advanced heavy stander, or massive mouth lasers. Also, I don't think there's any mobs with mana shield, transformations (or associated skills), Blaze, Healing, Crash Shot, Mirage Missle, or most Alchemy skills. D:

  
  
  There should be a Rogue Milletian monster or something. Can have any skills we do, can summon pets, and has extremely advanced AI.
• Singleuseonly wrote on 2010-11-13 02:44
  Mark of Ignition: The character loads a transparent-ish fireball and becomes immobile (until the fireball is shot), the fireball has a huge AoE radius but does not do any damage and applies the status "mark of ignition". When the spell is casted again with 1+ targets marked, it has a 0.1 sec load time and when executed, the character snaps his/her fingers and the marked targets are ignited with flames from hell. The flames do DoT damage based on the targets' current health and cripples their atk and move speed.
• soheikitsune wrote on 2010-11-13 02:56

  Quote from qaccy;213349:

  Healing, Mirage Missle, or most Alchemy skills. D:

  
  
  Healing is white succubus skill.
  
  Mirage missile I believe is one of the horsemen in longa, idk though.
  
  Most alchemy skills are emulated by the Corrupt and Shadow Alchemists of g9-12.
• gentrone wrote on 2010-11-13 04:25

  Quote from Fracture;213519:

  Rather than have 3rd tier Fire magic be offensive, like both other fire spells, have it be defensive. Casts, from the Trinity staff, a ring of flame that surrounds your character for as long as you keep it up or your mana lasts. Moderate MP drain from the fire (0MP cancels the skill, MP pots not useable for it's duration) slow HP drain from your proximity to all the heat (0HP will not cancel the skill, HP pots not useable) and fast SP drain from spinning the staff (0SP will cancel the skill, SP pots are useable).
  
  In exchange, however, for raping your stats, it provides a barrier that is roughly equivalent from rF-6, 5-2, and 1, to the windmill range at those ranks. It turns aside fire-based magic, causing (with a rank based percentile probability) it to hit a random nearby target instead. Ice magic and range are canceled, and lightning magic suffers reduced damage and will act like it has hit a lightning magic shield.
  
  It will also stunlock, dealing low-mediocre damage, rank dependent, to any creature that walks into the ring. Friend or foe. Any characters inside the ring, however, are protected by you, though they will also suffer HP drain and be unable to attack anything outside the circle (except, to an extent, with lightning magic.)
  
  
  Might add more later, it's totally OP but I can dream.
  
  
  
  
  There should be a Rogue Milletian monster or something. Can have any skills we do, can summon pets, and has extremely advanced AI.

  
  
  

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  ;o
  
  I love this idea. I just think you should be able to cast any fire-related spell as well.
• Gintouki wrote on 2010-11-13 06:54

  Quote from Singleuseonly;213523:

  Mark of Ignition: The character loads a transparent-ish fireball and becomes immobile (until the fireball is shot), the fireball has a huge AoE radius but does not do any damage and applies the status "mark of ignition". When the spell is casted again with 1+ targets marked, it has a 0.1 sec load time and when executed, the character snaps his/her fingers and the marked targets are ignited with flames from hell. The flames do DoT damage based on the targets' current health and cripples their atk and move speed.

  
  
  Flame Alchemist..?
  

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  3rd Tier would also need a Trinity Staff, 2 handed, as in no free hands to snap.
• Singleuseonly wrote on 2010-11-13 23:52

  Quote from Gintouki;213820:

  Flame Alchemist..?
  
  3rd Tier would also need a Trinity Staff, 2 handed, as in no free hands to snap.

  
  
  I'm pretty sure u can hold your trinity staff with 1 hand when ur snapping...(not when ur channeling the magic itself)