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Archibald wrote on 2010-05-29 18:24
Quote from Kurezan;47785:
Hmm..thanks Trigger. Do you think it'd be wise, once I max out my combat to dive into magic? It seems really useful, and mana shield would be great.
I agree that giant mage would be difficult since Playing as Mana Master is more of a Hybrid Mage-Alchemy build. It can work but it eliminates the giants main strengths being melee based. Possible just less practical than Human for it. However, ranking skills that give mana and Fully using mana shield is a win for any giant who wants to use mana and HP to tank hits.
Also yes the reasons I named it Mana Master is because its maximizing your mana pool for ALL purposes. The other reason is that, respectfully, Master of Magic was already coined by both Nexon and Trigger. Plus this is a hybrid build. If you had All magics r1 and nothing else then this build does not work 100% the way its supposed to.
FYI even though I have all Magics capped or r1 (cept 1) I would not qualify for the Master of Magic yet because I generally only master Titles I would use. Someday I'll get those titles just from using the skills but that has not been my focus.
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Tyson wrote on 2010-05-29 18:33
Quote from Syrphid;47710:
Be quiet. If you only want to comment to put someone down then don't open your mouth.
Hey, Hey, i was never meaning it like that~ i was just questioning Triggers answer, None the less, If someone did solo Peaca Basic, Then by all rights they should brag, But to prevent further issues i take back my comment.
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Archibald wrote on 2010-05-29 18:36
We like to brag some. Makes us feel good since we have put in tons of time and money into a video game. Some would call it waste but if it doesnt make us feel a little good inside then we wouldn't play at all. And Hopefully soon I can post vids of Howto solo peaca and things like that. Currently my computer lags too much with mabi recorder for good instructional vids for those style of dungeons.
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Trigger wrote on 2010-05-31 03:21
Everyone has their own personal ego trip; no one is an exception.
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Erubus wrote on 2010-05-31 05:10
Quote from Archibald;47863:
We like to brag some. Makes us feel good since we have put in tons of time and money into a video game. Some would call it waste but if it doesnt make us feel a little good inside then we wouldn't play at all. And Hopefully soon I can post vids of Howto solo peaca and things like that. Currently my computer lags too much with mabi recorder for good instructional vids for those style of dungeons.
Why not get someone to tag along and record for you?o.o
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Aubog007 wrote on 2010-05-31 17:08
After i am done with my melee build and completely content. This will be my next goal. This sounds highly amusing...
Quote from Trigger;51035:
Everyone has their own personal ego trip; no one is an exception.
lies.
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Hiccup wrote on 2010-05-31 17:30
Why mainly towards human? Wouldn' the other races be overall better in performance and time efficiency? Even with the enchants and such closing the gap (if any) between them. Elves are faster and have hide which when used with Play dead is almost always a survivable tactic and you can't ignore those boosts to magic. And with Giants the health and defense boost means that even if they take hits outside of Mana Shield they have more time to prepare an attack with a pet. Oh and they are faster then humans. (Vejosa be scary sometimes.)
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Trigger wrote on 2010-05-31 17:43
We went over this already. Giants have inherently lower Intelligence and Mana, use more MP on Ice Spear, and cannot equip a Tier 3 shield outside the Composite, which is ridiculously hard to get. Elves cannot wear heavy armor. Neither of them can wear Dustin, which is the best armor available. These are just some of the reasons why humans are better suited to use the Mana Master build. Elves and giants COULD use it but they would have to forego some of the gear, etc., making them less effective.
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Tyson wrote on 2010-06-02 07:21
Quote from Trigger;51452:
We went over this already. Giants have inherently lower Intelligence and Mana, use more MP on Ice Spear, and cannot equip a Tier 3 shield outside the Composite, which is ridiculously hard to get. Elves cannot wear heavy armor. Neither of them can wear Dustin, which is the best armor available. These are just some of the reasons why humans are better suited to use the Mana Master build. Elves and giants COULD use it but they would have to forego some of the gear, etc., making them less effective.
Just dont get hit?
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Syrion wrote on 2010-06-02 07:33
Quote from Tyson;52669:
Just dont get hit?
i feel like this thread has come full circle
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Syrphid wrote on 2010-06-02 07:36
Quote from Tyson;52669:
Just dont get hit?
That's my mantra too, but on a good day I eat like 20 hits. If I never get hit I'm running dumb dungeons.
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Pocoyo wrote on 2010-06-02 08:33
Quote from Tyson;52669:
Just dont get hit?
Bro you can't talk about not getting hit, I see you get hit all the time and then you're dead.
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Trigger wrote on 2010-06-02 23:30
The Mabinogi combatant's motto is "never get hit in the first place" and most tanking builds fail because high-level monsters just plow right through your defenses anyway, but the heavy utilization of Mana Shield as the primary HP bar solves virtually all tanking problems.
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Archibald wrote on 2010-06-03 00:37
Yep and with this build you virtually take no damage from the monsters as well.
To put into example: Bug bears from Ciar ADV Hardmode hit for 150-200 normal and crit alot. They hit me for 20-35 mana points or 78 when they crit. Since I have about 600 Mana it takes all three of them ganging up on me for a minute or two to even get worried. At which point I just chug 2 MP 100 pots (with my poisened state) I now have 500 more mana for them to hack at. Of course I never let this happen but its 1 example.
Example 2: The beetle wolf in Alby ADV Hardmode hits normally for about 100-140 damage and is very annoying. Most of you reading this have died 1 time or another from them. They do 4-9 damage on me. They are not even a threat. I could literally sit in a corner for a few minutes afk while they gang raped me and then come back and 2 pots chug chug back to afk. (thinks about using them for armor proffing??hmm.)
I understand that not getting hit and having perfect execution is a goal and its one I share with everyone. The difference between a max damage build or any other build and this one is that mistakes barely ever bother you. My mistakes cost me a few mana points which are easy to get back in poisening. Even if your a main Meleer you could actually make use of this build as supreme tank build. Sometimes when I go into peaca with friends I let them mage and I just tank and smash things. Thats it. Just use pets for aggro control and smash. And if I make a mistake I lose 1-3 mana points in peaca. I'm still looking for ways to make this better but so far I have yet to see anything to make me think twice on it.
Thanks everyone for the great debate here.
:2thumb:
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Archibald wrote on 2010-06-03 00:39
Quote from Syrphid;52673:
That's my mantra too, but on a good day I eat like 20 hits. If I never get hit I'm running dumb dungeons.
That kinda confirms my build for me also. Your very very good at melee from your vids. But no one can avoid the occaionsal hit, unless they are level 900 running ciar normal.