Evie: Eagle Talon R9

• SadPanda wrote on 2010-11-15 07:55
  So, I'm trying to decide if I want to invest 720 AP into maxing eagle talon for magic mine or not as a scythe Evie.
  
  I had some questions regarding the damage, knockdown, crit, charge time, usability.
  
  1. Compared to mark of death, how much damage would a magic mine inflict on something like red tyrant in comparison?
  
  2. Does this skill count as a smash, and if so, does the knockdown percentage chance stack with smash mastery?
  
  3. When this skill crits, does the crit also increase the knockdown chance and stack with smash mastery.
  
  4. For the people that actually have this skill, do you actually heavily use it as part of your main set of attack skills? It seems more of like a random fun toy to send things flying, but I had seen some damage in a video that it inflicted and it seemed decent.
  
  Do you simply open with this attack and never touch it again until you run and meet the next bunch of mobs? Do you go out of your way to charge up a mine to use it to knock down bosses for setting up MoD? Does the knockdown work on big bosses like tyrant ?
  
  How many seconds does it take to charge up a mine ?
  
  Thanks for the info :)
  
  Atm, I'm still debating if I want to get B+A magic mastery or tinker with magic mine for fun as it's about the same amount of AP and I'm not really finding myself in need of that 200 m.att just yet.
  :what:
• PApalapagus wrote on 2010-11-15 08:00
  1. Magic Mine = .14 damage. LLLR = .18. MoD snap = .18. Useless, damagewise.
  
  2. Not a smash.
  
  3. Refer to Magical Crit. The only applicable skill.
  
  4. Random fun toy of uselessness.
  
  5. Opener when Im bored. Useless otherwise.
  
  6. About 2 seconds.
• Ruquion wrote on 2010-11-15 08:01
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  1. Slightly less than Mark
  2. It is not affected by Smash Mastery
  3. Crit always increases knockdown chance, IIRC. Shouldn't stack with Smash Mastery though.
  4. It has it's uses occasionally, but I wouldn't use it as one of my main skills since Smash + Snap is more efficient most of the time.
  
  Passives like Magic Mastery are extremely important, try to max it first.
  
  EDIT: Ninja'ed =/
• Andy-Buddy wrote on 2010-11-15 08:03
  1. Magic Mine, according to this, has a .14 Magical Damage Percentile. Mark of death has a .18 Percentile. Because neither of their damage is affected by smash mastery, assuming both are the same rank, Magic Mine would do 7/9ths of Mark of Death's damage.
  
  2. As stated above, it does not count as a smash.
  
  3.Crit always stacks with the skill's percentages. (IIRC.)
  
  
  4. I wouldn't know.
  
  
  
  EDIT:
  
  aSDfjiewkolafewkljafa;wkljfewkl Ninja'd.
• heretic304 wrote on 2010-11-15 08:11
  EDIT: I be too slow =(
  
  Look at the charts here. Most of the information is apparent.
  
  

  Quote from Bakuryu;205347:

  
  

  [Image: http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/8671/percentiletableeviescyt.png]

  
  ^
  Skills with two percentile values means that the attack has two "#Hits" but each of those Hits have a different percentile (and damage type)
  
  Physical Damage Formula:
  (ATK - DEF + 900 + extra damage * 6.25)* percentile * (1 + Mastery%)
  
  Magical Damage Formula:
  (MATK - DEF + 900 + extra damage * 6.25)* percentile * (1 + Base Mastery% + Mastery%)
  
  Physical Critical Damage Formula:
  Damage * [1+ (Critical Skill %) + Will * 0.03/200]
  
  Magical Critical Damage Formula:
  Damage * [1+ (Magic Critical Skill %) + (Intelligence [COLOR=Black]+1000)[/COLOR] * 0.03/200]
  
  Gravity Inversion Damage Formula:
  (MATK + 10500) * 1/3 * (1 + Mastery%)
  

  
  
  

  
  
  1. You can see that the Magic Fire Mine only has a 0.14 percentile compared to the Mark of Death 0.18 percentile. Since you need r9 for the Eagle Talon, you'll have to increase the damage by 18%. Mark of Death, at rA gives a damage increase of 18% as well, so as long as you have rA Mark of Death, it will deal more damage than Magic Fire Mine
     
     
  2. According to the Chart, Eagle Talon is only affected by the Eagle Talon, so it does not benefit from damage or knockdown from having Smash Mastery
     
     
  3. The same principle that applies to Critical Hits also applies to Magic Critical Hits. This means critting with a magic skill increases its chance to knock down enemies as well, meaning a critical eagle talon will be more likely to knock down an enemy.
     
     
  4. I rarely use it as a Scythy mainly because most of her scythe percentiles far outdamage that of the Eagle Talon. The fact that you need to run to charge it up makes it quite inefficient. It's also not supposed to be available to scythe, so I wouldn't rely on it, in case they "fix" the bug in the future.