Generation 13!

• Username wrote on 2010-11-19 00:48
  Lets hope they even give double rainbow during G13.
  It would help me rank AM from 2-1 without wasting millions of MP100's.
• gentrone wrote on 2010-11-19 01:01
  Proof that new int formula is not that great, even at 600 int:
  
  Current +damage formula:
  
  2*((log(int))^3), which would add 42.88 damage.
  
  If Ice Spear max is 300, then that mere 42.88 represents 14.29% MORE damage.
  
  With the NEW int formula magic gets nerfed to 80% of the original damage, (you can check kr wiki and divide previous damage by current and you get the %) which in turns creates a NEW base damage of 240.
  
  Now, 600 int would add 30% more damage: alright... 240*1.3 =312
  
  Rank 1 Ice Magic Mastery adds +15% damage, so
  
  312*1.15= 358.8 which represents 19.6% more of the original (300 damage)
  
  156 AP for a grand total of +4.7% more damage, whichs is 14! damage 14!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  
  LETS NOT FORGET YOU NEED 600 INT
• Jando wrote on 2010-11-19 01:06

  Quote from gentrone;220693:

  Proof that new int formula is not that great, even at 600 int:
  
  Current +damage formula:
  
  2*((log(int))^3), which would add 42.88 damage.
  
  If Ice Spear max is 300, then that mere 42.88 represents 14.29% MORE damage.
  
  With the NEW int formula magic gets nerfed to 80% of the original damage, (you can check kr wiki and divide previous damage by current and you get the %) which in turns creates a NEW base damage of 240.
  
  Now, 600 int would add 30% more damage: alright... 240*1.3 =312
  
  Rank 1 Ice Magic Mastery adds +15% damage, so
  
  312*1.15= 358.8 which represents 19.6% more of the original (300 damage)
  
  156 AP for a grand total of +4.7% more damage, whichs is 14! damage 14!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  
  LETS NOT FORGET YOU NEED 600 INT

  
  
  People complaining when they get something good?
  
  Meh, thats the world I guess.
• gentrone wrote on 2010-11-19 01:11
  HOW CAN THAT BE GOOD.
  
  Marginal benefit compared to marginal cost of INVESTING 150+ AP for 14 damage DOES NOT mean something good.
  
  And do you even have 600 Int? If you don't then your damage will be BELOW the current one.
  
  That's the world I guess.
• abc33kr wrote on 2010-11-19 01:36

  Quote from Jando;220709:

  People complaining when they get something good?
  
  Meh, thats the world I guess.

  
  
  LOL THE IRONY.
  
  I would have said what you said few months ago, but now I'm a meele/mage hybrid and understand what mages are talking about.
  
  You should learn before you judge.
• otaku998 wrote on 2010-11-19 01:47
  Btw what about this? c/p from Wiki
  
  These effects compound with the G13 Masteries and the effects of certain wands. (I.e 1.2x damage from Int and 1.1x damage from mastery would be 1.32x damage).
  
  * Damage bonus from the player's enchants as well as from int can add large amounts of damage due to the stacked multipliers.
  * the damage from Int does receive a bonus from the critical hit skill if you critical.
  
  Being a mage myself, kinda curious about this, like how much it will affect the dmg
• Akemii wrote on 2010-11-19 01:52
  I just want to know if the new formula will be a complete failure @.@
• Kaeporo wrote on 2010-11-19 02:08

  Quote from gentrone;220714:

  HOW CAN THAT BE GOOD.
  
  Marginal benefit compared to marginal cost of INVESTING 150+ AP for 14 damage DOES NOT mean something good.
  
  And do you even have 600 Int? If you don't then your damage will be BELOW the current one.
  
  That's the world I guess.

  
  
  You don't need to invest AP into Magic Ice Mastery. If you want 14 extra damage and also have 150+ AP to spend, that's your choice. All you need in order to obtain pre-G13 magic damage is around 600 intelligence. (The exception being Blaze, which was grossly overpowered)
  
  Devcat balanced magic. You can't cough up 400 AP and suddenly find yourself offensively on-par with other high level mages. To put things into perspective, Archers can't simply spend 500 AP on Crash Shot and call it good. We need a crazy amount of dexterity (compare the difficultly of refine/weaving/handicraft to the difficulty of musical knowledge/composition), a high damage weapon and max damage enchants.
  
  G13 adds a ton of new mastery skills, placing an emphasis on specialization. Most importantly is the double skill training obtained through your class selection.
• Akemii wrote on 2010-11-19 02:15

  Quote from Kaeporo;220839:

  You don't need to invest AP into Magic Ice Mastery. If you want 14 extra damage and also have 150+ AP to spend, that's your choice. All you need in order to obtain pre-G13 magic damage is around 600 intelligence. (The exception being Blaze, which was grossly overpowered)
  
  Devcat balanced magic. You can't cough up 400 AP and suddenly find yourself offensively on-par with other high level mages.
  
  G13 adds a ton of new mastery skills, placing an emphasis on specialization. Most importantly is the double skill training obtained through your class selection.

  
  Someone in Mabinogi told me about some Bolt Fusion skill, where you could fuse the bolts by yourself without requiring 2 people with wands. True?
• Kaeporo wrote on 2010-11-19 02:20

  Quote from Blizaga;220856:

  Someone in Mabinogi told me about some Bolt Fusion skill, where you could fuse the bolts by yourself without requiring 2 people with wands. True?

  
  
  It's called bolt composer.
  
  It allows you to perform magic fusion using an elemental wand. Combined with the new elemental mastery skills, the new intelligence bonus and bolt mastery you can deal significantly greater damage with bolt spells. Tellos posted on the wiki that the Trinity Staff (fully charged) can increase bolt damage by 300% but i've seen no further evidence that this is true.
• otaku998 wrote on 2010-11-19 02:24
  [video=youtube;g3Q7w0bXZIg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3Q7w0bXZIg[/video]
  As far as this vid went, i don't think Trinity Staff even at fully charge increase bolt dmg that much
• gentrone wrote on 2010-11-19 02:36

  Quote from Kaeporo;220839:

  You don't need to invest AP into Magic Ice Mastery. 1) If you want 14 extra damage and also have 150+ AP to spend, that's your choice. 2) All you need in order to obtain pre-G13 magic damage is around 600 intelligence. 3)(The exception being Blaze, which was grossly overpowered)
  
  Devcat balanced magic. 4) You can't cough up 400 AP and suddenly find yourself offensively on-par with other high level mages.
  
  5) G13 adds a ton of new mastery skills, placing an emphasis on specialization. Most importantly is the double skill training obtained through your class selection.

  
  
  I will give you something that you might need to know:
  
  1) That is not correct. If you didn't spend 150 AP, not only will you not get that additional 14 (FOURTEEN!!) damage, but you will actually hit way less. Let's see: as I have previously demonstrated, damage WITHOUT Magic Ice Mastery would be 312. That's 36 LESS damage than you would get with the CURRENT Int formula (-9%!!!). So in reality you're getting (36+14=50 less damage), so it's not much of a choice, right?
  
  2) As I have demonstrated you DO NOT get pre-G13 damage with just 600 Int. You might get the BASE damage of the spell but not the EXTRA damage from the CURRENT formula, get my point?
  
  3) All Dev Cat did was ADJUST the previous formula so it SEEMED better. If you go through the numbers, you will see that difference is barely noticeable. Tell me the influence of 10~50 damage on a spell that deals over one THOUSAND damage?!
  
  4) Are you referring to Blaze? It's not like you can all of a sudden get 400 AP and rank it for the "grossly overpowered damage", you need to fulfill some PREREQUISITES like INT. Do you have any idea of how much AP you actually need in order to achieve 600 BASE INT? It's not like just ranking the skill itself will make me overpowered whatsoever, that's the opportunity cost of such skill, that you need really HIGH amounts of INT. So you could infer that any "mage" that dishes grossly overpowered damage MUST be grossly HIGH-LVL'D as well.
  
  5) And don't let me get started on Crash Shot, if YOU consider Blaze that OP. Blaze was a FAIR thing for mages. Mana cost for our spells was way too high for our damage, while in the other hand meleers and archers got away with consistent damage at the LOW cost of weapon repairs.
  
  I must only agree with you on that G13 places emphasis on specialization, and that's a good thing. You just can't bee that quick to judge a very burdened class with really high costs (AP-Wise and MP-wise), so at least you could try to UNDERSTAND.
• Akemii wrote on 2010-11-19 02:37
  So wait, you can cast all Advanced Magic spells without actually learning them?
• otaku998 wrote on 2010-11-19 02:47
  Course not, you need to know the spells beforehand
• Akemii wrote on 2010-11-19 02:50

  Quote from otaku998;220929:

  Course not, you need to know the spells beforehand

  
  
  Yeah I was reading a bit on it xD. So basically you can use all three spells with one weapon. Too bad you won't be able to ego. Any videos on Bolt Composition?