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Rebel wrote on 2010-04-29 16:20
Yes, it is very hard to get even 120% critical, and I doubt it is possible for a free rebirther atm, but I'm sure with the new enchants we will get, like burning, and hopefully other places to get Elegant ES/cylinder, it should be a bit easier later on.
You'd probably Need Principles armor too for a free rb'er to get 120%+.
But all that is moot if you level alot at young age.
Masses of luck.
Also, I think it should be mentioned that, high crit will be more possible later, since bipennises will get a better final upgrade than the Fhergus one that we have currently, I forget who the npc is that does it, but I already have a smithed 4/5 Lizard Bipennis prepped for that upgrade. :evil:
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eiklnv wrote on 2010-04-29 16:29
I had 140 crit in trans with my bipennis with no other special crit items.
stiff tail cap [easy] -> 10% crit
stiff thief 160 gold bipennis [still quite easy] -> 79% cit
r1 mind of chaos [takes some time] -> 20% crit
^ equip + trans crit total -> 109%
have ~180 will -> 18% crit
have ~50 luck -> 10% crit
age 10 char ftw 8D
could easily add a few more thief enchants somewhere to raise the crit rate to 150%
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Rebel wrote on 2010-04-29 16:32
Oh, I wasn't counting trans.
Since, you don't want to kill the siren before she drops your mask @_@
I've done the regular siren a few times, and half the times I go, I get maybe 6~10 or so smashes on her, without any + dmg enchants on, and my smash is only r5... I stopped ranking it once I thought about getting the siren masks, without going through the hassle of doing HM.
But yea, even with 100% crit in regular siren, I failed to crit her those few times, and she dies before.
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eiklnv wrote on 2010-04-29 16:35
hm siren has ALOT of hp, it's not as fragile as normal siren
last time i ran it tho, i only had 105% crit, took me like 30 smash to kill her lol.
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Chiri wrote on 2010-04-29 16:58
I don't know if the server was lagging at that time, but I did Siren HM with guildees and was able to pull off smash+windmill combos against the wall very effectively.
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Yogurticecream wrote on 2010-04-29 17:01
Quote from Adori;22217:
Also, I think it should be mentioned that, high crit will be more possible later, since bipennises will get a better final upgrade than the Fhergus one that we have currently, I forget who the npc is that does it, but I already have a smithed 4/5 Lizard Bipennis prepped for that upgrade. :evil:
Does it have to do with imperial upgrade coupon?
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Rebel wrote on 2010-04-29 17:05
Quote from Yogurticecream;22230:
Does it have to do with imperial upgrade coupon?
Maybe that's what it's called, our wiki has the upgrade listed as needing the 'Royal Guard Weapon Upgrade Coupon'.
They sound similar, so that's probably it.
Also says 'Padan' Does it, in G10.
But, our wiki has a reputation for being misleading.
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Archibald wrote on 2010-04-29 17:19
OK there is a infinate chain of thunder that you can do but not at rank 9 Thunder. And doing a 2 man run of this dungeon is not suggested until you are around level 1k. The chain can be done at rank 3+ with a speed upgraded Crystal Lightening wand. This actually works for practically any enemy mob but takes practice for timing.
Charge 5 thunders >>Open chest>>Cast in to mob>>>Charg 1 thunder>>>>Cast into mob before first set hits>>>Charge 2 thunders>>>>Wait for the 1 charge of thunder to hit>>>Charge 1 thunder>> Cast into mob before previous hits>>>>Charge 2 thunders>>> Wait for the 1 charge of thunder to hit
The pattern is 5>2>1>2>1>2>1....................Very rarely will you need that many chains but I use it on blackship rats in ADV hm and Siren Hm. It takes some time to get it right but once you do its extremely effective mob control.
Now if you have icespear you can also do this at rank 5+ but just get into a corner and 2 charge it over and over again. Wearing PD armor helps if 1 rat gets out of freeze effect. I wish I had a better computer or a elf friend to record a video of all this. Would work better.
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Cucurbita wrote on 2010-04-29 17:25
And this is why alchemy is op.
R1 Wall alternate between two users.
Spam sand burst from the other side. BSR problem solved.
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Justified wrote on 2010-04-29 18:35
Quote from Adori;22217:
Yes, it is very hard to get even 120% critical, and I doubt it is possible for a free rebirther atm, but I'm sure with the new enchants we will get, like burning, and hopefully other places to get Elegant ES/cylinder, it should be a bit easier later on.
[Image: http://i40.tinypic.com/6rssy8.jpg]
Stiff Thief - Hat, Dagger
Fearless Thief - Clothing, Shoes, Gloves
Unfamiliar Thief - Shield
Fearless Cornflower - Accessory
Thief - Accessory
"the One who Discovered Karu"
Switch the Dagger to a Bipennis for an additional 10 Crit. Stick Fearless on the empty Accessory slot for an extra 4 Crit.
154.6 Crit for Freebirth, no food, pet companion bonuses, or trans used.
You could also toss in Fragmentation enchants for +8 Crit, as well as Musician shoes for +3 Crit, making the new total 165 Crit. Rank Thunder for +3, eat food for +5, and get a companion bonus from a newly made Sprite pet for +8. What are we up to, 181 Crit untransed?
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Rebel wrote on 2010-04-29 18:41
Quote from Justified;22295:
[Image: http://i40.tinypic.com/6rssy8.jpg]
Stiff Thief - Hat, Dagger
Fearless Thief - Clothing, Shoes, Gloves
Unfamiliar Thief - Shield
Cornflower Thief - Accessory
Thief - Accessory
"the One who Discovered Karu"
Switch the Dagger to a Bipennis for an additional 10 Crit. Stick Fearless on the empty Accessory slot for an extra 4 Crit.
154.6 Crit for Freebirth, no food, pet companion bonuses, or trans used.
Brava~
Edit for your edit: I said I doubt it was possible, I didn't say it wasn't.
And those enchants you are listing are new enchants.
The main issue was that it
isn't easy to get that much crit, and how many earnest items have you seen?
I've seen 2. And neither of them had the max critical bonus.
Karu title also is another difficult thing to get.
Good job on getting 140% though.:thumb:
Did you critical the siren? :>
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Justified wrote on 2010-04-29 19:51
Quote from Adori;22298:
Edit for your edit: I said I doubt it was possible, I didn't say it wasn't.
And those enchants you are listing are new enchants.
The main issue was that it isn't easy to get that much crit, and how many earnest items have you seen?
I've seen 2. And neither of them had the max critical bonus.
Karu title also is another difficult thing to get.
Good job on getting 140% though.:thumb:
Did you critical the siren? :>
Just pointing out the possibilities. The Fearless Thief/Stiff Thief set is easy to make, Karu Title being the only problem (though I got it three times in a row before stopping, it isn't camped nearly as hard as Maiz which I still don't have).
And I have bad luck with Siren Hard, the last 4 times I've entered that dungeon I disconnect in the middle. Though, I did manage to get the mask in my first 2 hard runs, I think within 5-6 smashes.
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pataterose wrote on 2010-04-29 21:32
YouTube - hardmode siren rundal bossroom
crited it with 0 will, 135 ish crit. she can survive plenty of hit.
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Cannibal wrote on 2010-04-29 21:37
I'm too lazy to read the other posts, so I'll just say what I have to say, even if it's already been said.
Every time I've done Siren HM, it's been with a party of 8. I think one time, two people left and we did a floor or two with only 6.
For BSR, we did a lot of Mirage. I've always been with relatively strong people, so while they were a challenge, they were taken out quickly. Teaming up on one or two rats at one time is a good idea, if you can't take them on by yourself. If you're alone or your party members are backed up themselves, you could always use a high-ranked bolt and counter. Mag spam works alright, too.
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Chihaya wrote on 2010-04-30 11:38
(My guild likes to run Rundal Siren HM every Friday. Don't ask me why
The last time I was there, r6 Thunder pretty much owned (Had around 250+ int) and was enough to take down the BSR with full charge if it critted a lot
I'll say right now that range didn't really work well, and I believe we had a snow Golem accompany us through the entire dungeon =3
Good times... One of the guildies failed to crit smash the Siren tho =P)