Vindictus player, thinking about Mabinogi

• Zid wrote on 2010-12-07 15:56
  Well, I'm not Zid on Vindictus. If you've seen Soaps, that's me, but I retired from Vindictus.
• EndlessDreams wrote on 2010-12-07 17:13
  The biggest difference between Vindictus and Mabinogi is that Vindictus, even as a free player there, you can cap yourself with all the useful skills pretty easily with nothing much to do. Also, in Vindictus, you are left wondering when the next update so your character actually make progress.
  
  In Mabinogi, although there is a cap, it will take you years if you rebirth weekly for ~7 dollars to reach such cap. Then, after that cap, you can accumulate AP to a possibility unlimited amount.
• Fathuran wrote on 2010-12-07 17:15
  @Masterdo
  I had some thoughts about playing this as well, and after reading through the thread some, I'm thinking of trying my hand at Mabinogi myself, mebeh we can play together and be terribad as a team. xD
• jking012 wrote on 2010-12-07 17:32
  don't come to tarlach you'll regret it like me >.>
  
  

  Quote from EndlessDreams;239944:

  
  In Mabinogi, although there is a cap, it will take you years if you rebirth weekly for ~7 dollars to reach such cap. Then, after that cap, you can accumulate AP to a possibility unlimited amount.

  
  
  But with the updates of skills coming out you'll never hit that hell look at g13... you'll need prob around 2800-3100 ap to rank 1 all those skills coming out if not MORE i'll calculate how much on avg in a bit
  
  EDIT: I totaled all the G13 skills ap needs and to be honest i was very close with my guess. You actually need:
  3168 ap to rank 1 ALL g13 NEW** skills
• EndlessDreams wrote on 2010-12-07 17:40

  Quote from jking012;239950:

  don't come to tarlach you'll regret it like me >.>
  
  
  
  But with the updates of skills coming out you'll never hit that hell look at g13... you'll need prob around 2800-3100 ap to rank 1 all those skills coming out if not MORE i'll calculate how much on avg in a bit

  
  
  It is only like 3000 AP or so, if I calculated it out. You can get that much AP in less than one year of playing if you rebirth weekly.
  
  You need a total of around 12-13k AP to max everything including the stuff in G13. This isn't the same as total level though.
• Masterdo wrote on 2010-12-07 18:16
  The nice part is that I'm starting to understand what you guys are talking about :p The wiki does a pretty good job.
  
  The game took like 10 minutes to download, but I still have not decided the server I'll join. Going through some friends IRL and in various games, trying to see if there are a few already settled somewhere. If not I'll probably give Alexina or Ruairi a try.
  
  Thanks for your help and enthusiasm :)
• psyal wrote on 2010-12-07 18:28
  10 minutes? I feel bad about my internet now. Not that I though it was good to begin with.
  
  And I'll help you start out for a bit if I'm on and you're on the Ruari server, though you probably don't need too much to begin with. Plus you'll need to learn all those tips and tricks, but you'll get them eventually.
• Yanm wrote on 2010-12-07 19:01
  Master and Fath, how about you two join the Ruari server? Masterdo, I'm glad you have experience in online games, such as immediately looking for a wiki. It'd make things so much easier if everyone looked at it first before they joined the game. I'd be willing too help you guys out if you want. My name is Yanm on Ruari.
• Haydrian wrote on 2010-12-08 05:02

  Quote from Masterdo;239811:

  
  1) How much of a pay to win is this game? While "leveling" and at the end content?
  
  I have nothing against cash shop. I usually am alright with spending 30-40$ after a few weeks, equivalent to buying any other boxed game, then a few bucks now and there, when a promotion interests me. My problem is when it takes a few hundred dollars a month to play with the big boys, or to be able to craft things, etc. That type of major pay to win is usually a let down. How is Mabinogi there?
  

  
  
  In the beginning there was a requirement to spend money in order to rebirth and thus there was a major "pay to win" scenario there". As of Iria though there is free rebirthing which brought in a lot of players. While your growth wont be as great as someone such as myself who rebirths weekly, those of us that do either have money to burn or are highly competitive with again, money to burn. Really it's not a big deal to free rebirth, mabinogi is the type of game that your total wont make the player per say. While yes it's needed for high level skills to obtain lots of AP which comes from high totals, you can get through the basis of the game very nicely if you just know how to fight. Trust me on that one, i've played under 100 total characters so often at times i run things better on them than what i do on my well over 1k total characters. Just look at guides on combat and train your personal skills as much as your characters and your gold.
  
  If your interested in crafting then selling i recommend either getting service or if able set up a secondary mule account to use for vending. What i mean by this is every beginner account (not character) will have a simple version of extra storage to use bags with that you can open shop with. This service is only available until the accumulated level of your character(s) on that account reaches 30. So this is why we call them mule accounts, we never use them past lvl 1 for abuse of their service. having service on your main account though will enable you to be able to own a house which helps even more with selling as it's open even when your computer is off. This isn't a necessity however and you must bid on houses (as in you need money first to bid on them) this is usually more for more experienced players.
  
  Pets will be useful. thankfully these are a one time charge. I recommend at least 1 mount for ground (shire, thoroughbred, ect.) for ease of access as by this point the mabinogi world is massive and the "fast travel" routes are either long waits or can get confusing (as well as take up your inventory). these routes are mana tunnels (available only in the Iria continent), moon gates (only in Uladh and set to a schedule), continent warp function (will transport you between iria and uladh - the origin spots of either being quilla[iria] and dunbarton or tir depending on whether you have been to dunbarton yet[uladh]). The last form is the inventory hog which is traveling through the housing board fliers. This can get a bit confusing to new comers and can only be done in uladh unless you always keep fliers or a house key with you.
  
  
  I will explain the crafting scenario in your last question.
  
  
  

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  2) How often content is added?
  
  I know that Vindictus is not really an mmo, but we are often stuck waiting for content. It'll probably take me a while to catch up and be at a point where I would wait for content in Mabinogi, but if I like the game I just might get there :p So, does the game keep you busy even after a long while? If not, is it updated fast enough so it doesn't feel like just waiting? In game events help too usually, is there any nice ones regularly in Mabi?
  

  
  
  Very quickly of late. There is a maintenance every tuesday night at 10pm PST that more often than not includes some sort of new thing whether it pet, event, or teasers. I'm not extremely for this as the major updates in mabinogi can sometimes get overwhelming for things to do if your not caught up to it. At the pace they are moving, unless your a speed demon you probably wont be ready for the next update anyway so i wouldn't worry there.
  
  The brilliance of mabinogi is there is no limit. None. You can always be doing SOMETHING in this game so no, i highly doubt you will get bored. unless however you only enjoy it for certain things then you'll get bored but mind you you'd get bored doing anything with that attitude. There is no level limit, skills can be leveled at will since there are no true classes, and equipment is completely up to you unless you go elf then sadly heavy armor is unavailable to you and so are two handed weapons, same story for giants no real archery available.
  
  The events are questionable most days, lol. There have been winners and several losers int his category. It really depends on what you look for in an event, while the events wont appeal to everyone there is certainly a variety to the events held in mabinogi for the most part.
  
  

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  3) Last one : How is crafting /economy in Mabinogi? For some reasons, in most MMOs I tend to really like playing the economy, become a sort of crafter. A couple of things in some games that can completely kill this type of gameplay would be : Excessive botting, they sell everything half the reasonable price, you can't do squat. Or the crafting is based on the size of your wallet (cash shop). Or whatever you craft / enhance you can't trade after...
  

  
  
  This is where the Nexon in this game shines through. You will need A LOT of money and there is quite a bit of botting, it's decreased from before. There is no question that the easiest and most common form of obtaining money especially for crafters at lower ranks is to buy cash shop items to sell whether they be gachapon chance items, dye amps, arrows, ect. Either way it will be a long road before you will ahve the cash to really dive into crafting especially blacksmithing. there are ways around this though such as selling holy water or farming and the like. This method is very time consuming but makes it feel much more worth it imo. You could also obtain your own materials instead of buying - this method is longest and could make it so blacksmithing and tailoring could take several YEARS to complete by yourself. usually by the time you are at a decent rank however, you can craft items and sell them to other players to help fund your crafting. be wary though that until very late ranks will there be much of an income from this to make it very worth while for obtaining more money. Essentially a R1 blacksmith has the ability to rule a great deal of economy and attain millions with ease. tailors sadly got the short end of the stick after many events made their products so cheap they aren't worth selling. new gachapon only obtainable manuals have changed this slightly however.
  
  
  
  
  I see you've decided to try it out irregardless but I hope that answers your questions well enough to get an idea of how to approach it. Good luck, especially if you get into life skills/crafting, it's a ton of work. My recommendation is to find a nice guild to help you out and to choose a style to focus on first. Also if you have the patience rank windmill early as well as refine. Reason being is the demanding requirements that windmill has for kills and refine has for failures.
  
  Cheers.
  
  
  
  
  
  Dam that's a wall of txt. lmao.
• gentrone wrote on 2010-12-08 11:19
  1) Yeah, basically you just need $20-30 for pets: a flying mount, a horse, and any other of your choice. They serve for transportation as well as storage which can be very handy.
  
  You don't really need to buy RB cards to succeed in this game but if you want to eh
  
  

  play with the big boys

  
  
  then yes, you need to spend some money for rebirths.
  
  Rebirths reset your current lvl but carry over your skills and Ability Points, so you can gain levels faster and thus more AP for ranking skills so you could infer that the higher 'total level' the higher 'current' you will reach meaning more AP per RB and better skills.
  
  Personally I don't buy rebirths that often because I play the most during the weekends so no need to rush.
  
  2) We will get new content much slower now but as a newbie I think you will have PLENTY of things to do before you even think of new skills and areas.
  
  3) Economy isn't great because of this
  
  

  crafting is based on the size of your wallet (cash shop)

• Masterdo wrote on 2010-12-08 14:55
  Wow Haydrian, thanks for the very detailed answer. I am actually about to begin with Mabinogi on Ruairi server. I'll be sure to thank those from this server in-game when I get a chance :)
  
  My approach so far is to really take my time in the beginning, to try and assess as much as I can during the free Premium Service period. I also read a lot of guides in the Guides section, and something that really appealed to me so far is Farming. The finals are about to begin in university, and I still play Vindictus, so that form of "minimal input" gameplay sounds like a really nice way of gathering resources while I have limited game time. If it means I can have a few 100k by the time I can start playing more seriously, sounds like an easy advantage :)
  
  Thanks again for all your answers, they truly help. I'm a sponge for game knowledge, and in Mabinogi there seems to be a ton of it, it's perfect.
• Fracture wrote on 2010-12-08 20:43

  Quote from Masterdo;239811:

  
  1) How much of a pay to win is this game? While "leveling" and at the end content?
  
  I have nothing against cash shop. I usually am alright with spending 30-40$ after a few weeks, equivalent to buying any other boxed game, then a few bucks now and there, when a promotion interests me. My problem is when it takes a few hundred dollars a month to play with the big boys, or to be able to craft things, etc. That type of major pay to win is usually a let down. How is Mabinogi there?
  

  
  
  Mabinogi is very light in pay-to-win now. It used to be unplayable without dropping 20-40$ a month, but now you can play for free at a very small disadvantage. From a competitive character advancement point of view, rebirthing is the main essential in Mabi. You can drop As much as 28$ a month on basic rebirths if you want to advance quickly, 14$ for semi-weekly rebirths (completely reasonable) or go free-to-play and rebirth every 3 weeks, which isn't as bad as many make it out to be.
  
  Overall, you'll probably spend a minimum of 15-30$ on a couple mounts, and maybe more on other pets if you please. You can also add mule characters (aside from starting as a human to get a free elf and giant) for ~7$ each.
  
  As for the monthly service-- don't bother. It sucks hard.
  
  

  
  2) How often content is added?
  
  I know that Vindictus is not really an mmo, but we are often stuck waiting for content. It'll probably take me a while to catch up and be at a point where I would wait for content in Mabinogi, but if I like the game I just might get there :p So, does the game keep you busy even after a long while? If not, is it updated fast enough so it doesn't feel like just waiting? In game events help too usually, is there any nice ones regularly in Mabi?
  

  
  
  I can guarantee you will never, if you have any interest in skill ranking, run out of things to do. Only a few people, with total levels of around 7000+, have everything maxed, and all three abused glitches to level so much. After two years of playing, I'm still constantly running out of AP because I have so many things to put it into.
  
  Between dungeons, passes, and the different levels of shadow missions, the combat is never really lacking. Note also that, unlike Vindi, dungeons aren't simply filled with hoardes of fluff and a boss. Quite often the mobs will be as much a pain as the boss(es), if not more.
  
  The events used to be good, but are now frequently economy-murdering money-grabs for Nexon. Cash-shop keys for chests, and the like.
  
  Frequency of updates is fairly low, but the generations are long if you take your time, and you won't hit end-game within a couple weeks like in Vindictus. Your gear, too, is totally modular and not clear-cut best like in Vindictus.
  
  

  
  3) Last one : How is crafting /economy in Mabinogi? For some reasons, in most MMOs I tend to really like playing the economy, become a sort of crafter. A couple of things in some games that can completely kill this type of gameplay would be : Excessive botting, they sell everything half the reasonable price, you can't do squat. Or the crafting is based on the size of your wallet (cash shop). Or whatever you craft / enhance you can't trade after...
  

  
  
  The only tade-restrictions in Mabi are certain enchants and upgrading armour/clothes, so don't worry about that.
  
  The crafting system is not bottable but for basic gathering (ore fragments, threads, etc) so they don't kill the economy, and there's little to no influence from the cash shop. However, it takes a lot of work and dedication to be a good crafter and, unless you get freebies from everyone, you can't be weak to be successful.
  
  Gold is mostly made through dungeons/SMs, many materials are most easily obtained through combat or the rafting/ballooning minigames, and finishing materials are often drops from tough monsters. Smithing, for instance-- most of the Passive Defence armours require a siren mask to finish. Siren Rundal is difficult and solo, and you need to be able to critical smash her to get a mask.
  
  Training requirements, too, are difficult. Crafting is not stupidly hard, but it's not so easy that everyone can do it. We usually only have 2-5 Rank 1 smiths per server.
• Chillax wrote on 2010-12-08 21:29
  You don't need any money if you're willing to put some time into surverys. I was able to get 10+ pets without ever spending my own money.
• Fathuran wrote on 2010-12-08 21:44
  I just starting playing on Ruairi, or however you spell it, just got done with the beginner dungeon and now am just working my way around things, taking my time and actually enjoying myself being a total newbie. It's fun, and a great break from Vindictus.
  
  IG name is Frystis if you wanna hang out together, Masterdo, and to any other of you great people on there. ^^
• Fracture wrote on 2010-12-09 01:29

  Quote from Fathuran;241271:

  I just starting playing on Ruairi, or however you spell it, just got done with the beginner dungeon and now am just working my way around things, taking my time and actually enjoying myself being a total newbie. It's fun, and a great break from Vindictus.
  
  IG name is Frystis if you wanna hang out together, Masterdo, and to any other of you great people on there. ^^

  
  
  I'm not on as often anymore since I'm on the KR Test crew, but add Fracture in-game if you want. If you let me know ahead of time on forums by PM, I can help with pretty much anything.