Zero Magnum Shot

• Pokeba11 wrote on 2010-12-09 21:00
  For those of you who don't know what I am talking about, here is a link to the video that demonstrates this technique: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONV_781uiAY
  
  As you can see, you open with a magnum shot at point-blank range. Then, you run up to the target and fire again at point-blank.
  
  I have been attempting to use this technique, but I can only seem to get about 80%-90% aim on my second magnum shot before the target recovers. I have R1 range and R5 magnum, so skill ranks are not the issue. I have also been using a LLB because it has a longer stun and faster aim speed (and yes, I am an elf).
  
  Is this technique intended to allow you to aim to 99% for each shot?
  Is my lag (I live on the east coast) the problem?
  
  I have also been considering getting R9 evade to close the distance and link the opening magnum shot and the second magnum shot.
  
  If anyone has experience with this technique, please tell me why I can't seem to perform it. I thank you in advance for any advice given.
• krpr wrote on 2010-12-09 21:14
  [s]i think it's the bow you're using. short bow should aim faster than LLB at short range[/s]
  
  scratch that, was unsure of this so went to test. It's the same speed at least for humans
  
  You can always try to use sog and shoot at 30s. But you shouldn't miss at 50~70s at that range
• EndlessDreams wrote on 2010-12-09 21:22

  Quote from krpr;242486:

  i think it's the bow you're using. short bow should aim faster than LLB at short range

  
  
  Actually, LLB will have higher aim rate increase than Short Bow. The higher range the bow, the better the aim rate increase. Wing Bow and LLB Egos will be the best with 2600/2500 range.
• krpr wrote on 2010-12-09 21:31

  Quote from EndlessDreams;242504:

  Actually, LLB will have higher aim rate increase than Short Bow. The higher range the bow, the better the aim rate increase. Wing Bow and LLB Egos will be the best with 2600/2500 range.

  
  
  yea, just ninjaed the previous post because i wasn't 100% sure of it so went to give a test
  with llb one zero shot magnum took 1.2 secs while with short bow it took 1.3, almost 1.4 (aim speed)
• radionoise wrote on 2010-12-09 21:49

  Quote from EndlessDreams;242504:

  Actually, LLB will have higher aim rate increase than Short Bow. The higher range the bow, the better the aim rate increase. Wing Bow and LLB Egos will be the best with 2600/2500 range.

  
  
  Yeah, not to mention that bow speed rating does not affect elf range or magnum for refire unless the skills are being used during final shot. For zero-shooting of any kind as an elf, long bows are the ideal choice since not only do they aim faster, they also provide more stun.
  
  For magnum -> magnum the only way to get 99% on the second shot as an elf is through mounted archery, unless the enemy is unusually slow. Normally, you'd only get to 70~80% if you manage to react quickly, get right on top of the enemy's hitbox and load magnum at the correct moment.
• Jovo wrote on 2010-12-09 23:19
  CN mabi servers have abnormally slow monster AI. What you can pull off in CN isn't possible in NA. Whenever I've tried Magnum -> Magnum (with mounted archery), I've always gotten ~80% on the second magnum.
  
  If you don't believe me, watch this.
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnDtYW5rCcQ
  Bisons are no way supposed to agro that slowly. It's at least 2x the time we have on NA.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2010-12-09 23:19
  This technique is possible with Humans as well but I can only pull it off with my spirit crossbow.
• radionoise wrote on 2010-12-09 23:28

  Quote from Jovo;242733:

  CN mabi servers have abnormally slow monster AI. What you can pull off in CN isn't possible in NA. Whenever I've tried Magnum -> Magnum (with mounted archery), I've always gotten ~80% on the second magnum.
  
  If you don't believe me, watch this.
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnDtYW5rCcQ
  Bisons are no way supposed to agro that slowly. It's at least 2x the time we have on NA.

  
  
  You can magnum -> magnum with a Thoroughbred with 90%+ accuracy just fine in NA, though when it comes to mounted archery I prefer magnum -> ranged -> magnum as that has more damage potential and is virtually impossible for the enemy to get out of.
• Jovo wrote on 2010-12-09 23:36

  Quote from radionoise;242756:

  You can magnum -> magnum with a Thoroughbred with 90%+ accuracy just fine in NA, though when it comes to mounted archery I prefer magnum -> ranged -> magnum as that has more damage potential and is virtually impossible for the enemy to get out of.

  
  
  This is when you use long bow right? I'm getting about 80% while using an ESB against shadow ghost. And also in the OP's video, that elf is also using a short bow.
• radionoise wrote on 2010-12-09 23:44

  Quote from Jovo;242773:

  This is when you use long bow right? I'm getting about 80% while using an ESB against shadow ghost. And also in the OP's video, that elf is also using a short bow.

  
  
  Yes, this is with a Long Bow. I don't think bow range will significantly influence aim speed at point blank, though.
• Archibald wrote on 2010-12-10 00:31
  Wow that elf was hitting for 640's x2 non trans non crit and 800's x2 in trans non crit normal range with a elvin short bow...I'm jelous of that
• Pokeba11 wrote on 2010-12-10 01:30
  The bit about the slower AI in the Chinese version makes a lot of sense. I am going to have to experiment with alternate ways of chaining magnums together, preferably, without the use of a pet.
  
  Thanks for the information everyone.
• Syrion wrote on 2010-12-10 01:50
  bow speed doesnt affect bow stun time, ringbow is the bow with the most stun, and should be the easiest to perform this technique with
• Kaeporo wrote on 2010-12-10 02:03

  Quote from Syrion;242912:

  bow speed doesnt affect bow stun time, ringbow is the bow with the most stun, and should be the easiest to perform this technique with

  
  
  Incorrect.
  
  Stun duration is inversely proportional to weapon speed (refire) and hit count. The Ring Bow has the greatest stun duration because it is a normal 2-hit ranged weapon.
• Syrion wrote on 2010-12-10 03:30

  Quote from Kaeporo;242940:

  Incorrect.
  
  Stun duration is inversely proportional to weapon speed (refire) and hit count. The Ring Bow has the greatest stun duration because it is a normal 2-hit ranged weapon.

  
  
  i see
  
  but i don't quite understand
  
  if it is inversely proportionate to shooting speed and hit count, then shouldnt wing bow have longer stun time because its 2 hit fast?
  
  please elaborate on this, im curious about the mechanics