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Virtue wrote on 2010-05-02 19:06
Quote from Syrphid;25986:
The burden of proof lies on the positive, not the negative. Otherwise,
"you owe me $1000"
"what? why?"
"prove that you don't owe me $1000"
"..."
Ah well, surprising that you know that the burden of proof is always on the one making the positive claim. I was trying to get your mind to explode. Alas, the "derp".
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Syrphid wrote on 2010-05-02 19:08
Quote from Sin;25992:
Ah well, surprising that you know that the burden of proof is always on the one making the positive claim. I was trying to get your mind to explode. Alas, the "derp".
What, are you just messing with me. ;o
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Rebel wrote on 2010-05-02 19:08
Quote from Chocklitshop;25984:
Wouldn't the child be his dad's uncle ._.
Yes, his dad's uncle, but he would be his own great uncle.
Since his mom is his dad's grandma.(Iirc)
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Chillax wrote on 2010-05-02 19:10
People are arguing that incest is an absolute bad, while Syrphid is arguing that it is not, and we are going in circles with this quippage on morality. It's fine and all if you guys don't like it, but it really doesn't have much effect on you or anyone outside the couple's immediate family. Worried about the kid? Then go see his/her personal progress and offer support. There is no evidence to affirm or contradict that this incestuous relationship and the raising of this couple's child would go wrong, but the fact that they were willing to go through with this relationship against most of the wishes of society makes me believe that they would take greater care in raising their child in dealing with society.
Seriously guys, this is 14 ****ing pages; the arguments have not changed.
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Rebel wrote on 2010-05-02 19:11
I hope they have octuplets.
Then it'd be really interesting.
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Chockeh wrote on 2010-05-02 19:13
Quote from Adori;25998:
Yes, his dad's uncle, but he would be his own great uncle.
Since his mom is his dad's grandma.(Iirc)
Nuh, the grandma will just raise the kid, not give birth.
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Rebel wrote on 2010-05-02 19:14
Quote from Chocklitshop;26004:
Nuh, the grandma will just raise the kid, not give birth.
but aren't they married?
So he is his own great uncle-
in law
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Lan wrote on 2010-05-02 19:16
Shouldn't debates like this be in the debate section? I think we should only give our opinions on this matter and reserve our thoughts about incest and morality for the debate section.
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Virtue wrote on 2010-05-02 19:18
Quote from Syrphid;25996:
What, are you just messing with me. ;o
Aye.
As for the arguement, it is:
- There is no right or wrong to Incest in general. It's called relative morality; transient, subjective and determined by people according to their own gut feelings. It's pointless to argue that.
- When, however, people in an incestuous relationship want to procreate together, the postive "there is something wrong with incest" is right with the arguement "There's more of a chance to inherit common genes that contain negative recessive/dominant traits if you breed within your own family". That is more than enough reason for them to not get children from each other. We don't need bad genes in the gene pool from having inbred children.
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@Lan: There is no debate section.
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Lan wrote on 2010-05-02 19:20
Quote from Sin;26011:
@Lan: There is no debate section.
o.o Then I'm mistaken. Sorry.
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Juno wrote on 2010-05-02 19:27
Quote from Syrphid:
Yeah, but it would be interesting for the positive side to state their moral principle on which they base their judgment.
They cannot, because it would be fatally embarrassing.
I think the problem is more that there isn't really one to state. That's kind of what I've been getting at.
There -was- a debates section, I'm not sure what happened to it. This is relevant to the thread topic so it's ok...just needs to not get out of hand like it has.
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Intex wrote on 2010-05-02 19:32
Why the hell is there such a huge debate on incest.
Isn't the egg being used a donor egg?
You're calling each other morons or idiots when you're all making some valid points.
My email has gotten like 10 new reports on this topic alone because of all the insults being thrown around.
Now I'll go back and shift through 14 pages to edit out the reported stuff =_=
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Arsik wrote on 2010-05-02 19:49
Everyone, please try to keep everything civil. A debate is okay, but when you start flinging insults around, that's when someone is going to have to close a thread and ending the discussion. Since this topic appears to be on the same level as abortion/gay marriage, it can get out of hand. So if you can, play nice, or else everyone is going into time out.
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Everwanderer wrote on 2010-05-02 20:11
I think Chiri? said all that needed to be said, "so what?"
Is it your child? No
Are they your relatives? I don't think so
Should you care? I don't see why should you
Is it wrong? Maybe it is for you, for most people, but, it isn't for them and that's all that matters
An incestuous couple decided to have a child, they're using a surrogate mother and the "real" mother is 72... So what? it is what it is, let it be.
Class dismissed, chill pills everyone for free.
I don't think these are news, nor should tabloid quality articles like this be posted here.
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MrShandavio wrote on 2010-05-02 20:13
Quote from Everwanderer;26057:
I think Chiri? said all that needed to be said, "so what?"
Is it your child? No
Are they your relatives? I don't think so
Should you care? I don't see why should you
Is it wrong? Maybe it is for you, for most people, but, it isn't for them and that's all that matters
An incestuous couple decided to have a child, they're using a surrogate mother and the "real" mother is 72... So what? it is what it is, let it be.
Class dismissed, chill pills everyone for free.
I don't think these are news, nor should tabloid quality articles like this be posted here.
The whole point of a forum and the topics on said forum is to share opinions. If everyone here followed this advice, there'd be no point in having a forum at all.