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Syrphid wrote on 2010-05-02 18:53
Quote from Kazuni;25968:
And that's what they're doing, but you have no way to prove that the kid will either be growing up in a community where they will be bullied and shunned for their parents, or whether they will be growing up in a community that is loving and doesn't care about what their parents are like.
It's just speculation. Saying "so what" might be good for the couple, but it's definitely not for the kid. Also, it doesn't prove anything, and it most certainly does not prove you're right. So like Syrphid did, "proclaiming victory", it was a useless phrase, and imo a waste of time to anyone who read it. There is no "victory" to this argument. It's purely opinion vs opinion, and don't dish out that morals crap, because nobody has the right to define what morals really are, whether they're gut feeling or something else. Since there is no right answer, I don't see why anyone would just say, "I proclaim victory" and expect anyone to go along with that.
You can't guarantee that the kid will grow up to be healthy, or happy, or anything. Yeah yeah yeah, I know there's no way to say they can't, but just turning the sentence around and saying "maybe they won't", to me, isn't a very valid argument.
I proclaimed victory because the 2 people insulting me practically withdrew from the thread in the least graceful way possible: responding to my arguments with insults and asserting that they're still right, anyway. Since they chose not to address my arguments I just wanted to make it clear that they fail.
Quote from Juno;25966:
Not everyone is so liberal in their morality. A net that wide could catch a lot of cases I doubt you'd be ok with such as parent/child consensual incest. I agree that usually that's a good basis, but I do not think it's the foundation of all morality. If you truly believe that it all comes from cold, hard reason then this is a bit of a lost cause though. That's simply not the case though in recent years the notion has become more and more popular. Morality has always been based more on emotion (since it's a social construct) which admittedly tends to follow reason more often than not. That's why you have people gagging over this.
Yeah, but it would be interesting for the positive side to state their moral principle on which they base their judgment.
They cannot, because it would be fatally embarrassing.
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Rebel wrote on 2010-05-02 18:54
I'd be pissed if my dad was my nephew, and my mom was my great grandma.
But whatever, this makes for an awesome movie plot.
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Chockeh wrote on 2010-05-02 18:55
Quote from Adori;25972:
I'd be pissed if my dad was my nephew, and my mom was my great grandma.
But whatever, this makes for an awesome movie plot.
Well if your raised by your grandma being your mom, I guess your point of view would be different.
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Kazuni wrote on 2010-05-02 18:55
Quote from Syrphid;25970:
I proclaimed victory because the 2 people insulting me practically withdrew from the thread in the least graceful way possible: responding to my arguments with insults and asserting that they're still right, anyway. Since they chose not to address my arguments I just wanted to make it clear that they fail.
You're a bit hypocritical, aren't you? It's pretty similar to what you did in that response.
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Rebel wrote on 2010-05-02 18:56
Quote from Chocklitshop;25973:
Well if your raised by your grandma being your mom, I guess your point of view would be different.
I could say, "Mom I don't hate you right now, but great granny is being a big ol ho'."
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Chockeh wrote on 2010-05-02 18:58
Quote from Adori;25975:
I could say, "Mom I don't hate you right now, buy great granny is being a big ol ho'."
xD, the child would be brought up with a messed up notion of parents and grandparents, but w/e.
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Kazuni wrote on 2010-05-02 18:58
Quote from Chocklitshop;25976:
xD, the child would be brought up with a messed up notion of parents and grandparents, but w/e.
Yup..
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Virtue wrote on 2010-05-02 18:59
I am trying to argue a positive ("there is definitely something wrong with incest"). That involves stripping the negative side ("there is nothing wrong with incest") of all support. As you can see, if the negative side advances no evidence, I really have nothing to do. Since they are unable to show that there is anything good about incest, surely the positive side wins by default?
derp
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Rebel wrote on 2010-05-02 18:59
Quote from Chocklitshop;25976:
xD, the child would be brought up with a messed up notion of parents and grandparents, but w/e.
I wonder if it trickles down, if somebody can be their own uncle.
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Syrphid wrote on 2010-05-02 19:00
Quote from Kazuni;25974:
You're a bit hypocritical, aren't you? It's pretty similar to what you did in that response.
I don't think I ever likened anyone's brains to a pastry. I was abrasive, but I don't think any of my attacks were uncalled for or irrelevant to the thread.
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Kazuni wrote on 2010-05-02 19:00
Quote from Adori;25979:
I wonder if it trickles down, if somebody can be their own uncle.
It's very possible. I have too much of a headache to map out exactly what the child is to itself right now.
Quote from Syrphid;25981:
I don't think I ever likened anyone's brains to a pastry. I was abrasive, but I don't think any of my attacks were uncalled for or irrelevant to the thread.
Same could be said for everyone here.
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Chockeh wrote on 2010-05-02 19:01
Quote from Adori;25979:
I wonder if it trickles down, if somebody can be their own uncle.
Wouldn't the child be his dad's uncle ._.
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Syrphid wrote on 2010-05-02 19:02
Quote from Sin;25978:
I am trying to argue a positive ("there is definitely something wrong with incest"). That involves stripping the negative side ("there is nothing wrong with incest") of all support. As you can see, if the negative side advances no evidence, I really have nothing to do. Since they are unable to show that there is anything good about incest, surely the positive side wins by default?
derp
The burden of proof lies on the positive, not the negative. Otherwise,
"you owe me $1000"
"what? why?"
"prove that you don't owe me $1000"
"..."
edit:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophic_burden_of_proof
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Kazuni wrote on 2010-05-02 19:02
Quote from Chocklitshop;25984:
Wouldn't the child be his dad's uncle ._.
If you say so.
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Chockeh wrote on 2010-05-02 19:04
Quote from Kazuni;25987:
If you say so.
Oh no wait, nvm. It won't be the grandmother's real child. So the child will just not have a real mother, and his dad has a grandma fetish or something.