Official G14 trailer

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Fracture wrote on 2010-12-15 20:30

Quote from radionoise;248828:

Even with Lance skills, Elves would still have higher non-trans dex potential... However, Ranged Attack gives 10 more passive max damage to humans over elves, so in terms of raw damage they would come out slightly on top.

Nope. Currently, iirc from the calculations a friend did, elves only have about 5-10 dex on humans without trans. Because elves cannot get lance skills, they fall behind in G14-- the extra passive damage just serves to further accentuate Mabi's true range race.
Kaeporo wrote on 2010-12-15 20:36

Quote from Fracture;248797:
And the rest of us missed the part where your opinion on Human Archers mattered at all. Considering that, with lancing out, Humans have the highest potential dex even without trans...

Say's the guy who is "playing rarely".

Compared to Alchemy, Melee and Magic what the hell do we have? Crash Shot? A single useful skill that can't even compete with a simple golem.
radionoise wrote on 2010-12-15 20:37

Quote from Fracture;248863:
Nope. Currently, iirc from the calculations a friend did, elves only have about 5-10 dex on humans without trans. Because elves cannot get lance skills, they fall behind in G14-- the extra passive damage just serves to further accentuate Mabi's true range race.

Elves get more dex from Support Shot than humans do, so at the moment we have 16 more dex from skills as well as higher base dex from a 1/1 character... Lance skills will only add 11 dex, so it will not be enough to overcome the higher starting stats as well as 5 more dex from skills.

This is the current maximum dex available from skills:

Current Human Total: 431 Dex (Potential 572 Dex)
Current Elf Total: 447 Dex (Potential 588 Dex)

A 17 year old Elf will also start with a base dex of 38, while a human will only start with a base dex of 25... at the age of 13, which is the ideal age for range in both races, an Elf would still start with 5 more dex over a human character.
Aubog007 wrote on 2010-12-15 20:39

Quote from radionoise;248878:
Elves get more dex from Support Shot than humans do, so at the moment we have 16 more dex from skills as well as higher base dex from a 1/1 character... Lance skills will only add 11 dex, so it will not be enough to overcome the higher starting stats as well as 5 more dex from skills.

Talking about passive range damage difference. Ranged attack for elves and humans give varying amounts
radionoise wrote on 2010-12-15 20:46

Quote from Aubog007;248884:
Talking about passive range damage difference. Ranged attack for elves and humans give varying amounts

Yes, which is why I mentioned in my earlier post that humans might have slightly higher damage potential but not higher dex potential as Fracture said.
Navy wrote on 2010-12-15 23:28

Quote from Kaeporo;248877:
Say's the guy who is "playing rarely".

Compared to Alchemy, Melee and Magic what the hell do we have? Crash Shot? A single useful skill that can't even compete with a simple golem.

Maybe you shouldn't have been an archer then, huh?:lol:
Username wrote on 2010-12-15 23:39

Quote from yayforhanna;249084:
Maybe you shouldn't have been an archer then, huh?:lol:

Ranged is ussually superior in PVP. So Archer isnt that weak. Hitting somthing from afar, is better then possibly getting hit. Thats what Melee does, and Magic and Alchemy ussually have that problem too depending on how they fight with their skills. Trust me, i get hit alot because the servers on NA are ****.
Fracture wrote on 2010-12-15 23:53

Quote from Kaeporo;248877:
Say's the guy who is "playing rarely".

Compared to Alchemy, Melee and Magic what the hell do we have? Crash Shot? A single useful skill that can't even compete with a simple golem.

Even if that were relevant in the least, I haven't updated that for ages. I'm playing again. And Crash Shot, if used properly, can come very close to Giant Full Swing which, I'm sure you've noticed, is the most powerful skill in game. Don't even bother comparing to golem, as that's a set of skills being used by a character.

As for the relevance of arguments, though, "Playing Rarely" doesn't factor in much, but being a total 800 in Alexina might.

Quote from radionoise;248878:
Elves get more dex from Support Shot than humans do, so at the moment we have 16 more dex from skills as well as higher base dex from a 1/1 character... Lance skills will only add 11 dex, so it will not be enough to overcome the higher starting stats as well as 5 more dex from skills.

This is the current maximum dex available from skills:

Current Human Total: 431 Dex (Potential 572 Dex)
Current Elf Total: 447 Dex (Potential 588 Dex)

A 17 year old Elf will also start with a base dex of 38, while a human will only start with a base dex of 25... at the age of 13, which is the ideal age for range in both races, an Elf would still start with 5 more dex over a human character.

That's what it was-- forgot to factor in uncapped Support Shot. My bad.
otaku998 wrote on 2010-12-16 01:24

I wonder why we even argue about archer in the first place in this thread....
starpaw7 wrote on 2010-12-16 02:20

It seems they are basing G14 off one of the old movies instead of the play itself, since they look exactly as they do in the film (during the Party) :what:

[Image: http://hermes.hrc.ntu.edu.tw/lctd/comp/novel_film/images/palmers.jpg]
User495 wrote on 2010-12-16 02:38

Quote from starpaw7;249286:
It seem they are basing G14 off one of the old movies instead of the play itself, since they look exactly as they do in the film (during the Party) :what:

[Image: http://hermes.hrc.ntu.edu.tw/lctd/comp/novel_film/images/palmers.jpg]

exactly what I was thinking

I noticed the darker skin for Romeo, and the darkish hair for Juliet, dunno about the attire though
Kenero wrote on 2010-12-16 02:45

Romeo: No I cannot live without you Juliet, I will now kill myself to be with you *suicides*

Juliet: (a second later) lol sorry Romeo, Mabinogi lag for a moment, huh? Are you playing dead?
User495 wrote on 2010-12-16 02:58

Quote from Kenero;249311:
Romeo: No I cannot live without you Juliet, I will now kill myself to be with you *suicides*

Juliet: (a second later) lol sorry Romeo, Mabinogi lag for a moment, huh? Are you playing dead?

LOL:thumb:
Shanghai wrote on 2010-12-16 03:06

Quote from starpaw7;249286:
It seem they are basing G14 off one of the old movies instead of the play itself, since they look exactly as they do in the film (during the Party) :what:

[Image: http://hermes.hrc.ntu.edu.tw/lctd/comp/novel_film/images/palmers.jpg]

Oh! Nice Refrence get! I watched that movie too and it got weird at them finishing the "sex" scene since we were Freshmen back then. :l
User495 wrote on 2010-12-16 03:15

Quote from Shanghai;249331:
Oh! Nice Refrence get! I watched that movie too and it got weird at them finishing the "sex" scene since we were Freshmen back then. :l

LOL SAME my teacher tried to cover it up when they got to that part, some of the students caught a glimpse, I didn't though I was like "wha.. what happened?"

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