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krpr wrote on 2011-01-08 07:28
Considering the current economy problems in alexina it made me go back and try albey red (~1000 lvs later lol). So decided to post results
In my latest run which lasted roughly 10 mins (didn't counted since it may vary from person to person considering each one total), got 10 metal skel fomor scrolls, 10 red skeleton, 5 regular skeleton and 5 mimic. And imo it was one horrible run, was hitting the orbs that opened the door rooms tons of times
edit: oh yea this was without tuesday drop bonus or any +drop pots
Considering metal quest gives 15.9k, red gives 11.1k, normal 7.8k and mimic 6k
This 10 min run was worth 33.9k
Not counting with a huge lucky finish (~+15k), enchanted items such as healer items, will-o-wisp items, multiple pages that can be sold by other players for something like 10k each and teeth patterned boots who can be npced for 4k each
In my opinion only thing one player needs to spam this is a return coupon to tnn and a bunch of red gems which are ridiculous easy to get. As for skills/tactics even rF icebolt/counter does the work. Ofc you wont run it so fast but it's soloable through that way
Now lets see, if everyone does at least 10/runs day. That generates 330k per day for player
if 10 players do it, that's 3.3mil thats generated, by the end of a week, its 23mil that was injected in the economy just with 700 red gems.
:awesome:
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EndlessDreams wrote on 2011-01-08 07:37
Remember, money is not injected into the economy if it isn't used.
Also, for those people who had been spamming Red Gem back in the pre-G4 period or so, it is a really boring dungeon after awhile. Most people would quit pretty fast.
Probably more fun if you just spam Shadow Missions or something. Maybe even the upcoming Theater missions.
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Iyasenu wrote on 2011-01-08 07:41
It's really too bad current monsters don't drop fomor scrolls.
That'd really boost money. xD
You know what I mean by "current" right? D:
Lately all these new monsters don't drop fomors.
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EndlessDreams wrote on 2011-01-08 07:44
Quote from Iyasenu;281594:
It's really too bad current monsters don't drop fomor scrolls.
That'd really boost money. xD
You know what I mean by "current" right? D:
Lately all these new monsters don't drop fomors.
Well, the new monsters in hardmode do drop like 500+ gold. That kind of makes up for the lack of scrolls right?
Not to mention, over the generations, developers found out that the fomor scroll system was just a hassle.
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Iyasenu wrote on 2011-01-08 07:47
It was kind of a hassle...
Speaking of progress...
I don't even know if I'm remember this right, but didn't Mabi implement some sort of Daily Mission thing...
Or... am I wrong? D:
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krpr wrote on 2011-01-08 07:50
Quote from EndlessDreams;281591:
Remember, money is not injected into the economy if it isn't used.
Also, for those people who had been spamming Red Gem back in the pre-G4 period or so, it is a really boring dungeon after awhile. Most people would quit pretty fast.
Probably more fun if you just spam Shadow Missions or something. Maybe even the upcoming Theater missions.
Money is injected into the economy as long as someone has it in their gold bags and it's willing to spend it.
edit: unless you like the newbie clothes you receive when you make your character, im pretty sure a new player would be willing to spend over 1m right away to look presentable. Which means money on noob hands move faster than money on vet hands. So if money is stagnant, it's because vets aren't spending it in buying other players items
And obviously what i said earlier it wasn't definitely for people who is around the server since pre-g4
About shadow missions, one of the most spammed missions here is shadow wiz basic, shadow wiz this, shadow wiz that everyday. Everytime im in taill stalking golden apples and g9 finals most i see i shadow wizes basic.
Once one new player that i helped in her g9 asked me how she could get a good amount of money & xp easily considering her level, it was basic but im not sure how high it was, can't remember. But i recommended her to participate into those shadow wiz runs, each successful ones would give her instantly 11k, and so she did.
The next day i see her again and she tells me she got kicked off one shadow wiz basic because her CP was too low, she was one elf, completely understandable to have less than 600 CP at basic lvs even with r1 range.
What do i mean with this? Just because there's shadow missions, doesn't mean one can run it.
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EndlessDreams wrote on 2011-01-08 08:06
Quote from krpr;281606:
Money is injected into the economy as long as someone has it in their gold bags and it's willing to spend it. And obviously what i said earlier it wasn't definitely for people who is around the server since pre-g4
Not only willing to spend it, but spend it on stuff other players, not npcs, are selling. This is also assuming the person who receives the money isn't just going to just save it for repairs/pots only.
Quote from krpr;281606:
About shadow missions, one of the most spammed missions here is shadow wiz basic, shadow wiz this, shadow wiz that everyday. Everytime im in taill stalking golden apples and g9 finals most i see i shadow wizes basic.
Once one new player that i helped in her g9 asked me how she could get a good amount of money & xp easily considering her level, it was basic but im not sure how high it was, can't remember. But i recommended her to participate into those shadow wiz runs, each successful ones would give her instantly 11k, and so she did.
The next day i see her again and she tells me she got kicked off one shadow wiz basic because her CP was too low, she was one elf, completely understandable to have less than 600 CP at basic lvs even with r1 range.
What do i mean with this? Just because there's shadow missions, doesn't mean one can run it.
That is like saying, just because there is Albey Red, doesn't mean one can run it. That isn't much of an argument at all.
You make it sound like Shadow Wizard is the only way to get money in Shadow Missions for basic level people or something. It is a lot easier to get into Shadow Missions than it is to collect Red Gem, and get to TNN. For some reason, you didn't count the time of collecting gems either, nor for those people who depend solely on other player's fliers.
I guess for some people, killing 50 zombies for that revive quest can be hard due to lack of decent melee skills.
Also, can a person who can run Albey Red gem in 10 minutes be still in the basic/inter level range anymore? Since you are in Alexina, I doubt dungeons will take 10 minutes if there is major monster lag that you people are supposed to be having.
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krpr wrote on 2011-01-08 08:11
Quote from EndlessDreams;281617:
Not only willing to spend it, but spend it on stuff other players, not npcs, are selling. This is also assuming the person who receives the money isn't just going to just save it for repairs/pots only.
That is like saying, just because there is Albey Red, doesn't mean one can run it. That isn't much of an argument at all.
You make it sound like Shadow Wizard is the only way to get money in Shadow Missions for basic level people or something. It is a lot easier to get into Shadow Missions than it is to collect Red Gem, and get to TNN. For some reason, you didn't count the time of collecting gems either, nor for those people who depend solely on other player's fliers.
I guess for some people, killing 50 zombies for that revive quest can be hard due to lack of decent melee skills.
Also, can a person who can run Albey Red gem in 10 minutes be still in the basic/inter level range anymore? Since you are in Alexina, I doubt dungeons will take 10 minutes if there is major monster lag that you people are supposed to be having.
@1st quote, read the edit
You're outdated, it's 10 zombies not 50. Also actually alexina mob spawn lag is relatively decent, they spawn within 5 secs and most of the time their AI takes roughly 10 secs to react after attacked. This in ch1 at rush hour
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Aiyoku wrote on 2011-01-08 10:32
It all boils down to laziness. 80% of Mabi isn't going to red gem for gold. Instead they'll insist on suggesting crappy trades for items they want instead of getting the gold through hard work. That same 80% of Mabi isn't going to do Shadow Missions either though, so methods of making money without the use of real cash isn't the problem, the problem is the lackluster group of stooges Mabi has become. I can't speak for Ruari, Tarlach and Alexina, but Mari is a cesspool of scamming, idiocy and laziness.
You're trying though, and you've found a way to make money so I commend you. =3 It gives me hope that some people on this game still realize you can generate your own funds in this game by actually PLAYING the game.
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Ailyene wrote on 2011-01-08 11:03
I think you just got lucky. =( I don't remember getting that many even on a Tuesday back when I did them...
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krpr wrote on 2011-01-08 11:31
Quote from EndlessDreams;281617:
You make it sound like Shadow Wizard is the only way to get money in Shadow Missions for basic level people or something. It is a lot easier to get into Shadow Missions than it is to collect Red Gem, and get to TNN. For some reason, you didn't count the time of collecting gems either, nor for those people who depend solely on other player's fliers.
easy, shadow wiz. When you party up there's almost no chance anyone in your party will be picking colored gems. I just soloed one shadow wiz basic to simulate that.
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like hell im going to do all those dungeons, but 600k there?
Quote from Ailyene;281745:
I think you just got lucky. =( I don't remember getting that many even on a Tuesday back when I did them...
have to admit i don't remember getting so many metal fomors when i used to spam during my noob days. Much more regular skeleton fomors than metal/red.
But considering most of the rooms i hitted the orb that opened the door instantly, it was a bad run. But it was a dungeon heavily populated with skeletons. That isn't that common too
Quote from Aiyoku;281723:
It all boils down to laziness. 80% of Mabi isn't going to red gem for gold. Instead they'll insist on suggesting crappy trades for items they want instead of getting the gold through hard work. That same 80% of Mabi isn't going to do Shadow Missions either though, so methods of making money without the use of real cash isn't the problem, the problem is the lackluster group of stooges Mabi has become. I can't speak for Ruari, Tarlach and Alexina, but Mari is a cesspool of scamming, idiocy and laziness.
You're trying though, and you've found a way to make money so I commend you. =3 It gives me hope that some people on this game still realize you can generate your own funds in this game by actually PLAYING the game.
true but this way isn't my way of making money, just trying to revive it. I just want people to notice this way of money making before the economy goes even worse.
Atm only gold buyers have power to buy anything.
And im going broke cause nobody buys my crap D:
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Adrianblade wrote on 2011-01-08 14:06
All I can say is that l completely agree with you. I run albey red now everyday and it usually takes me ~12min to finish and thats at a casual pace. Sure it might get boring after a bit but hey what doesnt? I just keep my eye on the prize xD Plus during one run of it 10 teeth patterned boots dropped :shock2:
What saddens me is that most my guildies complain about money but.....they never run anything nor EVER pick up scrolls when they do drop, l mean cmon is it that hard to stop for a second to pick something up thats free money? :sigh:
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Cynic wrote on 2011-01-08 14:11
This is actually an issue for Mari's economy, too. People are too busy farming items for money that they forget to buy/sell things.. you need money.
Rabbie is also a great dungeon for farming scrolls, but as usual.. people are too lazy to spam dungeons, since most of them are too busy leveling and trying to spam Shadow Missions for rare enchants and such.
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ugonna100 wrote on 2011-01-08 14:13
Im in mari and i love trying to run dungeons for money. im not super high level so its usually a challenge and its better than shadow missions (they're very boring honestly..)
Only problem with me is i despise hitting stuff to get gems. I have such bad luck with that. i just keep getting green gems and nonsense around that like nails -_-
If anyone has any spare reds can you mail it to my char? IGN: Ugonna
Not begging or anything.. just randomly thought of this so i edited and put it in there.
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krpr wrote on 2011-01-08 14:19
Quote from ugonna100;281859:
If anyone has any spare reds can you mail it to my char? IGN: Ugonna
just run shadow wiz or shadow warrior or any mission that has grumbils, they drop it at high rate