Control of Darkness: Worth using?

• Fyois wrote on 2011-01-13 19:03
  So I've been on the fence for a while on DK, and I'm just nit picking reasons to go one way or the other. One of the things I'm using to consider it is the active ability, Control of Darkness. I remember from the Ruairi RP that taming a bunch of Lagodhessas slowed down my comp, and I'm wondering if people consider this a reason to not use the ability. Do the DKs out there make heavy use of it? I mean if I had it I'd want to use the hell out of it, especially now that the taming rate has been increased so much. I'm just wondering if it's worth considering.
  
  Note: Please do not give me other reasons to become a dk or stay paladin, I just want to know about control of Darkness.
• Roy Mustang wrote on 2011-01-13 19:15
  I use COD as a play thing now and then...but for 10k a stack, in all honestly, no it's not all worth it.
  
  I've tried at rank 1 to tame a balrog....50 scrolls...nothing!
  
  What the hell is with that.
  
  You can't use it in shadow missions either.
  
  So only time you will use it is in regular dungeons and even then the success rate and the rate that they move and attack simply is not worth the pain.
  
  I rarely if ever use CoD and if I do...it's to attempt to bring along a "pet" to show people in random places.
  
  Basically, consider other pros/cons of dk's and pally's rather than CoD because if you focus on just CoD...it really isn't worth it except for the "fun" factor.
• Fyois wrote on 2011-01-13 19:24
  It doesn't work in the shadow realm? Well balls...I barely even go in regular dungeons anymore. I was mostly thinking I'd use it for swarming rather than trying to tame something really strong. Yeah, it loses a lot of points now that I know that. I wanted to clear their method with a zombie horde and bring them through tara. T.T
  
  Just another thought, two actually. You don't have to weaken stuff first like with taming right? And can you tame field creatures like bears and such?
• Roy Mustang wrote on 2011-01-13 19:35

  Quote from Fyois;289072:

  It doesn't work in the shadow realm? Well balls...I barely even go in regular dungeons anymore. I was mostly thinking I'd use it for swarming rather than trying to tame something really strong. Yeah, it loses a lot of points now that I know that. I wanted to clear their method with a zombie horde and bring them through tara. T.T
  
  Just another thought, two actually. You don't have to weaken stuff first like with taming right? And can you tame field creatures like bears and such?

  
  Correct, you can tame right from the get go without touching the creature and yes you can tame bears and golems on ceo island and ogre warriors (Although it wont' be easy taming ogre warriors, but you can try)
• Yanm wrote on 2011-01-13 19:39
  I think the reason why you can't tame any shadow realm monster is because they don't have any fomor scrolls. Though, that does make you wonder how can you tame the other monsters that don't have them, like Ogre's. Mostly, I see COD being used against Arch Lich, when you want to tame the Bomb Steeds and make them blow up in his face. Other than that, I just see it being used for fun.
• Fyois wrote on 2011-01-13 19:40
  Really? I remember from the RP (that was the first time I'd played that RP and actually made us of CoD), it was pretty easy to tame the little ones.
• Archibald wrote on 2011-01-13 19:45
  If it had a higher success rate I might use it but its success is so low that its just not worth it. You could spend 50-100k taming 1 monster (this doesnt inlcude weak ones which...why bother)
• Fyois wrote on 2011-01-13 19:49

  Quote from Archibald;289084:

  If it had a higher success rate I might use it but its success is so low that its just not worth it. You could spend 50-100k taming 1 monster (this doesnt inlcude weak ones which...why bother)

  
  
  Swarming? Take 20 foxes against a bear. Anyway, does anyone know the current formula for success rates? I can't find it on the wiki in Taming or CoD.
• Roy Mustang wrote on 2011-01-13 19:53

  Quote from Fyois;289088:

  Swarming? Take 20 foxes against a bear. Anyway, does anyone know the current formula for success rates? I can't find it on the wiki in Taming or CoD.

  
  
  The formula the wiki has is 100% inaccurate. I've run through the calculations thousands of times and it never meets the success rate promised to me. I can pull it up if you want but it won't do you any good.
  
  It may work on low cp creatures but for things that have above 2k cp...it's pretty much useless.
• Fyois wrote on 2011-01-13 20:02

  Quote from kingofrunes;289096:

  The formula the wiki has is 100% inaccurate. I've run through the calculations thousands of times and it never meets the success rate promised to me. I can pull it up if you want but it won't do you any good.
  
  It may work on low cp creatures but for things that have above 2k cp...it's pretty much useless.

  
  
  Yeah if you could find it I'd still appreciate having it.
• Roy Mustang wrote on 2011-01-13 20:31

  Quote from Fyois;289111:

  Yeah if you could find it I'd still appreciate having it.

  
  
  http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/index.php?title=Talk:Control_of_Darkness
  
  Discussion page is your friend
  
  (10 + (Rank of Skill * 5)) / Enemy's CP * Player's CP.
  
  Here are my actual findings on it that I posted in the same discussion
  
  

  I'm going to add something here. At the moment I have r3 CoD, 1614CP and was attempting to tame a Balrog with a Black Scar Long Bow with 50 Dark Scrolls. According to your formula I should have had a 42.78% success rate without the bow and a 63.09% success rate with the bow. Using the Bow, I used 50 Scrolls with no Success. There has to be a missing variable here. It could be really rotten luck, but after 50 Scrolls I'm beginning to think otherwise. I welcome others to test this theory.

  
  
  I'd like to add I tested again at r1 with 1800cp being right next to the Balrog with 50 scrolls and still 0 successes. The formula is unreliable so take it as a grain of salt.
• Fyois wrote on 2011-01-13 20:45
  I can't get your mth to work. Without the bow I get you at 38% with (10x(13x5))/3200*1614. Do I have the wrong multiplier? And was this done before or after the taming success rate update.
• Roy Mustang wrote on 2011-01-13 21:54

  Quote from Fyois;289155:

  I can't get your mth to work. Without the bow I get you at 38% with (10x(13x5))/3200*1614. Do I have the wrong multiplier? And was this done before or after the taming success rate update.

  
  
  Formula was done before the update. No further research has been done since then.
  
  Hmm you are right it does come to 37.8% Wonder what I did when I calculated it...
  
  However that point is moot.
  
  However, According to the formula i should now have 49.6% w/o a bow.
  
  I used 50 scrolls after the taming update with 49.5% on a Balrog (according to the formula) and didn't get a single tame.
  
  (r1 CoD and 1865cp)
  
  So with that said...you decide from that bit if it's worth it.
• Cryosite wrote on 2011-01-13 21:56
  I have CoD at rk1, ~1700 cp normally, and access to +2k more via red scar longswords.
  
  I never use it.
• Shizukani wrote on 2011-01-13 22:09
  Not worth it IMO. Your skill points would be wiser used elsewhere.