MABINATION SMALL QUESTIONS THREAD

• Esileruf wrote on 2015-09-12 00:15

  Quote from Rydian;1286321:

  
  Human
  893.25 MP
  1062.75 Int
  R1 Ice Spear
  R1 Ice Mastery
  "Lessen Mana Usage 2% Decrease".
  Savage Ice Wand, no MP usage modifiers.
  Casting during the day for lessened regen.
  
  Ice Spear should cost...
  26 MP normally.
  -20% from Ice Mastery.
  -10.52% from Int (first 10 doesn't count?)
  -2% from the talent bonus.
  

  
  Elf
  1136 MP
  1062 Int
  R1 Thunder
  R1 Thunder Mastery
  "Lessen Mana Usage 3% Decrease".
  Savage Lightning Wand, No modifiers at all.
  Daytime.
  
  Thunder normally costs 36 mana per charge, Assuming directly the same time. I have r1 MWM, and 1062 int, same as you ironically enough, lets work this WITH cast speed modifiers, which should leave us at 2 / 1.15 / 1.1052 =~ 1.57s.
  36 mana per charge
  -20/10.52/3%, resulting in a grand total of -33.52%. Theoretically, Without the cast speed being taken into crunchsideration, 23.9328 is our new mana! With however, We must calc for it. 1.57 / 2 = 0.785x. Resulting in 28.26mp, and with our reduction, 18.79 is our reduced MP cost.
  
  Timing checks out with a stopwatch, lets see how our mana checks out.
  
  MP (Current): 1136
  MP (Current): 1115.8923339844
  Difference=20.107
  Well that certainly CANNOT be almost 24 mana. So cast speed is reducing our mana cost. Missing about a point though, lets see if that 3% makes any difference.
  28.26 * (1 - .3352) = 18.79
  28.26 * (1 - .3052) = 19.64
  Much closer, even for 3%. I severely doubt that its affecting at all, even through the 100~200ms I have, since it doesn't calc full mp anymore, it calcs mp/s and KEEPS that. So your mana drain can actually calculate your lag interestingly enough.
• Rydian wrote on 2015-09-12 00:21

  Quote from spirit2roam;1286338:

  Is "Eternal Rest" from Karu a primary or secondary reward? Wasn't sure if me bringing people was useless or not.

  Any of the books can show up in any of the chests, so bring full parties.
• spirit2roam wrote on 2015-09-12 07:50

  Quote from Rydian;1286341:

  Any of the books can show up in any of the chests, so bring full parties.

  
  
  Oh really? Thanks. Definitely going to run Karu with more people then.
• Chihaya wrote on 2015-09-13 04:22
  Is it a good idea to put the enchant "67th Floor" on weapons like Shurikens or Dual Guns (if they're at all possible)? I have a burn and I'm at a complete loss at what to do with it and I don't want to waste a potion selling it
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-09-13 04:59

  Quote from Chihaya;1286382:

  Is it a good idea to put the enchant "67th Floor" on weapons like Shurikens or Dual Guns (if they're at all possible)? I have a burn and I'm at a complete loss at what to do with it and I don't want to waste a potion selling it

  
  
  No. The piercing effect only occurs if the weapon can get it from base or upgrades, and neither have it.
• Xenmas wrote on 2015-09-13 05:16
  What are the nowadays most efficient money-making methods after all these nerfs/patches to the old ones?
• Rynn wrote on 2015-09-13 05:27

  Quote from Chihaya;1286382:

  Is it a good idea to put the enchant "67th Floor" on weapons like Shurikens or Dual Guns (if they're at all possible)? I have a burn and I'm at a complete loss at what to do with it and I don't want to waste a potion selling it

  
  
  Yes, it's a good idea if you seriously main either skillset. I would not recommend it if you don't main them, since the second best enchant is only 5 max below 67th (girgashiy) and is both cheaper and less risky.
  
  

  Quote from Darkboy132;1286385:

  No. The piercing effect only occurs if the weapon can get it from base or upgrades, and neither have it.

  
  
  Piercing has nothing to do with why people put 67 on guns/shuriken/knuckles.
• Rydian wrote on 2015-09-13 05:35

  Quote from Xenmas;1286386:

  What are the nowadays most efficient money-making methods after all these nerfs/patches to the old ones?

  Ancients if you have lots of -CP gear for higher drop rates, charging lots for synthed dyes (people will pay extra for their color), leftover crystals with normal SMs, etc?
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-09-13 05:43

  Quote from Rynn;1286387:

  Piercing has nothing to do with why people put 67 on guns/shuriken/knuckles.

  
  
  :what: Doesn't the metagame revolve around piercing though? I suppose the huge increase to max damage is noticeable, but is it really worth sacrificing that piercing?
• Jake wrote on 2015-09-13 05:53

  Quote from Chihaya;1286382:

  Is it a good idea to put the enchant "67th Floor" on weapons like Shurikens or Dual Guns (if they're at all possible)? I have a burn and I'm at a complete loss at what to do with it and I don't want to waste a potion selling it

  
  
  Do you care about min/maxing? If so, yes. 67th floor is the best enchant (assuming you get decent rolls) for both shurikens and dual guns. Mostly recommended for shurikens because of the will and how hard it is to cap (1500 cap) will, as well as shurikens low repair cost in general.
  
  That being said you could always end up failing the burn and getting nothing out of it too..
  
  

  Quote from Darkboy132;1286390:

  :what: Doesn't the metagame revolve around piercing though? I suppose the huge increase to max damage is noticeable, but is it really worth sacrificing that piercing?

  
  
  How is it a sacrifice? You can always get another 67th floor, and by saying it's a sacrifice you are assuming the question asker does not already have piercing enabled weapons with 67th floor already on it
• Rynn wrote on 2015-09-13 07:51

  Quote from Darkboy132;1286390:

  :what: Doesn't the metagame revolve around piercing though? I suppose the huge increase to max damage is noticeable, but is it really worth sacrificing that piercing?

  
  
  Which metagame?
  The metagame is final hit/bash/magic/guns/ninja and none of those use piercing.
  
  Lances are only used for judgement blade now, and you can't put 67 on bhafel hunter or royal xbow.
• dinoponera wrote on 2015-09-13 08:17
  anyone know how long the VIP from the welcome back boxs last?
• Roflorz wrote on 2015-09-13 09:25

  Quote from dinoponera;1286400:

  anyone know how long the VIP from the welcome back boxs last?

  
  
  Wiki says 5 for the pack 4. http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Welcome_Back_Pack_4
  
  Can't you also check in the character selection?
• Chihaya wrote on 2015-09-13 16:03

  Quote from Rynn;1286397:

  Which metagame?
  The metagame is final hit/bash/magic/guns/ninja and none of those use piercing.
  
  Lances are only used for judgement blade now, and you can't put 67 on bhafel hunter or royal xbow.

  
  
  "You must spread some reputation around before giving it to Rynn again"
  
  :|
  
  Thanks for the help! I'll try to get a blacksmith to make some Anju's and slap the 67th on it. Thankfully, r1 enchanting does give me about a 80% chance extraction
• callback wrote on 2015-09-13 17:43

  Quote from Darkboy132;1286385:

  No. The piercing effect only occurs if the weapon can get it from base or upgrades, and neither have it.

  
  
  Are we sure about this? What about the mysterious patch note "piercing level is now properly applied" from a while back? Has anyone tested since then?
  
  

  Quote from Jake;1286391:

  You can always get another 67th floor

  
  
  What? It's from an old event gacha. You clearly CANNOT always get more. There are a finite number out there to be bought and used, and every time a burn fails or someone finalizes a weapon with one that's 1 fewer to go around.
  
  

  Quote from Rynn;1286397:

  Which metagame?
  The metagame is final hit/bash/magic/guns/ninja and none of those use piercing.

  
  Unless you're fanatic bashing, but that's about to be phased out by divine 2h. Still, it's a 2h bash stick, and I suspect giants probably love to do that with a vales. The pierce with 67 should be enough to out-perform a fast speed weapon, especially with divine's crit enhance set, compared to a 1h 5 c-enhance fast sword with divine shield.