70 Trillion cubic feet of New Arctic Ice

• Sleeperdial wrote on 2011-01-27 18:01

  Quote from Whyrainfalls;306563:

  Have you seen what I posted yet? I said before that the DATA wasn't faked. The analysis of the data, as performed by people who were not the ones who gathered the data, manipulated the numbers unfairly.
  
  And the Oxford Undergraduate (whether or not they can be considered an authority on the matter aside) have largely supported "global extremism" and have only been against it once before this time.
  
  
  
  Aside from what I put in teal, what is the currently supported theory is that a meteor landed in the gulf of mexico. It isn't about the force of the impact. I think you have the wrong idea.
  
  The impact was not what caused the mass extinction (well it definitely was the cause at the impact location), the effects of the impact was the cause.
  
  The impact caused a lot of chemicals to be kicked up, and caused a lot of volcanoes to become active due to a sudden increase in tectonic activity. A high amount of silicates both from the meteor impact and from the volcanoes formed a layer in the upper atmosphere that reflected a lot of sunlight. Plants died, dinosaurs who ate plants died, dinosaurs who ate dinosaurs who ate plants died. That's the currently supported model.
  
  And about the last comment you made, not everything was dependent on a large amount of sun. Much of the sea life was fine with decreased amounts of light. Phytoplankton don't use massive amounts like plants, rather there is a massive amount of them, and they each do a little. Also, small plants like bryophytes and the small mammals that fed on them were similarly non-affected. In-fact, with a sudden decrease in competition, these kinds of life thrived.

  
  
  I as a person know this isn't true based upon the Bible, but I know that you don't care and that isn't good enough for you so I set about proving it with logic....Except I don't know enough right now to prove it so I admit defeat for now.:fail:
  But thats only for the meteor theory mind you.:glasses:
• Kueh wrote on 2011-01-27 18:04

  Quote from Sleeperdial;306568:

  I as a person know this isn't true based upon the Bible, but I know that you don't care and that isn't good enough for you so I set about proving it with logic....Except I don't know enough right now to prove it so I admit defeat for now.:fail:
  But thats only for the meteor theory mind you.:glasses:

  
  
  I, as a person open to most views, don't see how this conflicts with the bible.
• Cucurbita wrote on 2011-01-27 18:10

  Quote from Spartaaaaa;305817:

  Because cycles of warm and cold climate don't happen naturally right? The amount of CO2 we spew out isn't nearly as much as what comes out of volcanoes.

  
  
  DOWN WITH THE VOLCANOES.
• Selithia wrote on 2011-01-27 18:28

  Quote from Sleeperdial;306568:

  I as a person know this isn't true based upon the Bible, but I know that you don't care and that isn't good enough for you so I set about proving it with logic....Except I don't know enough right now to prove it so I admit defeat for now.

  
  
  As someone who used to be catholic I don't see it either. Also the bible says that eating shellfish is an abomination and that it's okay to beat your children so I dunno man.
• Sleeperdial wrote on 2011-01-27 18:33

  Quote from Selithia;306597:

  As someone who used to be catholic I don't see it either. Also the bible says that eating shellfish is an abomination and that it's okay to beat your children so I dunno man.

  
  
  No it doesn't, Catholics say that, the Bible doesn't. This is why I don't like denominations, too confusing. I prefer to get my religion straight from the book.
  
  Also the Bible says the Flood wiped out dinosaurs, it also says we were created not evolved, and the earth is only hundreds of thousands of years old instead of millions and billions.
  
  And don't be so defensive, it wasn't meant that way. I'm basically saying I'll argue my thoughts on your terms not on mine.
• Cucurbita wrote on 2011-01-27 18:34

  Quote from Selithia;306597:

  As someone who used to be catholic I don't see it either. Also the bible says that eating shellfish is an abomination and that it's okay to beat your children so I dunno man.

  
  
  Well if we lived word for word by the bible this would be a pretty ****ed up world.
  As someone who has read the whole thing about 3 times I can definitely vouche for this.
  
  Unless there were translation errors or misinterpretations throughout the ages, there are tons of things we commonly do that we never should, and plenty of things every one of us would refuse to do that we're supposed to do.
• Phunkie wrote on 2011-01-27 18:37

  Quote from Sleeperdial;306541:

  That seems like a thought out theory somewhat, but if a meteor shower of that size hit then, why hasn't it happened again at SOME point of time.

  
  
  The rate of impact from large objects is significantly lower than smaller objects like the thousand tons of rock that enter Earth's atmosphere per day.
  
  During the Hadeon period (right after when the Solar System first formed), there were tons of impacts by large colliders, but as time progressed, these large objects broke down to smaller and smaller fragments as more collisions occurred. This material also went to form the terrestrial planets, so you can imagine that most of the large material was cleared away.
  
  And why hasn't it happened again, you say? Because we're lucky.
  
  A few months ago, an asteroid cruised by Earth (between us and the Moon). It could've meant devastation had an object like this actually hit us. We're always on the watch for near-Earth asteroids and objects. It's nice to predict these things. I dunno what we could possibly do to avoid a collision though, but I'm pretty sure there's a bunch of ideas.
• Sleeperdial wrote on 2011-01-27 18:46

  Quote from Phunkie;306614:

  The rate of impact from large objects is significantly lower than smaller objects like the thousand tons of rock that enter Earth's atmosphere per day.
  
  During the Hadeon period (right after when the Solar System first formed), there were tons of impacts by large colliders, but as time progressed, these large objects broke down to smaller and smaller fragments as more collisions occurred. This material also went to form the terrestrial planets, so you can imagine that most of the large material was cleared away.
  
  And why hasn't it happened again, you say? Because we're lucky.
  
  A few months ago, an asteroid cruised by Earth (between us and the Moon). It could've meant devastation had an object like this actually hit us. We're always on the watch for near-Earth asteroids and objects. It's nice to predict these things. I dunno what we could possibly do to avoid a collision though, but I'm pretty sure there's a bunch of ideas.

  
  Lucky.....or.....
• Phunkie wrote on 2011-01-27 18:47

  Quote from Sleeperdial;306624:

  Lucky.....or.....

  
  
  Lucky or?
• Sleeperdial wrote on 2011-01-27 18:47

  Quote from Phunkie;306625:

  Lucky or?

  
  
  Divine intervention.
• Phunkie wrote on 2011-01-27 18:48

  Quote from Sleeperdial;306627:

  Divine intervention.

  
  
  If you wanna put it that way.
  
  But why would God protect us from an asteroid and yet not protect all those people out there dying from hunger?
  
  It makes little sense.
• Sleeperdial wrote on 2011-01-27 18:57
  Because He's not gonna let mass murder happen at the hands of nature. He created people with free will which is why he lets people hurt other people. He has a personal plan for everyone, ever. If they're hungry now and if they follow his plan for you they'll come out better in the end. Before I say anything else, I'm not gonna force my beliefs on you if you don't want to hear it. Thats where just about everyone goes wrong. I don't plan an contributing to that.
• Cucurbita wrote on 2011-01-27 18:59
  This discussion makes my insides churn.
  
  You can't convince a religious man that it wasn't God.
  You can't convince a atheist man that it was God.
  
  You just can't. In the end the only thing that happens is both parties are just upset and we get nowhere.
  
  I thought thats why we're not allowed to bring religion into discussion or something like that. I forgot what the rules on that were.
• Lan wrote on 2011-01-27 19:03

  Quote from Cucurbita;306637:

  This discussion makes my insides churn.
  
  You can't convince a religious man that it wasn't God.
  You can't convince a atheist man that it was God.
  
  You just can't. In the end the only thing that happens is both parties are just upset and we get nowhere.
  
  I thought thats why we're not allowed to bring religion into discussion or something like that. I forgot what the rules on that were.

  
  
  Why the heck is this discussion even happening HERE in the first place?
• Phunkie wrote on 2011-01-27 19:03

  Quote from Sleeperdial;306634:

  Because He's not gonna let mass murder happen at the hands of nature. He created people with free will which is why he lets people hurt other people. He has a personal plan for everyone, ever. If they're hungry now, if they follow his plan for you they'll come out better in the end. Before I say anything else, I'm not gonna force my beliefs on you if you don't want to hear it. Thats where just about everyone goes wrong. I don't plan an contributing to that.

  
  
  But "mass murders" do occur at the hands of nature every year. Earthquakes, tsunamis, hurricanes.
  
  How is an asteroid impact any different from any of these?
  
  And thank you. I don't mind your beliefs. I just think that if God indeed exists, he doesn't interfere with us. Doing so would be unfair and a direct violation of this supposed free will he has granted us. If he's real, he doesn't ask anything of us, just to be good people.
  
  But perhaps that's just a personal philosophy of mine, instead of what a true Christian god is like.
  
  
  

  Quote from Lan;306639:

  Why the heck is this discussion even happening HERE in the first place?

  
  
  lmao I dunno!