A rant on Nexon's screw-ups for humans.

• Cryosite wrote on 2011-01-29 02:05

  Quote from Whyrainfalls;308851:

  Actually, if you look at creatures in real life, the bigger ones move most slowly. Muscles are pretty much built the same for all mammals. Using the same machinery, larger animals need to move more mass around. Think how fast a mouse can run, and compare that to how fast an elephant can run.

  
  
  Take a look at most Olympic athletes in running events. They're taller. Short people have to take more steps during 100m than a tall person does. Longer stride matters a lot.
  
  In your example, a mouse only really appears to be moving faster due to it's size. an elephant gets from point A to point B faster.
  
  Look at animals like the cheetah. they run faster, despite muscles being muscles, because of how their stride works, and how the layout of their skeleton allows for that stride. Look at fast running birds, and notice they have long legs, and longer strides.
  
  In mabi, humans and elves are basically the same speed. But for mysterious reasons, humans just jog around, while elves actually sprint. Giants you will notice also tend to jog... but they move faster than humans because of their longer stride.
• Zeo wrote on 2011-01-29 02:09
  I love how people keep blaming everything on Nexon when they didn't make the contents, DevCAT did. Nexon is just the host of the game.
  
  Plus human have lot of advantages that giants and elves doesn't have. More color options for their character creations, more hairstyles, and more eyes as well. Plus they can wear a Heavy armor which elves can't do, and humans can do ranged which giants cannot do so.
  
  Humans also can learn Final Hit, or Arrow Revolver, which either of the races cannot learn as well. Plus they have two transformation to choose from, while giants and elves are stuck with one.. plus there's pets that trans into Paladin or Dark Knight as well..
  
  However... I do agree with you about the human speed though, they're so slow.
• Arus wrote on 2011-01-29 02:13

  Quote from Arsik;308764:

  And I'm sure Elfchemists and Giant Alchemists would also love to do G1-G3 to become a Royal Alchemist. That's 330 journal points that they can't get. Then there's the Paladin/Dark Knight thing. If a Human choses, s/he can get to a Champion, get the 50 journal points for that, then switch over to Infra Black and get another 50 points, just like how you can switch from supporting Elves to supporting Giants, and still be able to have the points count for both of them. So there's 430 points that Elves/Giants can't get access to.

  
  Journals were readjusted for race equality in G12, so those points are no longer an issue.
  
  

  Quote from Arsik;308764:

  And let's not forget the main thing: End game, Humans will triumph over Elves and Giants, since Humans are the class that excels at everything. Sure, their melee won't hit as high as Giants, and they can't spam Ice Spear or Magnum like Elves, but if they come up to a monster that is immune to a certain branch of combat, a Human can easily switch styles and still dominate, where as Elves and Giants are focused more on range/melee respectively, meaning if they meet a monster that has NS3/HS3, then they have to switch to a weaker branch of combat to counter that, thus diminishing their overall effectiveness.

  
  The problem with this argument is that in order for it to be truly effective, you have to place characters of each race in the unlikely scenario that they are soloing something ridiculously difficult or cheap. In another thread, you brought up Peaca Int, which isn't at all designed for solo play. In a party, you might make the case that when it comes to enemies with such passive defenses, other races would have to sit around and let the others kill for them (particularly when it came to giants against enemies strictly vulnerable to ranged). That may be true, but when the non-humans already plow through enemies weak to their specialties while the humans just do relatively average damage against everything, their "overall effectiveness" isn't that much worse (with the exception of Throwing Attack vs. whatever, but that's an issue for another day). And anyway, things like Peaca are really just special cases. As Cryosite mentioned, level 3 PDs are pretty rare and pretty much isolated to dungeons you wouldn't run that often. I wouldn't consider them a totally crippling factor in that regard.
• Cannibal wrote on 2011-01-29 02:14
  Devcat is one of Nexon's developmental teams. Therefore, it IS Nexon.
• Kueh wrote on 2011-01-29 02:14

  Quote from Cryosite;308860:

  Take a look at most Olympic athletes in running events. They're taller. Short people have to take more steps during 100m than a tall person does. Longer stride matters a lot.
  
  Olympics is kind of a bad example to prove your point. Shorter people, in general, move more quickly. In the olympics, you need to look at fast metabolic vs slow oxidative muscles. Shorter people tend to have more fast metabolic muscles, which means they tend to finish 100m dashes faster. Tall people do distance.
  
  In your example, a mouse only really appears to be moving faster due to it's size. an elephant gets from point A to point B faster.
  
  As I've said, if the distance between point A and point B is only a few meters, the mouse wins. Even if it's about 50 meters, the mouse will win. If its a distance of several miles, the mouse would likely die before it finished, it doesn't have much to do with speed at that point.
  
  Look at animals like the cheetah. they run faster, despite muscles being muscles, because of how their stride works, and how the layout of their skeleton allows for that stride. Look at fast running birds, and notice they have long legs, and longer strides.
  
  Again, kind of bad examples for you. Look at fast running birds: very small, less weight to carry. Look at cheetahs: usually 2/3rds the size of their prey. Slower animals tend to be able to move more quickly than larger ones because there is less weight to move, but the mechanisms to move them are the same.

  
  
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• Joker wrote on 2011-01-29 02:17

  Quote from Mike;308859:

  Crash shot isn't a transformation skill, therefore your point is invalid.

  
  
  I beg to differ.. Crash shot in a sense IS a transformation skill.. and for fullswing being a transformation skill and elven missile.. we can only use them WITH trans.. if i could use fullswing out of trans.. it would be OP... Crash shot is more useful being out of trans then having it just TRANS... so my argument is valid thank u very much
  
  Not to mention crash shot ignores protection for crit.... thats OP imo..
• Chromatic wrote on 2011-01-29 02:18

  Quote from Joker;308872:

  I beg to differ.. Crash shot in a sense IS a transformation skill.. and for fullswing being a transformation skill and elven missile.. we can only use them WITH trans.. if i could use fullswing out of trans.. it would be OP... Crash shot is more useful being out of trans then having it just TRANS... so my argument is valid thank u very much

  
  
  It's still invalid because im human and i have crash shot lol
• EndlessDreams wrote on 2011-01-29 02:20

  Quote from Arus;308867:

  
  The problem with this argument is that in order for it to be truly effective, you have to place characters of each race in the unlikely scenario that they are soloing something ridiculously difficult or cheap. In another thread, you brought up Peaca Int, which isn't at all designed for solo play. In a party, you might make the case that when it comes to enemies with such passive defenses, other races would have to sit around and let the others kill for them (particularly when it came to giants against enemies strictly vulnerable to ranged). That may be true, but when the non-humans already plow through enemies weak to their specialties while the humans just do relatively average damage against everything, their "overall effectiveness" isn't that much worse (with the exception of Throwing Attack vs. whatever, but that's an issue for another day). And anyway, things like Peaca are really just special cases. As Cryosite mentioned, level 3 PDs are pretty rare and pretty much isolated to dungeons you wouldn't run that often. I wouldn't consider them a totally crippling factor in that regard.

  
  
  In Peaca Inter, Giants are almost impossible to stay alive for the fact they cannot hide or play dead when a room of Ghast spawns...
  
  If anything, Devcat seems to hate Giants the most. Giants seem to get the short end of the stick in almost everything. Only recently has some of the content improved for Giants.
  
  Devcat seems to favor humans the most because most of the player base is humans. Most of the features/generations in the game can be used by humans. Most of the fashionogi clothing can be used by humans.
  
  The bonus to doing G1-G3 is you get a few hundred show off points in your journal as well.
• Malogg wrote on 2011-01-29 02:20
  Okay, first of all, stop trolling. Giants have way more to complain about than humans, I assure you. yet I have never trolled this much.
  
  

  First of all, humans had to deal with bulky underwear for like the first 8 generations (I really don't know, but they had to go with it for a long time) and I think that's insane. Bulky breasts and chests and asses... that's just not natural! I mean, if you saw someone in real life, walking around with a bulky chest, wouldn't you just stop and stare? I know I would. Real women aren't built like that! At least, I've never see a real woman like that. I understand that it's been fixed, but the poor humans still had to live through all those generations looking disgustingly disfigured!

  
  
  You're going to talk to me about being disfigured?!? Need I point out all of the giant glitches that are still occurring? Plus, the humans were like that since the very beginning of the game. it has nothing to do with nexon hate, it's just that their 3d design wasn't as good then as it is now. If you expect the design and graphics of mabi to look like a ps3, you are in for a lot of disappointment.
  
  

  And what about that running speed? I mean, holy hell! Humans run slower than those pampered giants who excel at combat extremely early on! You would think that humans, being smaller than the pampered giants, would run faster! But noooo, it can't be like that, because Nexon hates humans so much. Do you know how long it takes to go from town to town with a human's running speed? I mean, it's a real turn off!

  
  
  For the millionth time, we have longer legs, therefor run faster. Anyway, mounts remove all need for fast running speed. You'd have a difficult time finding a human, or any race, without a mount. However, I do see your point. Humans should be a tad bit faster.
  
  

  On another note, what the hell is up with those generation quests? Yeah, I'm talking about G1-G3! Now, I understand that G1 and G3 can be skipped, but it's still just so god damn unfair! Elves and giants don't have to do G1-G3, now do they?! No! They don't! Humans may actually feel pressured into doing G1 and G3 so that they aren't called "nubs"! Well that's just totally unfair! I can't understand why Nexon would do something like this to the poor humans! Nexon is promoting peer pressure! Do you know what peer pressure does? It's obviously the reason why our world is so corrupt! Nexon is the reason why the planet earth is so corrupt.

  
  
  Okay, calm down, drama queen. Giants and elves have our own quests for trans. And don't forget how we were excluded from Project RM. I wish I could do G1-3, they seem fun.
  
  

  And while I'm on the topic of G1-G3, what's the Paladin and Dark Knight bullcrap? You're telling me that humans are lucky enough to choose? They are lucky enough to choose a side? And then they are lucky enough to battle against their fellow humans that are on the other side in an arena?

  
  
  Fixed. Stop *****ing. Being able to choose your trans is a privilege. You should be glad you are able to choose.
  
  

  I honestly cannot believe Nexon would do something like this. Forcing a race against it's own... such a terrible company. And you know what else? Paladins are white. Dark Knights are black. White vs. Black. That's... that's racism! Nexon is a racist company! It wants the whites and the blacks to go against each other! My mind is spinning due to all the hate that Nexon has for these poor humans!

  
  
  Holy ****. Are you serious?!? This must be a joke. White vs. black is not racism. It represents good vs. evil. it is a symbol widely used in stories across the world. Skin color has nothing to do with it. This symbolism dates back very, very far. I repeat, stop being a drama queen.
  

  
  Oh, and what about arrows? Those pesty little elves get to shoot two arrows! But humans?! Only one! One arrow! And they have to walk before they shoot it! What if the human is in trouble? What if walking will get the human killed?! The humans must risk their lives in order to shoot one arrow! It's utterly disgusting. And while I'm on the topic of arrows, humans can't even shoot arrows off of a mount! What the hell is this?! Has Nexon gone mad?!

  
  
  I'm simply amazed you would even have the guts to say something so... thick. Do I seriously need to explain this to you?! These are the abilities that make elves unique. If you stole these abilities from the elves, you would be ruining the entire purpose of having different races in mabi. These are not godly powers, elves have their pros and cons just like any other race.
  
  

  So by now I'm sure that it's apparent to you that Nexon hates humans more than any other race. Let's stand up against Nexon for human rights!

  
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  No. Just no.
• Cannibal wrote on 2011-01-29 02:21

  Quote from Joker;308872:

  I beg to differ.. Crash shot in a sense IS a transformation skill.. and for fullswing being a transformation skill and elven missile.. we can only use them WITH trans.. if i could use fullswing out of trans.. it would be OP... Crash shot is more useful being out of trans then having it just TRANS... so my argument is valid thank u very much
  
  Not to mention crash shot ignores protection for crit.... thats OP imo..

  
  
  It is still invalid. Elves can use crash shot and they have magic missile. The point was that pallies DO NOT have a transformation skill.
• Chromatic wrote on 2011-01-29 02:22

  Quote from DarkLord7;308876:

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  you're taking it way too seriously
• Joker wrote on 2011-01-29 02:23
  @Darklord7 Thank you..
  
  ok ok.. heres what I think...
  this is getting wayyy to far out of hand and allot of this is Biased bs...
  
  *I REQUEST A MOD CLOSE THIS THREAD*
• Kueh wrote on 2011-01-29 02:27

  Quote from DarkLord7;308876:

  Okay, first of all, stop trolling. Giants have way more to complain about than humans, I assure you. yet I have never trolled this much.

  
  
  As I've said before, ignoring some problems because there are more serious ones is not the way to act. Nothing will get done.
  
  Also, if you want to make your opinions heard, a lot more people will respect and even adopt your view if you talk rationally, and compassionately.
  
  Giants definitely need some serious help with how they've been treated, but that doesn't mean you should ignore the other races to do it. That's just doing what you already did to giants.
• Piero wrote on 2011-01-29 02:27
  This is kind of true. I freaking hate how I try to outrun a mob when I'm hardly jogging.
• Malogg wrote on 2011-01-29 02:29

  Quote from Joker;308882:

  @Darklord7 Thank you..
  
  ok ok.. heres what I think...
  this is getting wayyy to far out of hand and allot of this is Biased bs...
  
  *I REQUEST A MOD CLOSE THIS THREAD*

  
  
  I second this.