Grammar Nazis

• Bride wrote on 2011-02-06 13:21
  lolll o_o
  that wasn't necessarily directed towards you 8|
  i've seen other people who were strict about grammar state that, which is why i said it in the first place
  guess i should've said "you" in a more general sense, sorryyy
  
  and i disagree, they ARE still perfectly understandable to me, whether the grammar or punctuation are off or not
  i just think people should relax a little more; not everyone cares about typing with perfect grammar, and it should be left alone rather than give a lecture about why it should be perfected o_o
  
  also, correcting should only be done when they ask for it, at least imo. it's useless bothering when the person you're trying to help doesn't care to hear it
  
  because still, to me, in the end grammar on the internet really doesn't matter
  and even though my text isn't typed to perfection, really, anyone on here can understand what i said. i'm not being disrespectful to anyone, i'm just typing how i'm satisfied with, and honestly, that's enough for me
• Wing wrote on 2011-02-06 17:14
  I would correct someone just to piss them off. :)
• paladin wrote on 2011-02-06 17:27
  I see grammar nazi in this view
  The person wont change how they type
  Why waste your time and energy trying to correct them when you can just get your ideas across and move on
  Even if your like cyro and consider it rude you go out in real life and try to correct every rude person?
• Adelynn wrote on 2011-02-06 19:47

  Quote from Tatsu;320340:

  Both are acceptable. Usually depends on which region you're from. I prefer disc.
  
  
  
  I use meh as indifference as well.
  
  I'm barely okay with the first one. The second one makes me cringe.
  
  I don't tap enter in 'units'. I usually type out the entire sentence I'm about to say first before I tap it. Unless it's for dramatic effect. Then I tap enter after units.
  
  I talk to people who enjoy writing. And thus, we point out each others typos pretty quickly even in the middle of an epic debate and don't think much of it.
  
  I don't give a damn about grammar structure unless it's something like what Charlie did in the beginning of "Flowers for Algernon". I had trouble getting past that part, for both the novel and short story. Personally, I prefer imperfect grammar structure. It gives character and personality IMO.
  
  Also doesn't helped I've read a visual novel that had completely perfect grammar. And that really bugged me. Even the idiotic, energetic sub-protagonist had perfect grammar that was totally out of character due to impeccable quality checks by the translation team.

  
  
  I have instances where grammar is really important to me,too, even though mine is flawed; I feel sure of this almost all the time. I had the hardest time being interested in "All the Pretty Horses" because it was downright confusing in a way that isn't really clever, just annoying.
  
  @Mama: I notice you don't capitalize the beginning of sentences, but you capitalize "I" and you use punctuation. I'm curious as to why that is. Is it just the importance of referring to the self or something else? Just curiosity. I didn't realize until just now. XD
• Phunkie wrote on 2011-02-06 19:52
  I love to write correctly, but I hate seeing people correct others for the littlest things.
  
  For example...
  
  
  

  Oh ya, I saw dat yesterday when I went to dunbrton.

  
  
  

  Oh, when I got there, the delegates had already disappeared. So I didn't get a chance to see 'em.
  
  Also, learn to spell.
  
  that* Dunbarton*

  
  
  It's like, Person B... stfu. You don't have to correct everyone every single time. That's just annoying and rude. Who cares if someone likes to type "dat" instead of "that"? And what if that person accidentally forgot the A in "dunbrton"?
  
  It's not that big of a deal. I personally believe that if I can understand you with ease, you're doing good. I'm not gonna be like, oh, learn to spell. It's so elitist and annoying.
• Lan wrote on 2011-02-06 20:00
  I hate it when people use Leet speak. While I can still understand it, I would prefer it if they write properly.
• Adelynn wrote on 2011-02-06 20:03
  Leet isn't even cool to me, just annoying.
  Look, I don't CARE that you can inconvenience yourself and others by typing this way.
  
  Even so, I don't usually correct people. The only times I do, I'm already really irritated.
• Cryosite wrote on 2011-02-06 20:05

  Quote from tink;322871:

  lolll o_o
  that wasn't necessarily directed towards you 8|
  i've seen other people who were strict about grammar state that, which is why i said it in the first place
  guess i should've said "you" in a more general sense, sorryyy
  
  and i disagree, they ARE still perfectly understandable to me, whether the grammar or punctuation are off or not
  i just think people should relax a little more[1]; not everyone cares about typing with perfect grammar, and it should be left alone rather than give a lecture about why it should be perfected o_o
  
  also, correcting should only be done when they ask for it, at least imo. it's useless bothering when the person you're trying to help doesn't care to hear it
  
  because still, to me, in the end grammar on the internet really doesn't matter[2]
  and even though my text isn't typed to perfection, really, anyone on here can understand what i said. i'm not being disrespectful to anyone, i'm just typing how i'm satisfied with, and honestly, that's enough for me[3]

  
  
  1)You imply that typing with proper grammar is somehow not relaxed. That is just it, it is relaxed. Once you focus on it for awhile, it becomes natural to to use it properly, and becomes unnatural to do it improperly. Maybe it is somehow relaxing to you to randomly throw letters down and hope they come close enough to English to make sense to people, but it most certainly is not relaxing to read it.
  
  No, it is just plain laziness on your part. Laziness to not put forth the initial effort to learn and grow accustomed to doing things the right way. And through that laziness you make it harder for others to understand you. Can people figure out what you are saying? Yes they can. But it is easier when it is done properly. That is why it is rude. You're doing less "effort" yourself and pushing that on other people.
  
  2) The internet is not special. Communication is communication, regardless of where or how it is done. Seeking to be as clear as possible matters always. If the internet had some kind of limitation on it, like cell phones do, about how easy it is to type and/or significant character limits then there would be a special case. Neither of those is true for a forum setting though.
  
  3)It may be enough for you, but communication involves more than just you. While you are certainly free to treat others as you wish, there are words to describe some of those ways you can treat a person. What you are doing is inconsiderate. People typically don't like it when others are inconsiderate toward them. If you are OK with being inconsiderate towards others, that is your decision. Just don't be so upset when others make decisions in reaction to your rudeness. Plain and simple. Treat others as you wish to be treated and all that.
  
  

  Quote from paladin;322969:

  I see grammar nazi in this view
  The person wont change how they type
  Why waste your time and energy trying to correct them when you can just get your ideas across and move on
  Even if your like cyro and consider it rude you go out in real life and try to correct every rude person?

  
  
  Some people do change how they type. If someone is deadset on being a closed-minded buffoon, then I won't try to change them. You can't help those who won't be helped. But not everyone is like that, and you would be quite surprised at how many people actually do appreciate the help, and you would further be surprised at the people who just simple haven't looked at it the way I do, and have changed after some discussion.
  
  I don't consider the attempts to help others a waste of energy. If I help even one person, it was worth it.
  
  As for things done in real life, yes I have actually corrected people around me for being rude. Some people don't realize they are being rude, and I have many times pulled them to the side and explained what they were doing and the effects they were having.
  
  If there is some guy standing on the street cursing at people, no I'm not going to go and tell him he's being rude... it is obvious he is trolling and intends to be rude.
  
  The difference here is that by starting this thread, I am inviting people whom might be curious to read, and perhaps see something. They don't need to even post, but by reading I have politely shown them that they may have been rude without realizing it, and maybe, just maybe I've gotten some people to at least think about how they type, and how people see what they've typed, and encouraged them to be more mindful of striving to be understood. This is a non-confrontational way to point such things out.
  
  This thread is also an attempt to help reign in some of the abusive folks playing around as grammar nazis, who are behaving badly themselves.
• Navy wrote on 2011-02-06 20:14

  Quote from Protoman;319857:

  I'm semi grammer nazi.
  
  My favorite activity involves talking to my grammer-nazi bro when we're both really tired, so we make spelling mistakes and typos everywhere and make huge deals out of them. :D

  
  
  grammar*
• TA wrote on 2011-02-06 20:17

  Quote from Cryosite;319840:

  PS: please point out any mistakes I have made in this post. I welcome them.

  
  
  It was about 10 paragraphs too long.
• Bride wrote on 2011-02-06 20:55
  @Cryosite really.
  i was implying being relaxed means not lecturing/correcting people when their typing doesn't fit YOUR standards
  i insist, it's not being rude and inconsiderate, that's just what you think because it's not how you like it
  
  also i think it's sad how some people can't type how they choose without getting bothered by others about it. honestly, if you feel the need to help people, go volunteer somewhere. it'll do more good than correcting people, who, for the most part, don't care to be corrected
  
  

  3)It may be enough for you, but communication involves more than just you. While you are certainly free to treat others as you wish, there are words to describe some of those ways you can treat a person. What you are doing is inconsiderate. People typically don't like it when others are inconsiderate toward them. If you are OK with being inconsiderate towards others, that is your decision. Just don't be so upset when others make decisions in reaction to your rudeness. Plain and simple. Treat others as you wish to be treated and all that.

  
  you're taking this waaay overboard. it's merely TYPING o_o
  if you take offense to someone typing how they prefer (which it seems like since you go out of your way to change their typing to your liking), you're way too sensitive
  
  

  Communication is communication, regardless of where or how it is done.

  
  exactly, and as long as one another is understood, there really is no need to change how the other types
  
  

  You're doing less "effort" yourself and pushing that on other people.

  
  pushing other people would be lecturing and correcting them to my liking :)
  
  honestly there are much better and efficient ways to be more helpful than this, and i assure you you'll get more gratitude by volunteering somewhere than you will correcting someone on a forum
  
  edit: BAWW i didnt mean to sound mean or b*tchy just stating my opinion :(
• Adelynn wrote on 2011-02-06 21:58
  @Cryosite: I don't like that people don't capitalize, but I wouldn't call them rude for it. I do agree that people can be relaxed when using capitalization, punctuation, et cetera, though. The way you put things makes you come across as rude to them, and if you don't mind me saying, the overall tone of your post gets to feel obnoxious.
  
  My apologies in advance if that offends you, but I feel like you can handle an honest opinion. It's not like you have to agree with it.
• Navy wrote on 2011-02-06 22:05

  Quote from Cryosite;323117:

  1)You imply that typing with proper grammar is somehow not relaxed. That is just it, it is relaxed. Once you focus on it for awhile, it becomes natural to to use it properly, and becomes unnatural to do it improperly. Maybe it is somehow relaxing to you to randomly throw letters down and hope they come close enough to English to make sense to people, but it most certainly is not relaxing to read it.
  
  No, it is just plain laziness on your part. Laziness to not put forth the initial effort to learn and grow accustomed to doing things the right way. And through that laziness you make it harder for others to understand you. Can people figure out what you are saying? Yes they can. But it is easier when it is done properly. That is why it is rude. You're doing less "effort" yourself and pushing that on other people.
  
  2) The internet is not special. Communication is communication, regardless of where or how it is done. Seeking to be as clear as possible matters always. If the internet had some kind of limitation on it, like cell phones do, about how easy it is to type and/or significant character limits then there would be a special case. Neither of those is true for a forum setting though.
  
  3)It may be enough for you, but communication involves more than just you. While you are certainly free to treat others as you wish, there are words to describe some of those ways you can treat a person. What you are doing is inconsiderate. People typically don't like it when others are inconsiderate toward them. If you are OK with being inconsiderate towards others, that is your decision. Just don't be so upset when others make decisions in reaction to your rudeness. Plain and simple. Treat others as you wish to be treated and all that.
  
  
  
  Some people do change how they type. If someone is deadset on being a closed-minded buffoon, then I won't try to change them. You can't help those who won't be helped. But not everyone is like that, and you would be quite surprised at how many people actually do appreciate the help, and you would further be surprised at the people who just simple haven't looked at it the way I do, and have changed after some discussion.
  
  I don't consider the attempts to help others a waste of energy. If I help even one person, it was worth it.
  
  As for things done in real life, yes I have actually corrected people around me for being rude. Some people don't realize they are being rude, and I have many times pulled them to the side and explained what they were doing and the effects they were having.
  
  If there is some guy standing on the street cursing at people, no I'm not going to go and tell him he's being rude... it is obvious he is trolling and intends to be rude.
  
  The difference here is that by starting this thread, I am inviting people whom might be curious to read, and perhaps see something. They don't need to even post, but by reading I have politely shown them that they may have been rude without realizing it, and maybe, just maybe I've gotten some people to at least think about how they type, and how people see what they've typed, and encouraged them to be more mindful of striving to be understood. This is a non-confrontational way to point such things out.
  
  This thread is also an attempt to help reign in some of the abusive folks playing around as grammar nazis, who are behaving badly themselves.

  
  
  That seemed pretty arrogant, there is a big difference between typing to random people you call friends online, and typing an essay.
  i can type lyke dis
  itz nawt bcuz i'm stupid itz bcuz itz ezer 4 me.
  The only thing I have a problem with is when people DON'T know the difference between certain words
  such as there, their, and they're.
  
  I agree with Adelynn, that was very obnoxious.
• Mama wrote on 2011-02-06 23:50
  cryosite is plainly elitist in his opinion, and that's detracting a lot of his credibility.
  
  you're losing sight on what actually matters. I suggest you re-evaluate your priorities.
  
  there is extremes on both ends when it comes to 'proper communication'. There are places and times when it is appropriate, and neither extreme is the correct stance to take.
  I suggest you broaden your mind and accept that, for example, I who does not bother to capitalize frequently on a gaming forum has little impact on your reading comprehension.
  
  although I would agree that the internet has fostered a generation of immediate gratification children and ch4tsp33k ilu gtfo wtfbbq, but as long as it stays out of our professional lives and publications then it is absolutely no issue. you can kick and scream all you want about it, but anyone who bothers to listen/read will simply shake their head at the pretentiousness.
• Cryosite wrote on 2011-02-07 09:26
  @Repeated suggestion to "go volunteer somewhere"
  
  No thanks. I don't think that will solve the problems very well.
  
  @Mama: she, not he.
  
  And yes, the internet has spawned a generation of chatspeakers. That is the problem.
  
  @all: The mindset that people have that they can and should "relax" how they type is the problem.
  
  The problem will continue to grow, because of the mindset people display in this very thread. And it will creep into our publications and professional lives; it has already started to.
  
  Like I said in the beginning, people have murdered each other and started wars and genocide over misunderstandings based on words. There are different branches of religions divided by just minor details of opinion on what their same holy text says.
  
  It starts with the mindset displayed here. Where you think "oh, they understand well enough, it doesn't matter."
  
  Then it leads to arguments between people because each assumed the other meant or understood one thing, when another thing was said or meant. This happens all the time. Because people don't take care to ensure they are understood as easily as possible.
  
  The problem grows, and the consequences grow with it.
  
  You can dismiss the problem as not being important if you like; you're free to have that opinion. But I consider it highly important, and I don't care if you think I am elitist or arrogant for it. How I choose to devote my energy to try to help people is my choice, and I firmly believe this is far more important than some stupid charity drive that helps some select group of people.