A Quick Guide to the Revamped Staff Evie

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xJac wrote on 2011-04-23 02:10

Okay, I checked the charge up time, using r6 insane reaper, just holding right click. The time is shorten by 5% (6.10 sec -> 5.80 sec) for all the trials. I have no idea why it doesn't get shorten by 10%.

@placeboing I think it does, even if the character stat menu doesn't show it.

Edit: Magic arrow yields 10% shorter time while in IR.

So both are affected.
placeboing wrote on 2011-04-23 02:47

Oh yes, nice guide. I'll just mention the few things I disagree with.

I personally find Eagle Talon to be of medium priority, since it cuts down the stamina cost of running by a nice amount every time you run enough to reach the charged state, and I reach that state even in boss fights. But this is a personal preference, and pretty much any guide should have a few things that individual players feel differently about. I just always love anything involving stamina, especially considering how much of this game is clearing trash mobs - running far - clearing trash - running far, and also with the larger bosses that move so far around that you actually are running quite a lot (Weeping Queen, Titan, Black Hammer, Blood Lord, etc).

The DEF boost you get from ranking this skill is negligible, although if you like having increased durability, then by all means, rank it.

I thought it was agreed that the durability portion of this is broken at the moment? Did they fix this with the latest patch? I don't know, and I've been wondering this myself.

*In the case of Vehemence, for cost-cutting and higher stat measures, I don't recommend getting the entire set. See this post for details. Also note that the Broken Feather set also lacks a helmet, and instead has an Earring, so you can similarly wear the Broken Feather earring + shoes with Vehemence for higher stats.
Keep in mind that my suggested progressions also take into consideration the cost of going from one item/set to another.

Since you are taking cost into account, I'm not sure that I agree with BF Earring + Shoes, rest Vehemence.

Here are the stats going from full Vehemence + BF earring to Vehemence, BF earring + shoes:
-18 Str
-13 Agi
+2 Int
+32 Def

I don't even think I would use that if it were a cheap enchant scroll, let alone a piece of equipment worth hundreds of thousands.

Just an idea, here is going from full Vehemence + BF earring to Vehemence, BF earring + dress:
-13 Str
+8 Agi
+1 Int
+212 Def

That looks a bunch nicer to me. Personally I think I'm just going to stick with my Vehemence + BF Earring anyway, because I'm cheap, and don't currently feel the need for more DEF... and love how the Vehemence skirt looks.

Quote from foreignreign;419505:
Switch to the SP: Reverse Gravity icon by pressing Z in battle, then X to activate.

other way around, right?
placeboing wrote on 2011-04-23 03:00

Quote from xJac;419910:
Okay, I checked the charge up time, using r6 insane reaper, just holding right click. The time is shorten by 5% (6.10 sec -> 5.80 sec) for all the trials. I have no idea why it doesn't get shorten by 10%.

First of all, you are including the full charge time. It is possible that the pause at each fully-charged level doesn't get shorter, because the whole purpose of that pause is to give you time to press the button you want. Because (I assume) the pauses stay the same, you aren't seeing a 10% overall increase. That is why I only tested only the time taken from 1 section to the next.

Second, 5.8 to 6.1 is just a very short time to base a percentage off. My recordings' FPS was too low for me to say the percentage matters, but it goes from 44 to 39 frames, a ~13% speed increase. Again, the FPS was too low (30 FPS, I think I accidentally locked FRAPS to that, I could re-test at 60 FPS if you want) for this to mean much, but it is more in line with the increase I should be getting on +28 attack speed.
foreignreign wrote on 2011-04-23 03:22

Quote from placeboing;419941:
I thought it was agreed that the durability portion of this is broken at the moment? Did they fix this with the latest patch? I don't know, and I've been wondering this myself.

I've never heard talk of this before. Shield proficiency durability works perfectly fine, so I don't see why armor durability wouldn't. Although on the other hand, it wouldn't surprise me that the armor proficiency durability doesn't work since it always breaks so easily...

Since you are taking cost into account, I'm not sure that I agree with BF Earring + Shoes, rest Vehemence.

Here are the stats going from full Vehemence + BF earring to Vehemence, BF earring + shoes:
-18 Str
-13 Agi
+2 Int
+32 Def

I don't even think I would use that if it were a cheap enchant scroll, let alone a piece of equipment worth hundreds of thousands.

Just an idea, here is going from full Vehemence + BF earring to Vehemence, BF earring + dress:
-13 Str
+8 Agi
+1 Int
+212 Def

That looks a bunch nicer to me. Personally I think I'm just going to stick with my Vehemence + BF Earring anyway, because I'm cheap, and don't currently feel the need for more DEF... and love how the Vehemence skirt looks.

Good point. I didn't actually check the numbers for Broken Feather + Vehemence out of laziness.

EDIT: I will say that although Broken Feather Skirt is a drop from Titan, the drops seem to be fairly common; Dark Crest pieces are selling for 1.5m~2m on East right now, and this is only the third day of Titan, really. Holy Wing Half Plate Helmet is already selling for as low as 690k. So in a few weeks I expect that the equipment drops from Titan to be around the 1m mark, at most.

Although I guess that 1m is a bit much for a 100~200 DEF boost (depending on whether you have a full Vehemence or if you're wearing Temptress/Vehemence).

other way around, right?

Correct.

Fix fix fix.
placeboing wrote on 2011-04-23 03:27

Quote from foreignreign;419982:
I've never heard talk of this before. Shield proficiency durability works perfectly fine, so I don't see why armor durability wouldn't. Although on the other hand, it wouldn't surprise me that the armor proficiency durability doesn't work since it always breaks so easily...

I don't have a good source for it, but I've seen it mentioned a bunch of times. Its also written on the Vindictus Wiki in the Durability section, but I certainly wouldn't automatically trust anything on that Wiki.
http://www.vindictuswiki.com/wiki/Durability_and_Equipment_Health

Many Equipment Skills claim to increase the durability of their respective items however this feature does no currently work.

If you find an answer, please post it here, cause I'd like to know if/when its fixed too.
xJac wrote on 2011-04-23 03:40

Quote from placeboing;419957:
First of all, you are including the full charge time. It is possible that the pause at each fully-charged level doesn't get shorter, because the whole purpose of that pause is to give you time to press the button you want. Because (I assume) the pauses stay the same, you aren't seeing a 10% overall increase. That is why I only tested only the time taken from 1 section to the next.

Second, 5.8 to 6.1 is just a very short time to base a percentage off. My recordings' FPS was too low for me to say the percentage matters, but it goes from 44 to 39 frames, a ~13% speed increase. Again, the FPS was too low (30 FPS, I think I accidentally locked FRAPS to that, I could re-test at 60 FPS if you want) for this to mean much, but it is more in line with the increase I should be getting on +28 attack speed.

5.80 to 6.10 is very short indeed (notice the hundredth). But having 4 test results all yielding to the same number is something else.

I didn't do quick smashing because that is very subject to human error. Unfortunately I also deleted the recordings, so there is no where for me the check back on the time from one sections to another. It is possible like you have mentioned, the pause are the same.

Edit:
Magic arrow, fire bolt, and ice blast can hit monsters at different height level than you. (There's a angle limit for magic arrow/fire bolt, and you need to position yourself well for ice blast, to hit monster at different level.)

For example, in Hoarfrost Depth those windgun kobold likes to stand on top of the wooden structure, you can hit them with magic arrows/fire bolt from a distance.
In Hoarfrost Depth, the switch room, you can use ice blast to hit the switch from below; in the same room, you can kill the kobolds at ground floor when you're on the bridge (as long as you make the bridge go slightly slanted).

These are just examples, there's a lot more times you can take advantage of it.
placeboing wrote on 2011-04-23 04:04

However, going from Vehemence/Temptress mix to Vehemence/Broken Feather mix is only an increase of 100 or so DEF and actually a loss of two INT. So you need not worry about bothering with Broken Feather.

last thing i'll mention, this is wrong since you changed it to skirt now. going from veh + temp boot/ear to veh + bf ear/skirt is:
+17 Str
+26 Agi
+5 Int
+106 Def

Since Agi affects magic crits, that might make this a bit more decent. (Also Str comes into play with hybrid Evies like myself, but that's not what this guide is about)

edit: also also going from veh + temp boot/ear to full veh + bf ear is:
+30 str
+18 agi
+4 int
-106 def
Excalibuurr wrote on 2011-04-24 17:43

To activated Mana Amber on the mouse mode, you actually have to press space, then press it again a second time, I think you have to hold it down when you press it a second time too..
GregHouse wrote on 2011-04-24 18:22

I wonder why no one is mentioning the awesome focus stunn property on trash mobs o.O. Maybe no one has figured out?

Test this on boat 5 hero mode if you like: run to a trash mob and pres rigth click and let go. Its hilarious how they get stunned so easily by the power of your FOCUS! you can perma stunn them and mess with them :D Idk how much dmg it does but its GREAT for gameplay.

Lets say your surrounded and you just sent a fireball to the front, and you see 3 mobs are coming to hit you from behind... dont panic! just press right click and let go (you can spam it if you like) and it will stunn them giving you time to turn around and nuke them.

It has short range though.
foreignreign wrote on 2011-04-24 19:16

Quote from GregHouse;421507:
I wonder why no one is mentioning the awesome focus stunn property on trash mobs o.O. Maybe no one has figured out?

Test this on boat 5 hero mode if you like: run to a trash mob and pres rigth click and let go. Its hilarious how they get stunned so easily by the power of your FOCUS! you can perma stunn them and mess with them :D Idk how much dmg it does but its GREAT for gameplay.

Lets say your surrounded and you just sent a fireball to the front, and you see 3 mobs are coming to hit you from behind... dont panic! just press right click and let go (you can spam it if you like) and it will stunn them giving you time to turn around and nuke them.

It has short range though.

It's not really reliable since some monsters start attacking you from outside the range of Focus. If you're fighting a single monster Focus is kind of nice since you can whack them with the hits to give you more time to Firebolt, or maybe Ice Spear, but I would never rely on that in a group scenario. Especially since Ice Blast comes out quick and gives you enough time to Firebolt things.
GregHouse wrote on 2011-04-24 19:32

Quote from foreignreign;421561:
It's not really reliable since some monsters start attacking you from outside the range of Focus. If you're fighting a single monster Focus is kind of nice since you can whack them with the hits to give you more time to Firebolt, or maybe Ice Spear, but I would never rely on that in a group scenario. Especially since Ice Blast comes out quick and gives you enough time to Firebolt things.

but thats why you move closer to them, before they start the combo. Of course i agree that if they are mid combo, it wont work. Its always nice to ahve more resources, and besides, from boat 1 to 5, its really helpful, those mobs are not precisly fast and smart xD.
Skye wrote on 2011-04-24 19:35

Quote from Excalibuurr;421479:
To activated Mana Amber on the mouse mode, you actually have to press space, then press it again a second time, I think you have to hold it down when you press it a second time too..

No, just double tap the space bar. It's exactly the same as Blink for scythe Evies.
Arendel wrote on 2011-04-24 21:27

Quote from Skye;421575:
No, just double tap the space bar. It's exactly the same as Blink for scythe Evies.

The amber only stays up for as long as you hold space the second time. Otherwise, it cancels right away. So no, he was right. I don't know why you're trying to correct him anyway, since he said essentially the same thing as both you and the guide.
foreignreign wrote on 2011-04-24 23:18

Hmm, so when I did Forest Ruins, I tested out Focus times with and without the Heavy status (made my 10 ATT SPD go down to -43).

I took some videos doing it the quick charge way, and the difference was only .2 seconds. Assuming that each point of ATT SPD affects your casting time equally, then +3 ATT SPD from a Prideful is... crap.
RebeccaBlack wrote on 2011-04-24 23:33

Quote from GregHouse;421507:
I wonder why no one is mentioning the awesome focus stunn property on trash mobs o.O. Maybe no one has figured out?

Oh, I'm sure people figured it out <__< It's one of the first things I learned. I always run up to the closest enemy and knock them back into the crowd a bit so I can ice blast them all. Should probably be added to the guide though.

It does so little damage that it isn't worth considering. If they do any, then all I can say is that kicks hit dozens of times harder.

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