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sakraycore wrote on 2011-09-28 16:41
is transformation height fixed or dependent on char size?
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xJac wrote on 2011-09-29 12:23
not sure about that.
For me, I am shortest model, and trans really gives me a lot height. Thinking about it, I never seen anyone go much higher than me, so it's probably fixed.
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tai wrote on 2011-09-29 16:29
is your reduced attack speed because transing sets you at maximum height, negating the bonus you get for being the shortest model?
more relevant to this thread, does transing reduce evie focus time?
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foreignreign wrote on 2011-09-29 19:12
I don't notice a decreased attack speed in my Trans, at least not for Scythe (which is easier to tell with anyway).
And I don't think it effects Focus time, at least not to a noticeable degree. I still follow the same rhythm for quick-Focusing as I do when I'm out of trans.
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sakraycore wrote on 2011-09-30 02:01
I think it makes focus slower for me too, and my Evie is also the shortest model.
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xJac wrote on 2011-09-30 02:44
Sorry, it's not the trans.
Ran four tests, the difference between trans is about 0~2% difference, which shouldn't be noticeable in any way, or influencing you in any way (human error should be much greater than 2%). I don't know why I thought trans affected my speed back then, but right now the test result is pretty solid, since I am getting very consistent result (~0.03 difference for the supposedly same ones).
I was very certain of my result back then though, ran 10 tests to get the result. One guess on the different result may be computer being the factor, since the old one broke down, and I am using a new one (although not that great either). The stress of all the trans, theoretically, can mess up your cpu as well as your timing, and likely also the video you're recording.
Wait, now I think about it. it should be cpu/gpu stressing (not sure which). I don't know for you guys, but I always hate how other people trans and fighting near me makes me miss my critical or even mess up my combos (the computer doesn't register a right click and gave me a different combo that I don't want).
So trans do play a factor, but it's not on the attack speed, more likely the extra particles (for dk, pally would be the shinning lights) that's messing up your computer. Sorry about that.
It also gets worse when you're in a party (not the host), I can literally see my whole combo only show two or three frames, miss a lot of things in those situation.
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sakraycore wrote on 2011-09-30 04:01
Quote from xJac;603720:
Sorry, it's not the trans.
Ran four tests, the difference between trans is about 0~2% difference, which shouldn't be noticeable in any way, or influencing you in any way (human error should be much greater than 2%). I don't know why I thought trans affected my speed back then, but right now the test result is pretty solid, since I am getting very consistent result (~0.03 difference for the supposedly same ones).
I was very certain of my result back then though, ran 10 tests to get the result. One guess on the different result may be computer being the factor, since the old one broke down, and I am using a new one (although not that great either). The stress of all the trans, theoretically, can mess up your cpu as well as your timing, and likely also the video you're recording.
Wait, now I think about it. it should be cpu/gpu stressing (not sure which). I don't know for you guys, but I always hate how other people trans and fighting near me makes me miss my critical or even mess up my combos (the computer doesn't register a right click and gave me a different combo that I don't want).
So trans do play a factor, but it's not on the attack speed, more likely the extra particles (for dk, pally would be the shinning lights) that's messing up your computer. Sorry about that.
It also gets worse when you're in a party (not the host), I can literally see my whole combo only show two or three frames, miss a lot of things in those situation.
It seems like I attack much faster in 2nd trans tho? Have you run any tests on that?
It also gets worse when you're in a party (not the host), I can literally see my whole combo only show two or three frames, miss a lot of things in those situation.
Oh wow...that must be pretty bad x.x
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xJac wrote on 2011-09-30 12:34
2nd trans? I didn't think it will increase the attack speed, but yea, I will give it a test. (Don't really use 2nd trans as I am level 18 pally right now, get next to no bonus from it)
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sakraycore wrote on 2011-09-30 15:24
You get +2300 att/matk from it, that's a beastly boost right there even without ranking any skills.
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xJac wrote on 2011-09-30 15:43
oh really, no wonder why transing doesn't do much dps increase for me, I am missing out the best part.
[edit] Just ran a test on 2nd trans, I get the same time frames. Will run another test again, but I doubt the result is going to change.
[edit 2] second test also confirmed it, 2nd trans do give increase attack speed, although i do think my computer is less lag in second trans.
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sakraycore wrote on 2011-09-30 23:52
So we lose a tiny bit of attack speed in 1st form but gain some in 2nd form?
Yea it's possible we don't lose much in 1st form, maybe just a tiny bit though since our chars are shortest.
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xJac wrote on 2011-10-01 20:28
no, don't lose any in 1st.
it's probably the lag that's making you messing up your focus, but definitely no attack speed lose or gain (in 2nd)
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tai wrote on 2011-10-15 17:46
Hmm, i have a question:
between the two, which is better, dreamwalker or rakum?
I'm wondering if i should switch from dreamwalker to rakum: my reasoning for this is:
- evie's DPS is cooldown-based, and while having a faster attack speed gets spells faster it does not affect this cooldown
- bosses have extremely high DEF, so that extra damage boost could make a big difference
- slower casting means less stamina consumption
I think this would be especially true for higher + levels, but I'm settling for a +7.
Comments/input? Is this a valid point or am i missing something?
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foreignreign wrote on 2011-10-15 19:10
I would say Rakum Rakish is better overall just because of the increase in MATT. 6 attack speed isn't really going to do that much, and if you play staff Evie like most people do, the majority of your damage will likely come from Magic Arrow anyway, so critical is eh as well.
And slower casting speed is more of a bad thing since that means you're standing there for longer. At least when you're running around to regen stamina, you'll mobile.
Either way, they're mostly sidegrades of each other and I wouldn't bother changing if you're not going to get a higher +.
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THRaKeD wrote on 2011-10-17 15:43
I've got a question.
I'm not sure if I understand INT and M.Att.
I've bought Howling Staff and now I've got New Friendship Staff from quest.
Howling:
Agility +11
Intelligence +18
Magic Attack +1,922
Critical Chance +11
New Friendship:
Intelligence +17
Magic Attack +1,865
Critical Chance +14
New Friendship Staff, even with set bonus with Friendship Ring gives less M.ATT than Howling Staff.
So I would like to know how those stats influence dmg?