The Royal Wizard

• Gaby5011 wrote on 2012-04-23 02:52
  I've been doing 200~210 damage Icebolt with ~600 int, S5 Trinity Staff charged up to Ice level 3 thingy, Ice Master title. Total level 18xx.
  And I could do more damage with 980 int (49 magic damage) and certain enchants.
  
  Just sayin'.
  
  By the way, Hailstorm is a great skill, in my opinion. Should rank Ice Mastery before that (mana reduction), then rank Hail.
  
  On the fourth page, the Lizard Deadly staff should be S5, not S6 or R6 (don't take the risk of losing your 25 crit. Additionaly, Hailstorm does not ignore Protection for crit calculation stuff. S upgrade is better, in my opinion.)
  
  Also, Magic/Ice/Lightning/Fire Master titles are better than the other titles. Give damage boost.
  
  On the third page, Head enchants. Why is Round Treasure better than Vine Treasure? It says that Vine Treasure is 3 MA/14 crit while the one down there cuts 2 crit. That should be changed.
  
  Like Axareel said, mages should get Mana Reduce set with the stuff he said. Broad Feather Hat, Magic School Uni, Magic School Shoes, Bone Marine Gaunts.
• Transcendence wrote on 2012-04-23 05:59

  Quote from Gaby5011;845877:

  I've been doing 200~210 damage Icebolt with ~600 int, S5 Trinity Staff charged up to Ice level 3 thingy, Ice Master title. Total level 18xx.
  And I could do more damage with 980 int (49 magic damage) and certain enchants.
  
  Just sayin'.
  
  By the way, Hailstorm is a great skill, in my opinion. Should rank Ice Mastery before that (mana reduction), then rank Hail.
  
  On the fourth page, the Lizard Deadly staff should be S5, not S6 or R6 (don't take the risk of losing your 25 crit. Additionaly, Hailstorm does not ignore Protection for crit calculation stuff. S upgrade is better, in my opinion.)
  
  :D. I've been thinking quite a bit about this; I plan on comparing critical max damage as well as average damage counts for S6 v. R6.
  
  Also, Magic/Ice/Lightning/Fire Master titles are better than the other titles. Give damage boost.
  
  Will edit!
  
  On the third page, Head enchants. Why is Round Treasure better than Vine Treasure? It says that Vine Treasure is 3 MA/14 crit while the one down there cuts 2 crit. That should be changed.
  
  When it comes down to it, Luck is as important to Critical as Will :P. If the -20 luck is activated, it becomes only 10% crit (lowet than 12%)
  
  Like Axareel said, mages should get Mana Reduce set with the stuff he said. Broad Feather Hat, Magic School Uni, Magic School Shoes, Bone Marine Gaunts.
  
  Right right, I'll add that in for Red and Blue levels, since Green level requires magical clothing (to activate Fickle).
  

  
  
  Bolded answers!
• Gaby5011 wrote on 2012-04-23 11:57
  I made some calculations about S and R. R will give a tiny bit damage boost (assuming you get a crit) buuuut you don't always crit. I still like S upgrade more since it applies "forever".
• Azareel wrote on 2012-04-23 15:28

  Quote from Gaby5011;846117:

  I made some calculations about S and R. R will give a tiny bit damage boost (assuming you get a crit) buuuut you don't always crit. I still like S upgrade more since it applies "forever".

  
  
  Let's first do the math for S5 and R5, since those are the most common.
  S5 provides +17% magic damage. R5 provides +50% damage at most 30% of the time.
  
  S5 will provide an average damage bonus of ((2.5*17)*.3 + (1*17)*.7) = +24.65% under optimal conditions (r1 crit).
  R5 will provide an average damage bonus of (50*.3 + 0*.7) = +15% under optimal conditions (30% effective crit chance, r1 crit).
  So, even with optimal crit chance, S5 will always beat R5 in terms of average damage.
  
  Let's do that with S6 and R6, as well.
  S6: ((2.5*21)*.3 + (1*21)*.7) = +30.45%
  R6: (62*.3 + 0*.7) = +18.6%
  The gap separates further, as you can see. Remember, this is under ideal conditions.
• Transcendence wrote on 2012-04-24 00:05
  Woop woop, completely updated guide with all y'all's suggestions; thanks again! If anyone has the time and willingness to check my math (especially the Magic Fusion), please do!
• Fantasy wrote on 2012-04-25 02:55
  Great guide!!!! I'm becoming a mage,but I want to get all my gear ready first lol.
• Retard wrote on 2012-04-26 00:34
  Worst guide ever. If I could I would personally soil my own hands with my own poo and ruin your guide with it...
  
  
  JK nbnbnbnb!
• Transcendence wrote on 2012-05-14 02:04
  Updated.
• Spaghedeity wrote on 2012-05-14 02:07

  Quote from Azareel;846183:

  Let's first do the math for S5 and R5, since those are the most common.
  S5 provides +17% magic damage. R5 provides +50% damage at most 30% of the time.
  
  S5 will provide an average damage bonus of ((2.5*17)*.3 + (1*17)*.7) = +24.65% under optimal conditions (r1 crit).
  R5 will provide an average damage bonus of (50*.3 + 0*.7) = +15% under optimal conditions (30% effective crit chance, r1 crit).
  So, even with optimal crit chance, S5 will always beat R5 in terms of average damage.
  
  Let's do that with S6 and R6, as well.
  S6: ((2.5*21)*.3 + (1*21)*.7) = +30.45%
  R6: (62*.3 + 0*.7) = +18.6%
  The gap separates further, as you can see. Remember, this is under ideal conditions.

  
  
  Hopefully Aza sees this.. can you explain your math some more? Just tell me where you got the numbers from. Blame the fact that I'm up too late, but I'm not seeing it. xD
• Azareel wrote on 2012-05-14 02:55

  Quote from Spaghedeity;863085:

  Hopefully Aza sees this.. can you explain your math some more? Just tell me where you got the numbers from. Blame the fact that I'm up too late, but I'm not seeing it. xD

  
  
  It's just a basic formula.
  ((Extra damage)*ChanceOfOccurance + (Extra damage)*ChanceofOccurance) = Overall bonus damage.
• Spaghedeity wrote on 2012-05-14 03:03
  Not sure why but those numbers seem wrong to me somehow...
• Azareel wrote on 2012-05-14 03:36

  Quote from Spaghedeity;863158:

  Not sure why but those numbers seem wrong to me somehow...

  
  
  Well, there's nothing I see wrong with the formula. So, yeah.
  
  But it was pretty common knowledge that average damage for S upgrades is always higher than R when dealing with magic weapons, and that R upgrades are only slightly higher on a crit than S.
• Spaghedeity wrote on 2012-05-14 03:40
  Wasn't to me. Course I'm not a mage... I'll have to look somewhere for a better explanation for that formula though unless you want to provide one.
• Justified wrote on 2012-05-14 13:37

  Quote from Spaghedeity;863185:

  Wasn't to me. Course I'm not a mage... I'll have to look somewhere for a better explanation for that formula though unless you want to provide one.

  
  
  He just phrased it awkwardly.
  
  S5 : [ 1.00 + (1.50 * 30%) ] * 1.17 = 169.65%
  R5 : [ 1.00 + (1.50+0.50 * 30%) ] = 160.00%
  
  S6 : [ 1.00 + (1.50 * 30%) ] * 1.21 = 175.45%
  R6 : [ 1.00 + (1.50+0.62 * 30%) ] = 163.60%
  
  Basically S beats R in Average damage by X % and R beats S in Critical damage by about 75% of X.
  I still favor R because high Criticals is what magic is useful for anyways.
• Azareel wrote on 2012-05-14 15:08

  Quote from Justified;863382:

  He just phrased it awkwardly.
  
  S5 : [ 1.00 + (1.50 * 30%) ] * 1.17 = 169.65%
  R5 : [ 1.00 + (1.50+0.50 * 30%) ] = 160.00%
  
  S6 : [ 1.00 + (1.50 * 30%) ] * 1.21 = 175.45%
  R6 : [ 1.00 + (1.50+0.62 * 30%) ] = 163.60%
  
  Basically S beats R in Average damage by X % and R beats S in Critical damage by about 75% of X.
  I still favor R because high Criticals is what magic is useful for anyways.

  
  
  Seemed pretty clear to me, but okay.
  I personally prefer S, because in the cases where a non-crit can't OHKO a mob, an S-type crit usually can anyway. The only consistent exception is bosses, and for that, there's poison.