Death of my lann.

• Halfslashed wrote on 2011-06-24 20:47
  Okay, let me say this clearly. You don't even have spears yet, so you're still a sword lann. You're given the gift of gods when you have the best dodging skill in the game, followed by blink. You're invincible for a couple of miliseconds and you barely spend any stamina. So I don't think you can call Lann terrible when you don't know how to use him. And as a fiona, if you don't know when to attack during blocking, then you'll never kill it. If you attack too much, you';ll get killed.
  
  And for all of you that think Fiona has good offensive capabilities compared to any other character in the game, you're wrong. Defensive, the best. Offensive, not even close.
  
  And lol, staff evie with defensive capabilities? Have fun running out of stamina and getting raped. That bunny hop won't save you when your amber breaks. Mana shields? At rank A with 2k int, Thor and Titan can two shot all of your shields, they're more of a delay in deaths.
  
  In the end, it all depends on how you use your character. If you don't know how to use your character, death will always be imminent. If you're skilled, you can have very few deaths as a spear lann, or do a lot of damage with a fiona of both weapons.
• Invertex wrote on 2011-06-24 21:10

  Quote from Halfslashed;488333:

  Okay, let me say this clearly. You don't even have spears yet, so you're still a sword lann. You're given the gift of gods when you have the best dodging skill in the game, followed by blink. You're invincible for a couple of miliseconds and you barely spend any stamina. So I don't think you can call Lann terrible when you don't know how to use him. And as a fiona, if you don't know when to attack during blocking, then you'll never kill it. If you attack too much, you';ll get killed.
  
  And for all of you that think Fiona has good offensive capabilities compared to any other character in the game, you're wrong. Defensive, the best. Offensive, not even close.
  
  And lol, staff evie with defensive capabilities? Have fun running out of stamina and getting raped. That bunny hop won't save you when your amber breaks. Mana shields? At rank A with 2k int, Thor and Titan can two shot all of your shields, they're more of a delay in deaths.
  
  In the end, it all depends on how you use your character. If you don't know how to use your character, death will always be imminent. If you're skilled, you can have very few deaths as a spear lann, or do a lot of damage with a fiona of both weapons.

  
  
  I agree with this statement for the most part. But there are a few minor details I'd like to nitpick.
  Flying Sparrow seems to be a decent dodge, covers enough distance to get out of the way. Sword Fiona has the lowest DPS potential in the game, however Hammers now do just about as much DPS as a Staff Evie without losing that much survivability.
  
  But yeah. I'd just commit more time to Lann, all this theory behind DPS never really comes into effect when randoms skill levels vary from that of a monkey to that of a pro. If you're quitting at Lv. 21, you just haven't put in the effort to learn the character. Hell, they actually made all the bosses have less HP and do their idle/taunt moves more often, so it should be easier then anything. Fiona's damage is also VERY dissapointing at the start. It took me 5 months of AP farming and leveling to get to the point where my normal attack 1 shots Gnolls, Karok I did so in a day. If you're original plan was to be a pure Spear Lann, you obviously care for damage potential.
  
  I mean he's completely playable, and you can do great things with him. I've done 20%+ damage in Raids with a Sword Fiona, so all that "terrible DPS" never really affects me. That "terrible survivability" is relative, and is mainly used when discussing Spear Lanns.
• Chiyuri wrote on 2011-06-24 21:14
  Gaming skills is required to keep a Lann Alive.
  If you got that, Lann is a good class.
• Alexane wrote on 2011-06-24 21:44
  o3o ive read so much about how lann needs you to dedicate so much work to be good with him, i honestly don't have the time to learn every bosses moves and flawlessly perfect my evade, and i've heard if you cant do that you suck as lann, lanns are killed by lag, you also have to work the hardest and be as close to perfect as possible to pull off the same power as other classes working a lot less .-.
  
  i dont care about being the worlds best player, i dont have the drive to be the best and avoid death while still feeling useful with lann, i hate feeling useless and from what everyone of my friends have told me, 1 spike of lag or mistake, and lann gets floored.
  
  (Feel free to poke holes in anything that's not true.)
• Alexane wrote on 2011-06-24 22:03

  Quote from Gotejjeken;487993:

  Please do not bandwagon Fiona. I hate to sound mean here, but your Lann is level 21. You are fighting things like Kobold Chief and White Tyrant for crying out loud. If you can't survive there with Lann, you can't survive there with a Fiona. Also, level 21 and from Open Beta? What did you do, quit for the last 7 months?
  
  
  I'm really getting tired of all of the Lann hate, and the Fiona bandwagoning. If anything SPEAR Lann has bad survivability, not sword. Besides, the survivability thing doesn't even come into play until at least Boat 6, right now as I mentioned, you'll be bad no matter what character you pick up. It just takes practice.
  
  In closing...please go play Karok. I heard he has some OP skills!

  
  
  
  Actually, i can evade both of them really good, its just the battles take like 500000 hours and i dont think i can learn to avoid every boss in the game flawlessly like spear lann needs. and yes, i made a closed beta account, killed the spider then ****ed off to mabi.
  
  im making a fiona on the east server to play with skye, my lann is on the west, i can juggle both just play one when i get bored of the other. Best of both worlds, no?
• Yanm wrote on 2011-06-24 22:09
  At first, I was thinking, "She just gave up too easily" but then after reading your convo with Skye, I can understand why you're thinking like this. Main problem with Lann is the problem that's with majority of the ninja/assassin type characters in MMO's: They require real skill to be good at. Lann is no exception to this rule at all. Since you said you rush in without thinking, I'd say Fiona/Karok would be the good choice for you. But, if I may say somethings about Lann?
  I'm a level 65 Sword Lann, always have been and always will be, even though I've maxed out nearly all my skills. I've read plenty on how "Lann sucks" or "Lann is useless, go role another character." I could careless what people say. Lann fits my playstyle perfectly and I have lots of fun with him. In Titan, I'm very good at ballistae so I always do that. It is true that he does seem to die often, but I view that as a lack of practice. I used to die at Thor so much, but now I rarely will ever die until he get's into rage mode. Then again, in all of my thor parties, everyone starts to die when he get's into rage mode >_>. (Blasted Alligator wall camped me once D:). With Lann, me and my friends agree that...we have some kind of urge. By urge, I mean we have a HUGE urge to NOT stop attacking, even when an attack comes. I've often found myself thinking like this, "Ok, he's about to attack. If I use my 3rd smash, it should position me enough so I'll avoid him and still deal damage, or let's hope I get a crit on this guy and GF away!" *Attacks* *Not positioned enough, doesn't get crit* *Get's hit* Darn it >_>, I miscalculated! This seems to be the scenario for majority of Lann's out there.
  All in all, Lann is a character that requires a lot of calculating and practice to be good, but I find that to be the fun of it. Why most Lann's suck? It's because he requires all of this, and many people just play him, not trying to adapt to every single situation. Regardless, you don't seem the type to want to do this, so I say go ahead and make your Fiona Alexane.
• Alexane wrote on 2011-06-24 22:18
  Thank you yanm o3o and yeah, me and skye had a pretty awesome conversation.
• Invertex wrote on 2011-06-24 22:20
  Honestly, each character requires a certain degree of boss knowledge to maximize efficiency.
  
  Fiona has to memorize how many hits a move registers, if it's a smash or a normal, if there's a risk of a follow up, or if you need to dodge. Karok has to know what to clash as well as get the fairly tight SA timing down (on attcks, roll is too easy). Evies... well they can just run away for the most part. But Amber/Blink are great escape skills IF you know how to use them. Lanns just need to learn how to dodge each move.
  
  Simply put, you're not going to be doing much if you don't want to commit at least some boss knowledge to memory. I've commited enough to my mind that I can recount nearly all my boss strategies off hand.
  
  Also, regarding each character.
  Major points along the line are...
  
  After Decisive Battle - 1st character specific skill
  After White Tyrant - 2nd character specific skill
  Early Ainle (Lv. 24) - 2nd weapon (or unarmed for Karok)
  Late Boat 4 - SP skills introduced
  Late Boat 5 - 4 bar SP skill
  
  Those are the major stepping stones that affect how a character plays. If you don't reach those, it's really hard to judge a character. Also a Lv. ~20 will only have about 2k AP, while cap is over 70k.
• Alexane wrote on 2011-06-24 22:23

  Quote from Invertex;488485:

  Honestly, each character requires a certain degree of boss knowledge to maximize efficiency.
  
  Fiona has to memorize how many hits a move registers, if it's a smash or a normal, if there's a risk of a follow up, or if you need to dodge. Karok has to know what to clash as well as get the fairly tight SA timing down (on attcks, roll is too easy). Evies... well they can just run away for the most part. But Amber/Blink are great escape skills IF you know how to use them. Lanns just need to learn how to dodge each move.
  
  Simply put, you're not going to be doing much if you don't want to commit at least some boss knowledge to memory. I've commited enough to my mind that I can recount nearly all my boss strategies off hand.

  
  
  committing to boss memory is easy, the amount lann needs to be good is too much for me to enjoy playing as.
• Gotejjeken wrote on 2011-06-24 22:25
  If you think the battles take long as a sword Lann, just wait until you switch to sword Fiona, who undeniably has the worst DPS in the game. You can't equip hammers right away and get the so-called 'godly' damage everyone is raving about. Also, I'm not sure what spider you are referring to, as there are none you can fight at level 21.
  
  Yanm, rushing in without thinking will get you killed as any character. If you want a real skill test, equip some spears. Slip Dash is still way too good of an evasion move for sword Lanns to be considered as a 'skill' character.
• Alexane wrote on 2011-06-24 22:26
  lol, white spider on the bell tower. I know how to play with strategy, i just dont enjoy the amount of strategy lann requires.
• Invertex wrote on 2011-06-24 22:26

  Quote from Alexane;488492:

  committing to boss memory is easy, the amount lann needs to be good is too much for me to enjoy playing as.

  
  
  Not sure about that to be honest. I might just be crazy and have too many move properties memorized for the important missions (Daily Raids and such), but it might just be me. I'd be willing to give a high leveled Lann a try, but lack the will to actually bother grinding 50+ levels to actually have a solid opinion.
  
  And on that note, the only 2 missions that really require heavy memorization are Titan and Thor. Which of course are the missions everyone usually runs. Everything else can work out by making it up as you go.
  
  (Also see previous post for mentions of important level points in which your character changes significantly)
• Gotejjeken wrote on 2011-06-24 22:29
  You need to memorize every bosses smash/normals if you want to be an effective Fiona.
• Phanterz wrote on 2011-06-24 22:30

  Quote from Halfslashed;488333:

  Okay, let me say this clearly. You don't even have spears yet, so you're still a sword lann. You're given the gift of gods when you have the best dodging skill in the game, followed by blink. You're invincible for a couple of miliseconds and you barely spend any stamina. So I don't think you can call Lann terrible when you don't know how to use him. And as a fiona, if you don't know when to attack during blocking, then you'll never kill it. If you attack too much, you';ll get killed.
  
  And for all of you that think Fiona has good offensive capabilities compared to any other character in the game, you're wrong. Defensive, the best. Offensive, not even close.
  
  And lol, staff evie with defensive capabilities? Have fun running out of stamina and getting raped. That bunny hop won't save you when your amber breaks. Mana shields? At rank A with 2k int, Thor and Titan can two shot all of your shields, they're more of a delay in deaths.
  
  In the end, it all depends on how you use your character. If you don't know how to use your character, death will always be imminent. If you're skilled, you can have very few deaths as a spear lann, or do a lot of damage with a fiona of both weapons.

  
  
  I guess you've never played a lann in boat 6+.
• Alexane wrote on 2011-06-24 22:31

  Quote from Gotejjeken;488507:

  You need to memorize every bosses smash/normals if you want to be an effective Fiona.

  
  Easier to play as than lann .-. not sure why you people are digging into me like this for information i know nothing about other than what i've read, just for asking something.
  
  I'm still 100% new to this game and only know what i've read.