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TinyMo wrote on 2011-07-12 23:53
So I've been seeing a lot of...stuff going around about how google+ is "stealing" your photos if you put them up. I originally just blew it off as facebook propaganda but now I'm not so sure.
Here's the part in the google+ TOS that's got people fuming
11.1 You retain copyright and any other rights you already hold in Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services. By submitting, posting or displaying the content you give Google a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute any Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services. This license is for the sole purpose of enabling Google to display, distribute and promote the Services and may be revoked for certain Services as defined in the Additional Terms of those Services.
Here's Facebook's
You own all of the content and information you post on Facebook, and you can control how it is shared through your privacy and application settings. In addition:
For content that is covered by intellectual property rights, like photos and videos ("IP content"), you specifically give us the following permission, subject to your privacy and application settings: you grant us a non-exclusive, transferable, sub-licensable, royalty-free, worldwide license to use any IP content that you post on or in connection with Facebook ("IP License"). This IP License ends when you delete your IP content or your account unless your content has been shared with others, and they have not deleted it.
Now, I really don't understand much about the whole mess, but it's starting to annoy me. So is it true? Do you sign the rights to your photos on google+?
Both say you retain your rights, but they can use your content however they want. The thing people are saying about facebook is that they have to follow what you say in your privacy settings. I looked through the settings and didn't see anything that changed how facebook could use your stuff. I only saw that you could change which friends see it.
Facebook says when you delete it, it's gone and they can't use it (am I reading that right?). Google says they can use it forever.
Can anybody explain the difference? Is there any merit to what people are saying about google owning your images?
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Phunkie wrote on 2011-07-12 23:56
I was under the impression that you sign the rights to whatever information you give any website you register for.
It's how things work?
No one's gonna screw you over. All this Facebook and privacy hysteria gets a little out of hand sometimes.
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TinyMo wrote on 2011-07-13 00:01
See that's what I think too. I just can't make some people get off the hysterical bandwagon.
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Yoorah wrote on 2011-07-13 00:30
You're sort of reading it correctly. Google doesn't take the ownership away from you, but you grant them the right to use your images for their purposes, for ever. But it's not done for a malicious reason--it's just a good way to protect itself from copyright lawsuits. The only thing I don't like is that they retain the license even if you delete the images and close your account. But in the end, it really doesn't matter to us users.
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Osayidan wrote on 2011-07-13 00:48
Pretty much any service where you upload your files to will have something like this. It's pretty much required by law for them to even be able to provide the service to you. When they display your photos on their web page, be it to you only, or to friends, or publicly, they need the rights to do so, and all that legalese let's them do it. When it comes to google, it's even worse for them because their services are massive and cover pretty much the whole interwebs. You can delete your photo, but it might be on google search results cache still, or maybe someone else saved it and uploaded it on another google service.
It just covers their ass. They have zero interest our photos of us getting drunk.
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TinyMo wrote on 2011-07-13 01:51
Basically they just don't want you blaming them if someone sees your work, saves it, and uploads it on another site?
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Yoorah wrote on 2011-07-13 02:12
More like they just don't want you to claim that Google used your photos to generate profit for their service and demand that Google compensate you for it.
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Adelynn wrote on 2011-07-13 03:16
It's something I've seen on many sites, not just google. If people are going to use that as the basis for facebook>google+, they need to realize that facebook is the exact same way.
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Osayidan wrote on 2011-07-13 12:06
There's actually cases of people trying to get embarrassing photos of themselves taken off facebook, but facebook is like "gtfo we own everything uploaded".
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whocares8128 wrote on 2011-07-13 17:51
Quote from TinyMo;510005:
This license is for the sole purpose of enabling Google to display, distribute and promote the Services and may be revoked for certain Services as defined in the Additional Terms of those Services.
What does the Additional Terms state?
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sylfaen wrote on 2011-07-13 21:17
^ Additional Terms
of those Services
I believe they mean terms, as stated, individually for each separate service provided you by Google.
In addition, related additional information on the additional terms made by people who just love the word additional:
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1.5 If there is any contradiction between what the Additional Terms say and what the Universal Terms say, then the Additional Terms shall take precedence in relation to that Service.
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http://www.google.com/accounts/TOS
The additional terms may be seen to the left sidebar under "More privacy info"
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Phunkie wrote on 2011-07-18 02:13
I found this today, which I thought helped explain things better.
[Image: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-qaWe1AriX3w/TiNxc0ZNmCI/AAAAAAAAH-Y/IGtJdvs6wDQ/rights+large.jpg]
Source:
https://plus.google.com/112063946124358686266/posts/Cqcux1zqoT8?hl=en
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Osayidan wrote on 2011-07-18 02:36
Quote from Phigga;516262:
I found this today, which I thought helped explain things better.
[Image: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-qaWe1AriX3w/TiNxc0ZNmCI/AAAAAAAAH-Y/IGtJdvs6wDQ/rights+large.jpg]
Source: https://plus.google.com/112063946124358686266/posts/Cqcux1zqoT8?hl=en
Kind of what I said except really cool.
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Adelynn wrote on 2011-07-18 03:04
Quote from Phigga;516262:
I found this today, which I thought helped explain things better.
[Image: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-qaWe1AriX3w/TiNxc0ZNmCI/AAAAAAAAH-Y/IGtJdvs6wDQ/rights+large.jpg]
Source: https://plus.google.com/112063946124358686266/posts/Cqcux1zqoT8?hl=en
I saved that just because. xD
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Ryoko wrote on 2011-07-18 03:07
That's a really good way to just tell people what things mean, surprisingly.
I swear sometimes places have to put it clearly in their ToS for people to understand it.