Summon Golem Needs a Buff?

• foreignreign wrote on 2011-11-27 06:11

  Quote from RebeccaBlack;672933:

  The largest number of Evies I've ever seen in a Colru group was 6, and we did manage to mess it up somehow. A couple people didn't RG, for some reason, and then the order was questionable and a few people RGed at the same time.
  
  It's one of those things that should be easy to work out, but just isn't.

  
  
  Eh, depends. Was it a spur of the moment thing after you realized how many Evies there were, after the mini-golems died?
  
  Or was it a pre-meditated on-the-boat deal when you all decided to RG lock?
• RebeccaBlack wrote on 2011-11-27 06:19

  Quote from foreignreign;672937:

  Eh, depends. Was it a spur of the moment thing after you realized how many Evies there were, after the mini-golems died?
  
  Or was it a pre-meditated on-the-boat deal when you all decided to RG lock?

  
  We sorted it out on the boat. It just didn't work out.
• foreignreign wrote on 2011-11-27 06:24
  I'm not sure how you can mess that up though if you sorted it out beforehand.
  
  F1 spam should've alerted people, unless you didn't use that either. And if you did, well then I'm not sure how you can mess that up.
• RebeccaBlack wrote on 2011-11-27 06:26

  Quote from foreignreign;672965:

  I'm not sure how you can mess that up though if you sorted it out beforehand.
  
  F1 spam should've alerted people, unless you didn't use that either. And if you did, well then I'm not sure how you can mess that up.

  
  We did.
  
  A few people forgot to RG and then the order was messed up when we tried to turn it around.
  
  What I'm basically getting at is it doesn't take much for a random group to mess up and it's rare to run into a time where something will be RGed to death.
• foreignreign wrote on 2011-11-27 06:29
  Sure. But at the same time if we're all talking endgame stuff, then we should also be considering endgame competence/skill-level.
  
  At which point, really, after one run at most, RG chaining shouldn't be more than a chore.
• RebeccaBlack wrote on 2011-11-27 06:47
  Hmm, I suppose at the very top of endgame, sure. But that does push the tiny percent into an even tinier percent. I'm not saying it takes a group of RaidHunters to hit a few reverse gravities, but you might be surprised just how bad some people really are strategy-wise despite having 15K attack and 10K defense, even if they do just fine spinning optimally through most other bosses. It's not as bad as some people make it out to be, but it's bad enough that you and one other person will probably have to carry the entire party from time to time.
  
  I'm sure Invertex remembers that one Lionotus game we played together where almost everyone had 14K+ attack, some reaching as high as 16-17K, and yet none of them had any strategy at all and were generally pretty awful players, causing the raid to take some 30-35 minutes or something. As an Evie I find myself being the primary (read: only) lurer 90% of the time, if that says anything.
• Xentaros wrote on 2011-11-27 13:41

  Quote from Skye;672819:

  Seriously. lol

  
  
  Figuring that you "Lift" anything up for "Variable" Seconds,
  I mean it affects only one area, but compared to 12 slashes, earthquake, and shield charge, it "lifts" all monsters, (including raid bosses.)
  
  I'm abit unsure about that.
• MareneCorp wrote on 2011-11-27 15:11
  You know what, you people are missing one important piece of information. Spear Lanns have absolutely no invincibility. Fact 2, his roll dodge is crap compared to the other classes: Fionas can block, Staffs can Amber or Flying Sparrow, Scythes can Blink which usually they can do because of insane reaper+good storage of stamina, Karok has shock absorb. You know how much distance a dodge roll does compared to a blink? Not even 1/5th of the way, and the roll takes up 30 stamina. So even a Lann with, say, 14k attack would have a *** time trying to put in both DPS and survivability. Sure, he's quite OP when it comes to pure DPS, but that doesn't help much if a boss can kill you in literally 4 hits, with extreme defense and maxed HP buff in trans.
• Invertex wrote on 2011-11-27 17:50

  Quote from MareneCorp;673252:

  You know what, you people are missing one important piece of information. Spear Lanns have absolutely no invincibility. Fact 2, his roll dodge is crap compared to the other classes: Fionas can block, Staffs can Amber or Flying Sparrow, Scythes can Blink which usually they can do because of insane reaper+good storage of stamina, Karok has shock absorb. You know how much distance a dodge roll does compared to a blink? Not even 1/5th of the way, and the roll takes up 30 stamina. So even a Lann with, say, 14k attack would have a *** time trying to put in both DPS and survivability. Sure, he's quite OP when it comes to pure DPS, but that doesn't help much if a boss can kill you in literally 4 hits, with extreme defense and maxed HP buff in trans.

  
  
  We actually did mention it. I'm not sure if you've heard of the recent Defence stacking trend going on amongst most endgame Lanns and Fionas. Put Warlord Passion on all 5 Accessories (+1650 Def), +10 Armor, full or near full Tutelary Sentinel (~1500 Def), Black Hammer/Ingkells or Black Hammer/Lorica mix. With that combination, a Lann can get 8k to 10k defence. Nearly every move will only hit you for 1-200 damage, even from Colru.
  
  Defence actually gets exponentially better, with some people saying it becomes very noticeable when Your Defence > Boss' Attack. The jump from 7k to 8k Defence is about as significant as from 3k to 7k. Using Colru's black orb unblockable as an example. I take 600 damage per orb at 8.5k Def, someone with 10k told me they take 200 per orb.
  
  So with that much Defence, Spear Lann goes back to being overpowered as spin2win actually works. He doesn't need a proper dodge or invincibility when he has super armor and 10k defence. Just Fury Infusion, spin in, back off, pot, repeat. Insane DPS, insane survivability (as you can take 20+ hits).
  
  The same logic also applies to Hammer Fionas, who can hit 10k-12k Def due to shields. That's the only reason you hear anything about them being overpowered.
  
  And before you argue about the point where you can't stack defence any more, I've already mentioned that scenario in one of my replies. Plus, my entire point was saying that Staff really only becomes weaker when we get to the point where people stack Def.
• Skye wrote on 2011-11-27 17:56

  Quote from Xentaros;673232:

  Figuring that you "Lift" anything up for "Variable" Seconds,
  I mean it affects only one area, but compared to 12 slashes, earthquake, and shield charge, it "lifts" all monsters, (including raid bosses.)
  
  I'm abit unsure about that.

  
  

  vvv

  
  

  Quote from RebeccaBlack;672857:

  Reverse Gravity has no invincibility frames at all. It does stop the monster, though, but there's a problem with that. You need to predict when the boss is going to be unable to move about a second ahead of time. When you press the button, there's this animation where the staff is pushed down before RG actually begins. If the boss decides to attack after RG starts actually happening, it won't connect and you're pretty much guaranteed death as you have to wait for RG to end. Evies tend to die in a couple hits, so yeah, even if the boss "stalls" a lot you're still screwed. On top of that, the boss needs to be grounded when you start the RG (by pressing Z), so you can't have him hop into you and then get picked up by RG when it starts. There's a very specific timeframe and ****ing it up means death.

  
  
  Not trying to be rude or anything, but RG is by no means perfect. I've died quite a few times due to a misplaced RG.
• TLCBonaparte wrote on 2011-11-27 18:11
  Evie is dps... Being dps doesn't mean they can deal damage without worrying about getting hit, it just mean she deals more damage per second than other classes... So really what's the point of this discussion again?
• Invertex wrote on 2011-11-27 18:27

  Quote from TLCBonaparte;673307:

  Evie is dps... Being dps doesn't mean they can deal damage without worrying about getting hit, it just mean she deals more damage per second than other classes... So really what's the point of this discussion again?

  
  
  The main problem is that she can get high DPS more easily then the other classes (which require Defence stacking the reach maximum potential). She also has more options in situations where everybody gets killed in a few hits, since Mana Shield is better then a relatively low Defence stat. She also has a lot of support options that no other class has, with RG having the most damage of all SP skills in a party.
  
  So for the average player, Staff > All in damage, survivability, and party support. In reality, she starts losing DPS as we get to the extremes of the population. So she's OP to most, but somewhat balanced to the few.
• Xentaros wrote on 2011-11-27 23:37

  Quote from Skye;673298:

  vvv

  
  
  
  Not trying to be rude or anything, but RG is by no means perfect. I've died quite a few times due to a misplaced RG.

  
  
  Then in terms, a perfect RG simply goes lawn mower on anything.
  Giving the whole party enough time to fully drink 2-3 potions.
• RebeccaBlack wrote on 2011-11-28 02:10

  Quote from TLCBonaparte;673307:

  Evie is dps... Being dps doesn't mean they can deal damage without worrying about getting hit, it just mean she deals more damage per second than other classes... So really what's the point of this discussion again?

  
  Because that isn't true, that's one reason.
  

  Quote from Xentaros;673617:

  Then in terms, a perfect RG simply goes lawn mower on anything.
  Giving the whole party enough time to fully drink 2-3 potions.

  
  Sure, if it works.
  
  The thing most people don't realize is that it takes Evie relatively forever to get SP compared to Fiona, Lann, and probably Karok. So yes, it's probably the best of all SP skills (except I guess maybe Slashing High? Nah, it's probably the best), but you get to use it a lot less than the others.
• TLCBonaparte wrote on 2011-11-28 02:50

  Quote from RebeccaBlack;673776:

  Because that isn't true, that's one reason.
  
  Sure, if it works.
  
  The thing most people don't realize is that it takes Evie relatively forever to get SP compared to Fiona, Lann, and probably Karok. So yes, it's probably the best of all SP skills (except I guess maybe Slashing High? Nah, it's probably the best), but you get to use it a lot less than the others.

  
  
  
  I don't mind buying sp potions and use it in raids.