I have several apologies to make to some users, nevertheless how wrong they have been in a particular thread that has caused so much rage. I'm going to say outright that I apologize for some of the replies I've made in the thread.
I was pissed online, didn't had my lunch and was a little aggressive. So I took a break, got my dinner, chewed over the current topics and thought about it. Okay, so currently, I'm going to keep a neutral stance upon everything. Truth be told, I was pretty pissed in the way how you would type as if you're superior in comparison with the rest of the forums. But, meh. I've promised to be neutral, didn't I? So here goes...
Reasons and excuses aside... Alright, I've cooled my head, read through the entire thread (Literally. I did not miss a single post at all.). Apparently, it's too large for me to state everything and quote it, so I'm going by pages, if you wouldn't mind. After all of the pages been summarized, I'll come up with a conclusion that you would much prefer to skip to and read.
PAGE 1:
Let's start with the OP.
Basically, I've summarized it, it goes
"I give up on this site because moderators are inactive and rarely take action to focus on what's supposed to be the rules."
// Taken off Google directly:
b/ is the home of Anonymous, it is where people go to discuss random topics on 4chan.
So, Ma/b/inogi would basically mean spam forums for people on Mabination to discuss random topics.
//
That is basically the first paragraph of the entire wall of text.
Personally, I rarely venture out of Ma/b/inogi, so I do not know what is going on out there. I'm going to assume that everything's alright out there, everything's running fine and perfect out there. Besides, as I've stated before, Mabination is not the forums I would frequent. I'm just here to pass my time on the /b/ section, which most of the threads here are crap so I would ignore them. I do not know what makes you read every single thread in /b/, but nevertheless, it's your choice and I'll respect that.
In the second paragraph you've warned that you're going to flame the culprits. It's nice to know that you would actually bother to state their faults rather than call them retards.
Xiyamae's paragraph
Okay, basically you ranting on Xiyamae about how horrendous her whinings are.
This is understandable, if she's spamming outside of the forums, warnings should have been given. But all of a sudden you're personally attacking her, I don't think that a mature individual like yourself should do something like this.
Emomutt's paragraph
Once again, about how bad this particular user is and how he could have been better.
Yes, once again, attention whores are annoying. I agree with you upon that, but can't you just ignore them?
Oh yes, 6 months of failed attempts in romance. And about how Xiyamae being a hypocrite.
Bradstrt's paragraph
Memes are annoying, I could understand why you're posting this.
In fact, Bradstrt is pretty much a troll, seeing how he would scribble all over Xiyamae's drawings given the chance on iScribble. It's not surprising he would be posting /b/tard crap.
Sleeperdial's paragraph
Internet racism.
Okay.
Not much being said here. I don't even know who this Sleeperdial person is.
Byte's paragraph
I don't read much on Byte's threads and posts, but seriously, if all Byte does is posting random bits of useless information that no one cares about, then yes. I do agree that he should be removed.
But seeing how you're doing this, maybe not quite, eh?
Saani's paragraph
Basically about how Saani used to post yaoi and how you like Saani and not her yaoi.
I can sense favorism.
This took like 3-4 hours to type, because I was mocking every one of you on MSN with several other Mabination members.
Nice, mocking us behind our backs instead of telling us straight in our faces.
We could have corrected ourselves instead you know.
Then going on to the last few paragraphs.
No one's going to say you ragequitted the forums. That's stupid. Okay, so you feel stupid reading random crap all over the place and you feel that if people can't post intelligently, they should not be using the forums. The moderators should keep this thread alive so that people can see other people's reaction about how you felt, or how the group of you have felt. You do not want to use this site anymore unless people change or the staff start moderating instead of slacking away.
And you're pretty much bored of the /b/ section of Mabination.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Ironically, the second post is made by a particular user that has been flagged as a troll, seen brighter than a flame torch, AND he has the exact same colored text as you do.
What has this site come to. I’m agreeing with you, Forsaken. I’m not sure when it happened but Mabination turned into a gigantic cesspool of mentally challenged children. You pretty much named all of them.
You people are incredibly dumb. I’d point out why you guys are retarded all day long but my time is too precious to waste on educating these members. It’s not like you guys would understand my level of thought anyway. Jesus Christ, you kids make me weep for humanity.
Basically, you agree with the points Forsaken has stated and then went on to insult the members particular members that pissed you off following off with posts about how they're lacking in several areas and how you're superior compared with them.
With my current impression of you, that was the type of reply I've expected. Not more, not less.
Continuing, I'm going to ignore all posts made by Emomutt, as it totally proves your point and I do know it. It's irrelevant and childish, and would be a waste of space to state them.
Okay, then comes my first reply in your thread, Forsaken. The one quoting Sin.
It's true, this wasn't the best of all posts, but I felt that you guys were insulting the entire forums a little, in fact, now that I've thought over it, this is a pretty retarded post. Nevertheless, I've made my stand on this post. I didn't like your attitude, I don't think you're right in calling everyone idiots, but nevertheless. You're right that the forums needed a change for the better.
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From page 2 onwards, it's pretty off topic. I didn't expect that people would consider your race and culture on the internet. Bolded born in Japan because I do believe that on the internet, we should leave race and religion out of the question. But alas, it continued into a debate about what is ultimately the true culture you should be.
When it reached this particular post, all sense of communication with Saani has virtually broke down.
How do you always end up circling around the topic entirely?
I totally just pulled a tl;dr, and I'll just drop the note that regardless of anything, he's Japanese, and there isn't much more to it than that. Just because you made yourself look like an idiot in your "culture" post doesn't mean you have to cover it up by things that have absolutely nothing to do with anything and are completely illogical.
This is when, I can pretty safely say, we're not in mutual understand of each other's replies. Once again, it's not relevant to the thread topic of course. Nevertheless, I felt that I should state this in this thread.
Then comes this reply
Well, I don't usually like to spam useless posts anywhere in unless i think it would be funny to myself (you can see that I virtually don't post in ma/b/i at all). Having studied online interactions, I have a more of a not caring attitude towards forum people (whoever they are) rather than having anymore frustration. I just like this forum because they try to be helpful, somewhat, for mabinogi, especially when i ask newb questions and the fact that i can get mabi news fast. For pro questions, i use the nexon forums. So i don't like that ma/b/i shows up in New Posts section either as it crowds out the more useful posts and threads. Although the real /b/ is just as useless, some of the posts in there is actually funny.
Although, Forsaken, I'm sure you realized long ago that many people aren't as smart as you. They certainly will think in a much different way than you do. It's hard to understand how some people think. Most things that you say or do over the internet will not change them.
I would rant too, but I'm a chicken now (I actually don't like making people angry when I'm being genuine) so I'd rather keep the forums rather peaceful. I do enjoy some of the long dramatic threads on forums though.
Sometimes I wish I was dumber so I could enjoy my life and be at the present more.
This particular reply irked me, because I do realize that you're not much smarter than anyone else on the forums. I do realize that it's a matter of the amount of maturity the forum users are bringing about the forums.
Nevertheless, I said you're bold, not smart in the third page.
PAGE 3 and PAGE 4:
Alright then once again, name-calling. Not that I would be bothered by it, but by now, I've already linked this particular thread to my buddies from /gg FTW. Naturally, entertainment. I've told them not to register to troll you guys. From this point, Starpaw7 brought us back to the topic by stating how destructive you people are with threads like these which I've promptly agreed with. By then, a few more posts, I tried to come up with a solution. I've admitted that this section is virtually in the pits and took a few points that had been troubling the forums since the beginning. This included Saani's yaoi spamming threads, which I did not realize that Saani had stopped posting. I've also included particular threads of several individuals communicating using thread titles and the meme spam, the lack of originality. I've stated that these particular section isn't for intelligent posts, it isn't supposed to be important and all serious and it's a forum for people that are bored to communicate and relax. Do something silly and stuffs like that. In this particular post, I've shown that the /gg FTW community is now viewing your particular rant thread and is laughing at it.
The beginning of Page 4 is pretty much about closing Ma/b/inogi down and adding on to the rules and regulations of the site. Which by then, a particular user posted:
To the OP - WHAT DO YOU EXPECT?! Seriously. This is not a regular forum. This is a forum inspired by a game for 11 year olds who like anime. Do you REALLY expect to come here and have intelligent conversation? I've really only been to a few forums where the average age is above 16 and quality posting is encouraged, and those have either shut down, or I've been kicked out (for being too awesome, of course). This is not one of them.
However, it has its purpose. I come here to read a lot about Mabinogi and get news and help, and general discussion on the game. Stay out of the off topic forums, and it's more enjoyable. But seriously, considering the member base we have here, what are you expecting? It seems the only people with a highschool diploma are either moderators or like three other people (Forsaken, Sin, etc., anyone else who types properly and can clearly formulate their points in a post).
Again, I'm not bashing the forum or any of its users. Like I said, the forum serves its purpose as a Mabinogi discussion forum. But, OP, you're obviously well-educated and over 18 years old... this isn't the place for you. :P
Which then I promptly replied with this, on page 5:
Seriously, if they refuse to think twice before coming up with threads like this in a forum section where seriousness is not desired or looked upon.
I doubt they're 18.
Probably a bunch of pre-teens thinking they're so awesome dissing on all other users here.
I was like that 4 years ago. So yeah, anti-social, self-superiority.
Been there, done that.
If you're insulted by that, I'll apologize.
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Discussion about the population being 18 and above, acting like 11 year olds had been degraded quarrel with Saani and her previous Yaoi posting fetish all the way to the start of Page 7, there isn't alot to talk about this.
In my opinion, Saani should just grin and bear with it. People's opinions about her just couldn't change within a single night. Hell, I do have a friend labeled as a homosexual for 4 years straight, even though he's perfectly fine because he posted images of Jun all over /gg FTW's Random Forums. Even now, he's still being labeled as a homosexual. But what can he do? People's opinions, all you can do is grin and bear with it.
PAGE 7, 8 and 9:
Pretty much flames and anger about how Saani thinks people should forget about the past. Sadly, life doesn't works that way since you've stated that I'm a hypocritical idiot (Ironically doing exactly what you don't want people to do to you.). All the way to the time where Sin had posted:
Wow, I have been told to read your posts that I have ignored, NewbieNub. Consider them reported for off-topic trolling. For a supah doopah perfect member, you sure don't know how to abide the forum rules. This thread isn't about Saani's yaoi nor should you take old cows out of the canal. A word of advice to you would be to take a good long look in the mirror at yourself and reflect at what you've done. I have too. Everyone has. They love me.
By then, I've gone off the forums to rock it out in L4D2. Nevertheless, I'll leave no rocks unturned. so lets continue. Reading on, it's still about Saani and her Ex-Yaoi posting days.
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By then, it's pretty calm, no one's posting anything offensive even though it's not on topic.
PAGE 11, 12, 13 and 14:
Okay, these few pages are recently added in while I'm typing this, but I'm going to throw them all summarized anyway.
Basically, from page 11 onwards, Byte came back, saw the thread, raged hard. Most of the other users are probably either awake, or back from school, thus reigniting the flames that had died down. I do not know how long more this would last, but I would probably give it 2 more pages.
So okay, with all that summarized.
Everyone's at fault here.
I'm at fault for promoting spam in the Ma/b/inogi forums, I admit it. Though I do not know how much I've promoted, but I did try my best to warn users not to spam pointless topics, make pointless threads, flood it with stupidity and hope that it lives. I do agree that I did make a few retarded threads in the Ma/b/inogi forums. Like I've said, I rarely step out from the spam forums, but I'll apologize to Saani for the drawing board thread she've made in the General Thread (I think?). That is my fault for being too serious outside the Ma/b/inogi forums. But nevertheless, you're all at fault too. I'll start off with all of you, one by one.
Hopefully you're reading this Forsaken, because seriously we've all been immature.
Firstly, I do agree with your points. These forums has been going down to hell ever since a month or two ago. The drama, the spam, every single bit of it had been troublesome to deal with especially if it actually turns up on the front page of the Mabination website. I can understand that it's annoying to see crap threads made by several other unnamed users, but I'm pretty much used to ignoring what I don't like. So yeah. The community itself needs a fix. Nevertheless, you can't change people, you can only change yourself. You can state your opinions and your opinions would affect the way how they would judge you but it's still up to them to change if they want to. In a place like Spam Forums, to judge one personality through intelligence would be like judging the quality of an uncut diamond. It doesn't really work that way. I would like to think that the community here is indeed intelligent, just immature. And like all children, of course, you'll need a parent figure to get them all back into shape. You had ideas for these forums, why don't you just state them out instead of flaming and insulting the rest of the members? I'll ask you, did you ever try to change the community before, or are you just hoping that the community would change in your favor by itself? Because seriously, checking through your recent posts you did not do anything in any way to state your opinions about the community other than the last thread you've made. Personally, I think that you're in the wrong for stating that the forums is crap without even trying to change it. So, if you have the balls to spam **** like that on the forums, then grow some balls, change the way how people think even though it takes forever. It's not like you can't do it, can you?
Next, I'll apologize to Sin for being unfair to him ever since that particular thread in Spam Forums - http://mabination.com/mabination-community/ma-b-inogi/2952-troll.html But even so, don't you think you're being unfair to the community just because you've refused to widen your views to suit others? It's good that you've agreed with Forsaken with his points that the forums needs changing, but did you ever tried changing the community too? Just admit it, you and I, we've both been immature, really immature, towards each other with the name calling and forced flaming. We've could have changed the forums with all that effort instead of spamming, could have done something better rather than pissing everyone off. Indeed, it takes some time for one to change, but I'm willing to ignore the past and move onwards. It has been stupid to hold grudges against you, especially on the internet. For that, I'll apologize. I've read through the entire thread and realized that I'm partially in the wrong too, so yeah. I guess I ain't that "perfect lil' ***** of a forum user" eh?
And then, of course, to Saani. Personally, I should have forgotten about the past, but as you know (And experienced it for yourself in that particular thread) memories of a person's behaviour isn't something you can easily forget. The name "Saani the Yaoi Queen" will of course, forever be burnt in my mind, but if you're so very offended by it, then I'll change. I'll put the past away, if it's for the better. Most of these mistakes are not only done by me, but others too. With that, I hope the community would forgive and forget about this particular phase that we've been through and wipe the slate clean for Saani.
I'll apologize to the community too. Seeing how I've spammed many threads that makes no particular sense, posted images and treated the spam forums as if it's my own blog. Practically almost none of my threads were the quality threads that I'm supposed to offer up, seeing how I've wrote the guide to the spam forums, therefore I'll apologize for the crappy quality of the threads that has frequently appeared through out the Spam Forums. I've been hypocritical from time to time and I stick with my views too much. Knowing my faults, right now I would not disagree with someone, but rather, change my views to suit others better
Now, with that, I would like everyone to work together instead of standing divided. Look at us currently, what are we? A bunch of 14 year olds trying to say who's better at this or that? Personally, we should place our differences aside. Since Forsaken had posted his opinions, then we should change. Nevertheless, he could have posted it in a much milder version rather than ****talking the whole bunch of us, but even so, we should take his opinions to heart. You, my fellow forumers, know that the forum's going to the pits. Even so, we din't even try to change one bit. So, instead of randomly spamming one's replies on a particular thread, I would like everyone to read through their own replies and think if it's really supposed to be posted on the thread itself or not. We can all make quality posts instead of spamming random threads. Remember, a change in the community can only start if you decides to take the first step in changing. We've all known our own faults, you've seen it posted on the forums, deep down inside there's a part of you that agreed with it. So, lets all make the forums a better place.
And of course, everyone who's name had been stated in the thread Forsaken had made, please do not feel too offended about it. Cool your head and read through it, it does have a hint, no matter how small, of truth in it, doesn't it? No matter how screwed up we are, we can change. Just give us the time to do it. I'm pretty sure every single one of you can change.
With this, Forsaken, if you have any better opinions about how the forums should change for the better, feel free to give us an example instead of ranting your head off. It wouldn't hurt you to make a thread or reply to tell us your opinions doesn't it?
If I could have a request to all the moderators, let's not ban anyone for that particular thread. Personally, it's everybody's fault that the forums is in the state it is today. So, instead of going about, wasting effort and pointing blames about, lets all just work and patch up the faults that we've made. It's never too late.
So yes, I sincerely apologize for my attitude in that particular thread, I'm not very quite myself. I do have my own faults even though I do not like to admit them.
It's alright if this thread doesn't change your opinions that the community can change for the better. But I'm not going to give up that easily even if Mabination's spam forums isn't the forums I've frequent in.
Hell, you can sticky this thread up and let everyone read it.
The humiliation is mine.