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Reason's Not to Donate to Salvation Army.



So if you’re a member of some group not approved by standard Christian mores, it’s a craps-shoot whether you are going to receive help or not. That’s bad, but it gets worse, because the discrimination exists on the other side, too.


[SIZE="3"]The Salvation Army sometimes discards or destroys donations they don’t approve of[/SIZE]

If you donate something to the Salvation Army, such as a toy or a book, you would expect that it would almost certainly end up in the hands of a needy person, or at least at one of their thrift stores so that the proceeds could go to the needy. You would be wrong. The Sally Ann [slang for Salvation army] refuses to distribute the Twilight and Harry Potter toys because of their wizardry, vampire and werewolf content, said Capt. Pam Goodyear.

Please note: the undesirable toys are not sent to another charity, they are destroyed. [1]

It’s not just your donated Harry Potter and Twilight toys at risk of being silently destroyed, because, as Canadian Atheist‘s Ian Cromwell reveals, the Salvation Army burns destroys books. Which books? Well, some are reasonable candidates, like pornography (although, really, if you don’t want to distribute it, at least give it to another charity who might), but others…:


On the other hand, maybe they're doing the world a favour by keeping Harry Potter and Twilight out of the hands of children

"Cromwell: What books (besides pornography and promiscuity) are removed from your shelves?
Salvation Army spokesperson: Books that promote any religion other than Christianity. Certain authors who we know use bad language, explicit sex or violence in their books. Again, I repeat our knowledge in this area is limited so it is highly probable that we miss some unsuitable books.
Cromwell: What happens to those books? Are they put in a place where others may read them?
Salvation Army spokesperson: Destroyed, not re-circulated."

The Salvation Army has stated that the Harry Potter and Twilight toy thing is not an official policy (no word yet on the book thing), it is left to the discretion of the local churches, but bear in mind that there is no official policy either that selections should be made on a reasonable basis or that undesirable donations be redistributed via another charity. There isn’t even a policy in place to warn people that their donation might simply be thrown in the trash.

So unless there is nothing about you that hard-line Christian policy might find offensive, your chances of getting help from The Salvation Army are iffy. And unless your donation has no chance of offending such Christian sensibilities, it might just be silently destroyed. That makes donating to The Salvation Army a little more difficult to justify.

But wait, it gets worse.


[SIZE="3"]The Salvation Army is an explicitly and actively anti-gay organization[/SIZE]

[Image: http://arise-blog.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/salvation-army-donation-station-300x208.jpg]

Despite his clothing, that man is probably not gay.

So far, all of the problems I have listed with The Salvation Army can be shrugged off as isolated incidents; they could simply be cases of small groups of extremist nutters at the local level acting independently without the official sanction of the organization as a whole. The fact that the organization doesn’t seem to explicitly forbid such behaviours – except for the vaguest and weakest affirmations of wanting to provide social services without discrimination – is troubling, but not quite damning, because it is conceivable that they are actually institutionally frowned upon.

But then, there’s this:

It is important to understand that even while the organization always explains away these incidents initiatives by individual churches and not organization policy, the discrimination is organization policy. It is baldly stated on the main organization web site that The Salvation Army is anti-abortion and anti-gay. What is also notable are the things that are not said. For example, the official statement about “religious persecution” is all about persecution of Christians… and not a word is spent clarifying that the organization does not endorse discriminating against other religions. The closest that it comes to a non-discrimination policy so far as I can tell is in its statement on “human welfare”:

"All Salvation Army social welfare services are provided on a non-discriminatory basis; such services shall be equally available to all persons on the basis of need and capacity to benefit from the service."

That sounds good, but for two problems. First… it’s not true. As the examples I’ve mentioned illustrate, that’s just not the reality of The Salvation Army’s operations. But, more damningly, right before that section it states:

"All Salvation Army positions of full-time service, lay leadership, employment, and volunteer service are open to qualified persons, with exceptions dictated only by the religious purposes and moral positions of The Salvation Army."

Oops. So much for its opposition to unlawful, unjust, or immoral discrimination and its promotion of sensitivity, understanding, and communication.

So while the official policy of The Salvation Army does not allow for discrimination when providing services, it’s institutional philosophy is explicitly and shamelessly discriminatory. Thus it should not be surprising that the fact is that when it comes to practice, discrimination does happen in spite of their stated policy when providing its services. And, of course, discrimination is rampant and encouraged in all other aspects of the organization. The organization even actively campaigns – sometimes using back-room deals – to further discrimination, and is even willing to sacrifice its social services for the sake of the discrimination.
We can do better

The Salvation Army’s only virtues as a charitable organization seems to be that it’s big, and convenient. It’s certainly hard to deny the convenience of making a small donation while shopping at one of their kettles.
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But we can do better.[/SIZE]


There are organizations that do more good, without discriminatory qualifications, without the risk of having your donations simply discarded if they don’t measure up to fundamentalist Christian principles, and without supporting odious anti-tolerance campaigning as a side-effect.

Here is just a small sampling of alternatives available:

Doing good should not have qualifications. The Salvation Army is not bad because it’s Christian, it’s bad because it takes its Christianity more seriously than it takes its charitable calling. We can do better. The organizations will make the most of your support to do good, without taking the opportunity of your goodwill to harm others or further the cause of intolerance.

Give generously, but give wisely.

- http://arise-blog.org/2010/12/do-not-donate-to-the-salvation-army/


I thought this was interesting. With a bit of further research, you can see examples of some of the horrid things they have done. In one instance, a trans-woman died because they refused to let her into the shelter simply due to her trans status.

It does suck, though, since they're pretty much the base donation place for any cause, especially during the Holidays.
  • Osayidan wrote on 2011-12-26 03:36
    I give to very few charities, just don't trust them and this just makes me feel like I was right to do so.
    I also really dislike how there's so many charities and multi-millions of dollars given to other countries (our taxpayer money) as charity, while we have so many problems right here. It may sound selfish but we need to help ourselves before we can start to help others. That 10 million dollars (example) of tax money sent to africa to feed some poor villagers could have helped get some kids off the streets and get an education.
  • Episkey wrote on 2011-12-26 03:37
    Hmmm ... All I can say is wow. I would have never knew.
    I would like to point out this sentence that the author wrote:

    "The Salvation Army is not bad because it’s Christian, it’s bad because it takes its Christianity more seriously than it takes its charitable calling."

    Idealistically, they would provide help to everyone in conjunction with sharing the gospel of Jesus Christ. Since those situations seem to be from isolated places, I hope that as an organization they can improve their charity ... outreach? (I can't think of a better word)

    What baffles me is that they flat out rejected service to non-Christians. If anything, non-Christians should be on their priority list lol.
    They are the people in the most need, whether they like to admit it or not.

    I've personally never donated to the Salvation Army before, any donations I've made have been to the American Red Cross.
    It was an interesting read.
  • Akemii wrote on 2011-12-26 03:38
    Salvation Army fed me and my family after all the floods we went through.
  • Micho wrote on 2011-12-26 03:43
    Yeah I saw this on tumblr. It's actually quite frightening.

    But seriously, this is supposed to be an organization that helps people, by people anyone who is need of help. How could they possibly refuse to give someone necessities? Just because of someone's sexual orientation they refuse to help them? Really, it's so hard to find actual charity organization that do actual good for everyone and not just people who they see fit. Bleh, I want to go stab some Formors on Vindictus now.
  • Spanky wrote on 2011-12-26 03:46
    Quote from Akemii;706446:
    Salvation Army fed me and my family after all the floods we went through.


    This. Except with Hurricane Ivan
    MREs and Water
    kept us fed and hydrated in the blistering heat of the hurricane season
    That article pisses me
    off they help so many people

    they can believe whatever they want
    they're just trying to do what they think is best
  • Cynic wrote on 2011-12-26 03:49
    Quote from Osayidan;706444:
    I give to very few charities, just don't trust them and this just makes me feel like I was right to do so.
    I also really dislike how there's so many charities and multi-millions of dollars given to other countries (our taxpayer money) as charity, while we have so many problems right here. It may sound selfish but we need to help ourselves before we can start to help others. That 10 million dollars (example) of tax money sent to africa to feed some poor villagers could have helped get some kids off the streets and get an education.


    That's basically how my Mom and I think. That isn't to say that I don't feel for those in need in other places, but America is fond of ignoring their own people's problems. Which is pretty damn retarded.


    Quote from Episkey;706445:
    Hmmm ... All I can say is wow. I would have never knew.
    I would like to point out this sentence that the author wrote:

    "The Salvation Army is not bad because it’s Christian, it’s bad because it takes its Christianity more seriously than it takes its charitable calling."

    Idealistically, they would provide help to everyone in conjunction with sharing the gospel of Jesus Christ. Since those situations seem to be from isolated places, I hope that as an organization they can improve their charity ... outreach? (I can't think of a better word)

    What baffles me is that they flat out rejected service to non-Christians. If anything, non-Christians should be on their priority list lol.
    They are the people in the most need, whether they like to admit it or not.

    I've personally never donated to the Salvation Army before, any donations I've made have been to the American Red Cross.
    It was an interesting read.


    Well, I usually dislike those who try and forcefully convert others and am thankful they're not trying to do so, but it's downright disgusting to deny people basics needs just because they're not Christian. I thought they were supposed to be understanding and love all humans as God does, not discriminate against them just because they don't share the same beliefs?

    So I have mixed feelings on that.


    Quote from Micho;706451:
    Yeah I saw this on tumblr. It's actually quite frightening.

    But seriously, this is supposed to be an organization that helps people, by people anyone who is need of help. How could they possibly refuse to give someone necessities? Just because of someone's sexual orientation they refuse to help them? Really, it's so hard to find actual charity organization that do actual good for everyone and not just people who they see fit. Bleh, I want to go stab some Formors on Vindictus now.


    It's one of the big issues with religion. They claim to help out of the good of their hearts/because they are a good Christian, but in reality, they only do it for the sake of pubic appearances.

    Now, that isn't to say that EVERYONE is like that, but I can tell most of the workers/higher ups there are like that. Which is shameful.

    Religion, politics and all that jazz should be kept out of the picture when it comes to helping people. You shouldn't help because God told you to, or you want his good graces, or even if you want to look good to your friends; you should help because it's the right thing to do. And that's that.
  • Kollin wrote on 2011-12-26 03:52
    I rarely trust charities or any organization that wants you to give them money, ESPECIALLY if they are a religious organization. As much as I would love to donate some money to help people who need it, I don't trust any organization or charity [S]especially religious ones[/S] to actually use it for what it is intended for.
  • Micho wrote on 2011-12-26 03:57
    Quote from Spanky;706455:
    This. Except with Hurricane Ivan
    MREs and Water
    kept us fed and hydrated in the blistering heat of the hurricane season
    That article pisses me
    off they help so many people

    they can believe whatever they want
    they're just trying to do what they think is best


    Yes they helped many people, and that's a good cause. But don't you think it's a bit hypocritical and generally mean to refuse service for people who are LBGT? They're running a charity, whatever they get through donations they should be thankful of, to discard some items simply because they don't "approve" of it, what right do they have? They're basically putting they're beliefs first instead of helping everyone or anyone who needs help, basically blocking people of their needs simply because they're gay? Not cool.

    Quote from Akemii;706446:
    Salvation Army fed me and my family after all the floods we went through.


    If they knew you were bisexual, do you really think they would have still offered you help? Based off this article, I can only imagine them denying you and your family needs if they found out you weren't straight.
  • Zid wrote on 2011-12-26 04:15
    It's discriminatory, yes. One could also look at it this way: be biased in helping people, or not helping any people at all?

    I'm not supporting discrimination, but this is charity, not law. The fact that they're actually helping at least one group of people of their choice, is better than nothing.

    Like the article said, if you don't like it, make sure your donations go into the hands of other people that cater to your interests.
  • Cynic wrote on 2011-12-26 04:28
    Quote from Zid;706527:
    It's discriminatory, yes. One could also look at it this way: be biased in helping people, or not helping any people at all?

    I'm not supporting discrimination, but this is charity, not law. The fact that they're actually helping at least one group of people of their choice, is better than nothing.

    Like the article said, if you don't like it, make sure your donations go into the hands of other people that cater to your interests.


    And Mengele did what he did in order to help people in his own warped way, which it did to an extent.

    [Image: http://i40.tinypic.com/16b09b4.gif]
  • Zid wrote on 2011-12-26 04:32
    Quote from Cynic;706545:
    And Mengele did what he did in order to help people in his own warped way, which it did to an extent.


    Denial of services (a right given to any American, regardless of religion or lack thereof, living here) based off of one's own wealth for the sake of helping isn't even on the same analogical category as Mengele.
  • BobYoMeowMeow wrote on 2011-12-26 04:51
    Charities are fine as long as they don't discriminate based on philosophical beliefs
    However, if they choose to act this way, a federal program helping the unfortunate is called for
  • Cynic wrote on 2011-12-26 04:54
    Quote from Zid;706547:
    Denial of services (a right given to any American, regardless of religion or lack thereof, living here) based off of one's own wealth for the sake of helping isn't even on the same analogical category as Mengele.


    Letting people suffer and die because of what they believe or who they are isn't very different from what Mengele did. He did it for a supposed higher cause/his own satisfaction.

    These people are denying them because of their own beliefs and for a greater cause (God).

    That doesn't seem very different at all.
  • Zid wrote on 2011-12-26 05:02
    Quote from Cynic;706584:
    Letting people suffer and die because of what they believe or who they are isn't very different from what Mengele did. He did it for a supposed higher cause/his own satisfaction.

    These people are denying them because of their own beliefs and for a greater cause (God).

    That doesn't seem very different at all.


    That isn't any different from many people, especially those who have the "excess" wealth, but refuse to share it in the name of charity.

    If you find similarities with this and Mengele, then Mengele is like a lot of us who don't care to donate, but keep the money to ourselves for our own satisfaction or higher cause (family, friends, etc.).

    These same people are denying the poor people because of their own perceived importance and their own belief of distribution.

    For example: http://dokmul.tumblr.com/post/14789300266/anakhunda-o-tabibaum-santaecclaus-wow

    And I don't know which one of them are Christians or not.