Obama signs NDAA

• lightychan wrote on 2012-01-01 00:05
  yup guys. We're done for.
  http://thinkprogress.org/security/2011/12/31/396018/breaking-obama-signs-defense-authorization-bill/
  
  the National Defense Authorization Act – a law recently passed by the Senate which would place domestic terror investigations and interrogations into the hands of the military and which would open the door for trial-free, indefinite detention of anyone, including American citizens, so long as the government calls them terrorists.
  http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2011/12/05/the-national-defense-authorization-act-is-the-greatest-threat-to-civil-liberties-americans-face/
• Cynic wrote on 2012-01-01 00:09
  Not surprised, but still ashamed.
  
  I wonder who forced him into signing it.
• Cannibal wrote on 2012-01-01 00:14
  Oh fun.
• Mjoshua wrote on 2012-01-01 00:21
  [Image: http://images.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/10005922.jpg]

  
  
  Not surprised by this news whatsoever.
• Cow wrote on 2012-01-01 00:22
  What exactly does it do?
  I'm stupid. I'm sorry. ;_;
• Cynic wrote on 2012-01-01 00:23

  Quote from Cow;715749:

  What exactly does it do?
  I'm stupid. I'm sorry. ;_;

  
  
  To give you the tl;dr; version;
  
  Think Nazi Germany amplified by 100 (plus heartless, trained [S]killers[/S] soldiers stationed at said camps) + V for Vendetta.
• Morrigan wrote on 2012-01-01 00:28
  So basically they can throw anti-Obama supporters into jail, by accusing them of being "terrorists".
• Episkey wrote on 2012-01-01 00:28
  I find it funny that in his statement President Obama says this:
  
  "The fact that I support this bill as a whole does not mean I agree with everything in it. In particular, I have signed this bill despite having serious reservations with certain provisions that regulate the detention, interrogation, and prosecution of suspected terrorists."
  
  If he had "serious reservations", shouldn't he had just vetoed it?
  If Congress repealed it, then I'm sure the amount of complaints from people would be less ... But hey, let's see where this leads.
  
  

  Quote from Cynic;715755:

  To give you the tl;dr; version;
  
  Think Nazi Germany amplified by 100 (plus heartless, trained [S]killers[/S] soldiers stationed at said camps) + V for Vendetta.

  
  
  I'm sorry, but that just sounds horrible. :gloom3:
• Cynic wrote on 2012-01-01 00:31
  You guys are forgetting that even if he voted against it, it still would have passed. He was probably forced into signing it to make it go faster, or he somehow hoped he could reason with them for certain terms (as he mentioned above) by signing it.
  
  It's ridiculous that you're all still under the notion he's the one in charge of this movement. Or rather, has any major power over it.
  There isn't anything even the President can do to lighten this load. We can only keep to ourselves from now on and try not to piss over the government until we can all get the f*ck out of this sh*thole of a country.
• Rocketjarate wrote on 2012-01-01 00:33
  Oh geeze....
  Welcome to the U.S.S.A.
  Sieg Heil!!! -Salutes-
• Morrigan wrote on 2012-01-01 00:33

  Quote from Cynic;715769:

  You guys are forgetting that even if he voted against it, it still would have passed. He was probably forced into signing it to make it go faster, or he somehow hoped he could reason with them for certain terms (as he mentioned above) by signing it.
  
  It's ridiculous that you're all still under the notion he's the one in charge of this movement. Or rather, has any major power over it.
  There isn't anything even the President can do to lighten this load. We can only keep to ourselves from now on and try not to piss over the government until we can all get the f*ck out of this sh*thole of a country.

  
  
  Yeah, but that doesn't change the fact that the government hates Anti-Obama supporters.
• Osayidan wrote on 2012-01-01 00:33
  Now anyone who disapproved of SOPA can be called a terrorist.
• Cynic wrote on 2012-01-01 00:35

  Quote from Morrigan;715773:

  Yeah, but that doesn't change the fact that the government hates Anti-Obama supporters.

  
  
  That doesn't mean that he himself approves of their methods. Naturally the government in charge of these camps will use any excuse when detaining their victims, but to put blame on Obama for it? That's just silly. It would be the same even if we had another President. They'll throw around whoevers name for whatever reason if it serves their purposes.
• lightychan wrote on 2012-01-01 00:36

  Quote from Cynic;715769:

  You guys are forgetting that even if he voted against it, it still would have passed. He was probably forced into signing it to make it go faster, or he somehow hoped he could reason with them for certain terms (as he mentioned above) by signing it.
  
  It's ridiculous that you're all still under the notion he's the one in charge of this movement. Or rather, has any major power over it.
  There isn't anything even the President can do to lighten this load. We can only keep to ourselves from now on and try not to piss over the government until we can all get the f*ck out of this sh*thole of a country.

  
  
  true :v...
  The congress has hella power
• Yoorah wrote on 2012-01-01 00:37
  I think they needed to sign it ASAP to ensure for proper funding for the DOD/military?
  Vetoing it wouldn't be a good idea, as from what I remember, it had strong bipartisan support. No point in fighting it when it will most likely not be abused. There's a provision in the bill that states that citizens and legal residents actually are exempt from this, but there is an issue with the wording, which makes it a bit confusing.
  I started a thread about it earlier, here.
  
  Besides, they don't need this bill to be able to designate American citizens as terrorists and then put them on an assassination list. It's been done already, with that American dude who went to Yemen or whatever and became an author of some terrorist magazine.