Lol.
Yes, Lann is totally op, lets nerf him. *facepalm*
Seriously though, lets look at it this way
Evie has:
-High Survivability (Amber + Mana Shield)
[FONT="Comic Sans MS"]Most of the higher-end bosses can take out her shields in 2~3 hits, after that she will be lucky to take 2 more.[/FONT]
-The ability to heal (Conera + Regeneration + Manashield Regen)
[FONT="Comic Sans MS"]2 SP Bars and the other is a 3-minute cooldown, but still great for parties/longer runs and faster + safer than an HP Potion.
Don't forget Alchemy:Transformation Erg - nice for soloing between rooms.
Mana Shield Regeneration has nothing to do with Healing.[/FONT]
-the ability to stun or freeze (Mercury Trap + Ice magic + Reverse Gravity)
[FONT="Comic Sans MS"]Merucry Trap does not work on all bosses.
Every class can stun.
4 SP Bars for Reverse Gravity so you won't see it nearly as much as the other skills - and may rather choose Regeneration over this.
Freezing does give a good few seconds, but then has a few minutes of a "cooldown" before it can freeze for the full duration again.[/FONT]
-the ability to summon things with their own AI. (Mana Pistol + Golem + Wisp)
[FONT="Comic Sans MS"]Wisps will only last 1 or 2 hits later on, and need a Scythe to do so, which eliminates Mana Amber/other Staff options.
Golems generally frowned upon in parties, and won't last very long in higher bosses - but still great for soloing.
Mana Pistols are better, but I haven't tested them out yet (but will not last much longer either)[/FONT]
-Fights from a Distance, while the rest of the classes rub their bodies against raids.
[FONT="Comic Sans MS"]Frankly, Evie's Magic Arrow range is so little, but with the time you have to charge spells it will much of the time be your better option.
Forget using Blind Arrow unless they are stunned, frozen (first stage), trapped, or whaling on another player.[/FONT]
-Has a high damage output, and is easier to reach higher attack
[FONT="Comic Sans MS"]No clue on the higher attack, except the other classes could get many more hits in per second.[/FONT]
-Has more skills than any other class, a lot of them being high damage output smash spells.
[FONT="Comic Sans MS"]See more above.
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Evie's role in this game: Healer/DPS/Tank/Ranged/Summoner/Support
[FONT="Comic Sans MS"]What are you talking about?
Mana Amber = high Stamina cost, and in the face-paced battle she cannot keep spamming it without being left vulnerable.
Mana Shield = Second chance, and ~14 seconds (with about 2,000 INT, of course could be wrong) is enough for them to die before another shield can come up.
Not to mention if the boss does a combo against them.
You better know what on Earth you are doing while as them and how to dodge with practice.[/FONT]
bawww Mana shield breaks, but guess what? It also comes back, which is a lot faster of a process then regular HP regen for the rest of the classes.
Mana Shields do not recover Health, and it is a bad situation when you have very low Health and have to depend 100% on your Shields.
It's the endgame lanns and hamionas with stacked def that are doing the most damage. Evie's mana shields get knocked out fast and then it's a 2-3 hit ko from most raid bosses.
Most of the higher-end bosses can take out her shields in 2~3 hits, after that she will be lucky to take 2 more.
2 SP Bars and the other is a 3-minute cooldown, but still great for parties/longer runs and faster + safer than an HP Potion.
Mana Regeneration has nothing to do with Healing.
Merucry Trap does not work on all bosses.
Every class can stun.
4 SP Bars for Reverse Gravity so you won't see it nearly as much as the other skills - and may rather choose Regeneration over this.
Freezing does give a good few seconds, but then has a few minutes of a "cooldown" before it can freeze for the full duration again.
Wisps will only last 1 or 2 hits later on, and need a Scythe to do so, which eliminates Mana Amber/other Staff options.
Golems generally frowned upon in parties, and won't last very long in higher bosses - but still great for soloing.
Mana Pistols are better, but I haven't tested them out yet (butwill not last much longer either)
No clue on the higher attack, except the other classes could get many more hits in per second.
Frankly, Evie's Magic Arrow range is so little, but with the time you have to charge spells it will much of the time be your better option.
Forget using Blind Arrow unless they are stunned, frozen (first stage), trapped, or whaling on another player.
What are you talking about?
Mana Amber = high Stamina cost, and in the face-paced battle she cannot keep spamming it without being left vulnerable.
Mana Shield = Second chance, and ~14 seconds (with about 2,000 INT, of course could be wrong) is enough for them to die before another shield can come up.
Not to mention if the boss does a combo against them.
You better know what on Earth you are doing while as them and how to dodge with practice.
Mana Shields do not recover Health, and it is a bad situation when you have very low Health and have to depend 100% on your Shields.
I'm not really sure if OP is the right word, but if this game had an easy mode, it be Evie.totally not a sex joke there I swear.
Lann's HP gets knocked out pretty fast too, and then its a 2-3minute wait to be ressed. :D
Defense stacking is the common answer to this. Who needs to not get hit when you only take 100 damage per hit anyways?
Most of the higher end bosses rape the other classes too, but they don't get the luxury of those manashield hits, and Manashield is completley overpowered in pretty much everything leading up to the jump from Dungeoning to Raids.
Also, Manashield comes back, HP does NOT regenerate.
I already mentioned defense stacking, but I'll mention it again! Most nonraids are overly simple for any class, so it's a fairly useless point to bring that up. Ingkara and Chiulin are probably the hardest nonraids, and Lann and Fionas were the only ones with solo strats before Trans/boss HP nerf.
Not really arguing against me, all the other classes get to use non instant hp recovery methods, where the boss ususally decides to shift aggro to those using potions.
And I seriously do not see why you have so many problems with HP. You can use potions on every raid, solo, and not get hit. The biggest risk in any raid is getting killed in one hit, which Evies end up against more often. I mean it's still nice to have those options, but every other class benefits from Regen/Corona more than Evie does.
Also Restoration is a lovely enchant if you're a Karok or Fiona
"Also, Manashield comes back, HP does NOT regenerate." Its essentially more hits you can take if you're good with amber. I just view Manashield as Evie's cheap extra HP.
Even a Lann with mediocre defense can take as many hits as an Evie. If a Lann takes 3 hits to kill, a really well geared Evie will take just about as many to kill. Mana Shield is actually really the most useful for the super armor it grants, which allows her to blow through weaker attacks.
Thats nice, but what about everything in a dungeon, dungeon bosses, and even some lower raids. Oh wait, people don't seem to accept that part of this game exists...
And isn't Spear Lann the best for nearly all of those? Since those were the times when you could outdamage the boss and kill them easily before you died. Trans makes it even easier. Fiona and Karok get the short end of the stick here, and it really doesn't hurt them much
Evie has moar stuns.
Colru.
Freezing is estially Evie's moar stun, and its more effective than Dark Knight's Fissure...
I actually disagree with Starpaw here as every other class' "stun" are unreliable and random at best. This is probably Staff Evie's strongest point, and even then it mostly benefits the party.
Yeah yeah, Scythes are actually balacned, but when compared to the jesus staff, they suck.
They're great... compared to the other "sucky" weapons. Ideally all weapons would be viable, and I'd perfer they improve the weaker weapons instead of weakening the stronger ones.
With golems, Evie can solo Hidden early and rack up those levels. :|
Spin2win > Golem for Hidden soloing. It's probably more effective to party with one or two other people initially anyways, as solo DPS is still lacking for efficient Spider soloing.
Mana pistols are great combined with golem, or just in general for an aggro drawer. But they still hit pretty hard if you consider that they're AI, and you can attack along side them.
Golems still are terrible and they hit about as hard as a Sword Fiona's L. Sure it's better than nothing, but it's not all that great. There's a reason why most Evies only use Golem to move ballista spears. Pistols are pretty good though, but only for the aggro.
Sure the proest of pro spear lanns could probably out damage an evie, but I'm talking the average class vs the average evie.
This is key, I'll come back to this shortly
But she's not rubbing her body against bosses, which can be catastrophic against things that turn their entire body into a hitbox.
And evie has those stuns.
Already addressed the stuns. But Magic Arrow's range isn't all that great. Colru and Glas have enough range to hit Evie out of all her spells except Ice Spear and Blind Arrow. And you'll have terrible damage output if you only cycle those two due to cooldown.
But mana amber has the tendancy to send evie flying across the room away from a boss, so unless you're the only person left alive. You don't need to spam it.
Also means you're not able to do damage right afterwards. It lowers her overall damage which will void one of your later points
Long text.
You forgot to mention amount of practice it takes to be a decent Evie =/= amount of practice it takes to be a decent Lann.
I've seen more than enough Evies with weaker stats let their Amber carry them to safety. Meanwhile, I see a spear Lann with superior stats get knocked around by the same boss, same run.
@Invertex
The key to reaching the ceiling for, pretty much, all other classes, is pay2win.
It's the endgame lanns and hamionas with stacked def that are doing the most damage. Evie's mana shields get knocked out fast and then it's a 2-3 hit ko from most raid bosses.
[FONT=Comic Sans MS]Thats nice, but what about everything in a dungeon, dungeon bosses, and even some lower raids. Oh wait, people don't seem to accept that part of this game exists...[/FONT]Because anyone who's been playing for a while has spent way more time raiding than they ever did on any of that stuff... unless they went farming or something.
Already addressed the stuns. But Magic Arrow's range isn't all that great. Colru and Glas have enough range to hit Evie out of all her spells except Ice Spear and Blind Arrow. And you'll have terrible damage output if you only cycle those two due to cooldown.There are other issues, too. Blind Arrow and Ice Arrow don't lock on to Glas, meaning most shots will go between his feet... If you line up the aim properly, you could probably get Ice spear to hit, but a lot of Blind Arrow will miss no matter how you do it. With that said, Blind Arrow is kind of useless against Glas, or at least I never like using it over more reliable options. I only use Ice spear to freeze it, and only if it's downed.
The key to reaching the ceiling for, pretty much, all other classes, is pay2win.
The potential for Fiona, Lann, and Karok with stats are just absurd, but it's a lot harder to reach this potential.
I am so sick of hearing this, lol. You really don't need to pay a cent, just play/do raids regularly and you'll end up with rare items. The drop rate is decent enough that if you do it with any sort of consistency, you're bound to get good stuff over time, even if you're pretty unlucky. For some reason people object to raiding and think it sucks, but what else would you rather do while playing? You don't have to anyway, and may make more money straight up farming random missions if you actually find that more enjoyable. If you like neither of these options, then perhaps you don't like playing the game in the first place.
Lol.
Yes, Lann is totally op, lets nerf him. *facepalm*
Seriously though, lets look at it this way
Evie has:
-High Survivability (Amber + Mana Shield)
-The ability to heal (Conera + Regeneration + Manashield Regen)
-the ability to stun or freeze (Mercury Trap + Ice magic + Reverse Gravity)
-the ability to summon things with their own AI. (Mana Pistol + Golem + Wisp)
-Fights from a Distance, while the rest of the classes rub their bodies against raids.
-Has a high damage output, and is easier to reach higher attack
-Has more skills than any other class, a lot of them being high damage output smash spells.
Evie's role in this game: Healer/DPS/Tank/Ranged/Summoner/Support
Lann's Role in this game: DPS/[s]Seal of Dedication farming[/s]
Fiona's role in this game: Tank
Karok's role in this game: Tank/DPS
bawww Mana shield breaks, but guess what? It also comes back, which is a lot faster of a process then regular HP regen for the rest of the classes.
Yeah, totally not op.