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Yoorah wrote on 2012-01-21 05:13
As political support for the SOPA and PIPA anti-piracy bills is waning in Washington, unions representing Hollywood talent urged congressional supporters to hang tough and took aim at Google and other backers of Wednesday's massive Internet blackout.
"We know the pressure that you are getting to renege on your commitment," the guilds wrote in a letter to Democratic senators from New York, Charles E. Schumer and Kirsten Gillibrand, co-sponsors of the Protect Intellectual Property Act, which will be taken up by the Senate next week. "We are the voice of thousands of individuals who thank you for your standing steadfast against this barrage and in support of the jobs of our members."
The letter, signed by unions representing more than 400,000 actors, directors, performers and crafts people, defended the bill, which has been blasted by major tech companies as an impediment to free speech that could force some legitimate companies to shut down. But the unions accused Google and other critics of distorting facts about what the bill would actually do.
"The Protect IP Act does nothing more than make it possible for the U.S. government to handle illegal foreign websites in the same manner it can already do -- and has been doing -- with illegal sites. It has no impact at all on the legal U.S. sites that people are being told will disappear.... We are greatly offended that our advocacy of this bill has turned into an implication that we promote censorship. Our commitment to the First Amendment is decades old and long established -- it is a matter of public record from long before the word "Internet" was part of our vocabulary."
Moar
here.
The other side to the story.
And no, these are not the fat, greedy execs we're talking about here. They are merely workers who would like the government to have the legal tools to protect their work, jobs and income, in situations where currently the government is powerless to do so.
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Cheerios wrote on 2012-01-21 05:17
They already have the tools to protect their work. SOPA/PIPA is absolute censorship, not a tool to protect artists works
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Juno wrote on 2012-01-21 05:19
If what they're saying about PIPA is true, it doesn't sound bad.
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ValkyrieHamster wrote on 2012-01-21 05:19
Quote from Cheerios;743526:
They already have the tools to protect their work. SOPA/PIPA is absolute censorship, not a tool to protect artists works
This ^
Hilarious quote from the article comments:
"The world did not deal with piracy in the 19th century by closing off the oceans."
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Yoorah wrote on 2012-01-21 05:36
Quote from Cheerios;743526:
They already have the tools to protect their work. SOPA/PIPA is absolute censorship, not a tool to protect artists works
Incorrect. If the site is overseas, they can't do much.
Quote from Juno;743529:
If what they're saying about PIPA is true, it doesn't sound bad.
Indeed. The problem lies in the various details. It could be a pretty good law if it was written better.
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Cucurbita wrote on 2012-01-21 05:45
Quote from Yoorah;743562:
Incorrect. If the site is overseas, they can't do much.
Megaupload was definitely overseas.
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Cucurbita wrote on 2012-01-21 05:46
Quote from Yoorah;743562:
Incorrect. If the site is overseas, they can't do much.
Megaupload was definitely overseas.
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Cheerios wrote on 2012-01-21 05:51
also @400k
https://twitter.com/YourAnonNews
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400k producers vs the world. If the people against sopa were to get signatures to make it vanish once and for all im quite sure this story would've ended already
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Yoorah wrote on 2012-01-21 05:59
Quote from Cucurbita;743577:
Megaupload was definitely overseas.
Nope, it had operations within the US.
Quote from Cheerios;743586:
also @400k
https://twitter.com/YourAnonNews
[Image: http://puu.sh/e2Te]
[Image: http://puu.sh/e2Tz]
400k producers vs the world. If the people against sopa were to get signatures to make it vanish once and for all im quite sure this story would've ended already
A misinformed, misled mob isn't a good example to judge anything.
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TA wrote on 2012-01-21 06:05
That article is a total lie. Don't let yourself be so easily swayed by propaganda.
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Cheerios wrote on 2012-01-21 06:05
Quote from Yoorah;743605:
A misinformed, misled mob isn't a good example to judge anything.
A misinformed mob with a paper sheet filled with signatures judges a lot, also was this uninformed mob that made SOPA/PIPA go back to the shelf. Also what makes you think employees from the media industries are judging the situation properly?
>Sales plummet = piracy
>world with an economic crisis
>prices consoles over $500 / games/dvds for over $60
>complains about piracy screwing their sales
They're a bunch of capitalist pigs that are only defending their interests
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Yoorah wrote on 2012-01-21 06:46
Quote from TA;743613:
That article is a total lie. Don't let yourself be so easily swayed by propaganda.
That goes both ways. More so for your side than theirs.
Quote from Cheerios;743614:
A misinformed mob with a paper sheet filled with signatures judges a lot, also was this uninformed mob that made SOPA/PIPA go back to the shelf. Also what makes you think employees from the media industries are judging the situation properly?
>Sales plummet = piracy
>world with an economic crisis
>prices consoles over $500 / games/dvds for over $60
>complains about piracy screwing their sales
They're a bunch of capitalist pigs that are only defending their interests
More illogical points. And lol @ complaining about capitalism.
People who actually make things have more say.
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Cheerios wrote on 2012-01-21 07:11
Quote from Yoorah;743653:
More illogical points. And lol @ complaining about capitalism.
People who actually make things have more say.
Thats, by far, the worst logic i ever heard in my whole life. Also i used the term capitalist pigs as an insult, by far im not complaining about the society we live in
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Yoorah wrote on 2012-01-21 07:59
Calling the workers who produce the goods capitalist pigs? Good job. But I suppose that since you aren't even from the US, with your country not producing the goods in question, you'd have no relation and wouldn't care or understand either way.
While I think that trying to link every pirated product to a lost sale is stupid, it is just as stupid to assume that piracy doesn't hurt the industry.
Hard-working people who build a product should have the freedom to price the product how they see fit, without fear of some assholes pirating it 'cause they think it's not worth the price, or whatever other stupid reason they come up with. These people should also expect the government to be able to defend their works from pirates, just like physical goods, which the government currently cannot do in many cases. Hence, new laws are needed.
Responding to common sense with stuff like "Thats, by far, the worst logic i ever heard in my whole life." is pretty silly.
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Cheerios wrote on 2012-01-21 09:01
I didn't said piracy doesn't hurt the industry, obviously it does, not everyone that downloads a movie or a game or a song is going to buy it next. Though its not only piracy that is making these industries sales plummet, look for example the movie and music industry.
It's been proven by statistics and studies that video games are winning against Hollywood. They need to just admit their defeat, im pretty sure they have employees that make these studies for them and keep them informed of what people want, they know well everyone rather pay for a game rather than a 1 and 1/2 hour crappy movie, however the CEOs of these companies rather blame piracy of their low sales than admit they're being repetitive and unoriginal. You aren't seeing companies like valve complaining "portal 2 sales sucked thanks to piracy" now are you?
Imo, movie companies are losing their touch, most movies all look the same, have the same plot, end the same way come either from popular books/games/comics people are tired and tired of seeing. Everyone is just tired of the current unoriginality and just decide to bolster some more money and get a game instead to have more fun (even though i have to admit, 60 bucks for a game is starting to become a theft).
About the music. Just look at the top artists these days, theres even artists that don't compose their own songs, they just sing stuff composed by other people and that were great hits on the past
tl;dr movies suck these days, people wont buy them, CEOs use piracy as scapegoat for their own incompetence