Ah, it goes back to that same dead-ended and circular argument.
They can't reproduce!
Pro Gay: Gays help China and India try not to overpopulate. We need more of them over there.
wut....
The only reason I think ANYONE can say its not right is because they cant reproduce.
If they could, half of the anti-gay people cant say a thing.
Two words.
Go girl.
:)
The world needs less people like you. It is 2010. We don't need any of this crap.
I do not mean to cause any offense with my post. I am merely expressing my opinion as you as entitled to yours. Just as you are for gay marriage, I am against the notion. However, there is no need to attack a person for their beliefs, gay or straight. But I feel like in 2010, increasing amounts of people are not allowed to say what they believe is right and wrong because the pro-gay community is attacking that right and ASSOCIATING ANYONE NOT AGREEING WITH THEIR VIEWS AS HATEFUL.
However, most people that are against gays DO NOT HATE GAY PEOPLE but rather their lifestyle of being gay. You can still like a person and hate their lifestyle (aka a husband that is a couch potato).
However, what appalls me is that a group of protesters to gay pride were quickly arrested for demonstrating PEACEFULLY. Again, it was not a demonstration saying "Burn all gays" or something hateful like that, but rather "Gay marriage is breaking down the morals, etc". While gay people can demonstrate freely without persecution. It's a double standard.
One thing I disagree with is that people can choose to be GAY or NOT. It is a fact that there are brain differences between straight people and gay people. Supposedly, the hypothalamus of gay men are slightly different then those of straight men. However, brain differences alone does not force someone to act one way or another. For example, some people have overactive amygdalas associated with increased levels of aggression over people with normal amygdalas. However, just because one's amygdala is overactive does not justify for domestic violence in a court case. How ridiculous would it be to argue in court: "But your honor, my enlarged amydala forced me to be an aggressive and violent person, I have no choice in that sir!"
What makes it wrong to be gay?
If someone can answer that question without making any religious references I'll give them a "get out of ban free" card. (and depending on your answer you might need to make use of it rather soon).
(Caugh) <- Happily married Lesbian couple with a non-adopted baby girl(the hell I put boy). Just because I'm married to a woman doesn't mean I'm incapable of bearing a child.
Btw, I'm a teacher. My wife also happens to be a teacher, and we happen to be working at the same school. We see alot of hurtfull things, but we just take it as an insult to them.
One thing I disagree with is that people can choose to be GAY or NOT. It is a fact that there are brain differences between straight people and gay people. Supposedly, the hypothalamus of gay men are slightly different then those of straight men. However, brain differences alone does not force someone to act one way or another. For example, some people have overactive amygdalas associated with increased levels of aggression over people with normal amygdalas. However, just because one's amygdala is overactive does not justify for domestic violence in a court case. How ridiculous would it be to argue in court: "But your honor, my enlarged amygdala forced me to be an aggressive and violent person, I have no choice in that sir!"
But what about civil marriages? They're more legal than religious.
Changing the name would only happen to satisfy certain groups of people, I agree. But that's so unfair and wrong.
lol @ this debate btw. We're all pretty much for it and no one's against it.
I'm boooored.
I apologize for the forceful tone of voice in my previous post then.
But it is not a gay "lifestyle." It is the exact same life you live only that we are attracted to people of the same sex. Everything the same, but that.
I wouldn't say exactly the same. Even many gay people are significantly different from each other, some that are over the top about gay culture while others are what you say, barely any different from straight people. However, in popular media, it is the flamboyantly gay that stand out.
I just honestly feel that there is no reason to be against two people in love and who want to marry each other. No reason whatsoever. Find me one that doesn't shout out RELIGION, because religion is the only thing that's keeping gay people from obtaining somewhat of an equality to heterosexuals in the world.
So if a high school student and teacher love each other but one is 15 and the other is 44, there should be no reason to be against them marrying as well?
If two siblings love each other, they should marry as well?
Homosexuality has been taboo in almost every culture prior to recent years just as incest,etc regardless of the culture's religion or even in forced "Atheist" regimes such as China during the cultural revolution. What makes homosexuality a different taboo than incest or pedophilia other than the fact there have been more people protesting it?
And once again you point towards silly comparisons to prove your point.
In what means are they silly? Both increased aggression and homosexuality involve deviations in the normal structures of the brain. THe only difference is that the former involves the amygdala and the latter involves the hypothalamus. These deviations cause a tendency to do certain actions but it is avoidable. Have you noticed there's an "eruption" in the amount of homosexuals when it became more culturally accepted? In the past, people may have homosexual urges but are able to repress it due to stricter laws. Just like how laws against violence repress people from hurting anyone that has made them the least bit angry.
When a culture says it's okay to kill someone for hurting you or you're family, more violence occurs. Ex. the concept of werguild in ancient European societies where it was deemed okay for one to kill someone else that has hurt you.
Likewise, when a culture becomes more acceptant of homosexual behavior, more people will come out of the closet.
Sayoko, I only want to get married to someone I love, what is this domestic violence business you're bringing up? Sure, maybe our brains are designed differently, but doesn't God create us all? Why would He make us gay and then shun off for living a "gay lifestyle"?
The first point, domestic violence and homosexuality have nothing to do with each other. I was merely giving an example about differences in brain structure as I explained above. Amygdala differences lead to more aggression such as domestic violence. Hypothalamus differences lead to increased tendency towards homosexual behavior. That's all there is to it.
Religious references won't really make a point. Might as well ask why did God create the devil and shun us off for listening to the devil? Why did God let bad things happen to us when he loves us so much?
It's life blaming a squirrel for collecting nuts and living the "squirrel lifestyle." But don't most animals live like the squirrel? Finding food to eat, a safe place to sleep at night away from predators and people? Pigeons and squirrels, they live the exact same lifestyle, they just do it differently. One flies, one hops in a funny way. They might eat different things too, but it's the same exact lifestyle. Isn't it?
Squirrels are meant to live the squirrel life style, not the homosexual squirrel life style. O.o
I don't care if there are brain differences in gay or straight people. It doesn't justify inequality. Are you gonna prevent someone with Down syndrome from getting married just because his brain isn't as able as yours?
Inequality exists because people are different. It raises eyebrows when people with Down Syndrome have children because of the likelihood of their offspring to have Down's as well.
Should women have to sign up for selective service and be drafted in case of another major war? I sure hope not.
The term "Inequality" has only been used when one group is missing something that another group has. Never have I heard women complaining that only men have to sign up for the selective service. If everyone is equal, not only would it be impractical, but the world would be a pretty boring place. Everyone is EXACTLY the same as you, doing the exact same thing.
There is a reason for inequality some times. Also, marriage costs the government quite a bit of tax dollars with exemptions with everyone else having to pay additional for it. When one spouse dies, the other can still collect social security. Why?
In your previous post, you said that the Civil Rights Movement was about race and unchangeable factors. Well, being gay is an unchangeable factor. Why shouldn't we fight for our same rights?
And I don't think those people should have been arrested since they were protesting peacefully, but Soyoko, you must have some decency to show up to a party and start berating the crap out of the party host. Just like those idiots who show up at military funerals with signs that say, Thank God for Dead Soldiers. You honestly would like them to protest peacefully in front of your dead brother's service?? Seriously?
Any definitive proof that gay is unchangeable? Race is 100% unchangeable even if you change the color of your skin, but homosexuality is in the gray area. While some people claim to be unchangable, other homosexuals have claimed to have changed. While some straights suddenly found homosexual tendencies halfway through their life. Orientation is changable one way or another.
Gay people have been persecuted for so many centuries and you are protecting the rights of people who do not want to grant them equality? GG.
I found a rather nice passage. Not everyone wants to be indoctrinated with gay propaganda.
" Caving into the homosexual agenda will lead to the radical marginalization of those who oppose homosexual practice and, ultimately, the criminalization of opposition to homosexual behavior. Homosexual activism represents the greatest threat to civil and religious liberties for our children. At stake are such things as: mandatory indoctrination of our children in all school systems, public and accredited private, from kindergarten on, through convocations, skits, videos, workshops, and teacher instruction; loss of one’s job if one does not sign a statement saying that one “values sexual orientation differencesâ€; mandatory workplace attendance of “Gay Pride†events and “Coming Out†celebrations; fines and even imprisonment for speaking out against homosexual practice, even in church services; having one’s children taken out of one’s own home for teaching “homophobic†ideas or, if one’s child professes a homoerotic proclivity, for “child abuseâ€; loss of accreditation of all Christian colleges and even seminaries that cannot prove “non-discrimination†in the hiring practices towards “gays and lesbians†or that permit any faculty to speak or publish in a manner critical of homosexual behavior per se; and refusal of colleges and universities to admit any students who do not sign statements affirming the value of homoerotic relationships. "
Meanwhile, why don't we fight for pedophile rights and incest rights too? They've been oppressed long enough too according to current law.
Now find me an answer. Your opinion just doesn't do it for me.
It's okay if you don't agree. Again, everyone is entitled to their own beliefs. I don't believe that homosexuality is the right thing and you think it's okay. Alright, that's fine with me.
Also, please explain to me what you think being gay is. Because you make it sound like such a horrible thing.
What is this "gay lifestyle" you speak of? This thing that we shouldn't let our brains force us to do or whatever.
Because it's sooooooo bad to be gay apparently when I'm just the same as you. I breathe, I eat, I bleed, I crap. I fall in love, I get my heart broken. I cry, I suffer. I dream, I'm hopeful.
We're two human beings. A Venn diagram, where everything is the same except for who we're attracted to.
What makes that so wrong?
Just being attracted to something doesn't make it right to marry it.
I'm not raping people or forcing others to have sex with me.
Why can't love be universal? For you and for me?
Caring about a person should be universal. Love in a sexual manner shouldn't be.
Why is it that only you can take it to the next level and only you can get married, but I can't?
What is marriage? No one is against two people of the same gender to live and stay together.
Before the gay rights movement explosion and the legalization of gay marriage in Massachusetts, the definition was:
the social institution under which a man and woman establish their decision to live as husband and wife by legal commitments, religious ceremonies, etc.
However, gay rights movements intended to change the definitions to their favor so they can get similar government subsidies and tax deductions as a real marriage.
What makes you so special, when we're both human beings?
Special in what way? It's rather vague how you worded it. Every human being deserves respect but not every action that a human being does is necessarily right