Which character needs the most funding?

• MareneCorp wrote on 2012-02-21 21:26
  What character do you think requires the most funding/gold to be successful/useful? And why?
  
  For me, I haven't really looked at Fiona yet but I'd say she required the most, I'm having a pain in the ass time just farming for a Bhammer hammer, I gave up on saving up gold to buy one awhile back.
  :shoe:
• Eyrion wrote on 2012-02-21 23:10
  It seems equipment for a Lann is always more pricy, in East the prices of Dreamwalker twin swords are around 20m if I'm correct, and Dreamwalker longsword is only 3m or so. But a Fiona does require a shield, that should add onto your expenses. If your Karok uses the new Cestus, he will surely need the gold, as the cestus' are pricy. I think Evie would need the least, because so many play as Evie and craft her armor/weapons, so there's just so much of'em, so they'll probably be the cheapest.
  
  So if you actually play your Karok, that's who I recommend, and I think your Lann has enough gear as it is. :(
• Oizen wrote on 2012-02-22 00:06
  Lann.
  
  He needs the best of best of everything just to be able to hit the dumb "13k+" parties. Evie can jut wing it, Fiona and Karok are pretty iffy.
• RebeccaBlack wrote on 2012-02-22 00:19
  Lann as an endgame character. Need good attack, critical, balance, and most importantly, defense.
  
  Other characters don't really need defense, but they also have less DPS potential whether they go for it or not. After a while, you'll get to a point where you either don't die much or just don't die period, so this is all that really matters. Maybe that'll change in the future. Maybe not.
• foreignreign wrote on 2012-02-22 08:10
  Poll is misleading since it umbrellas each characters' different weapons into just one character, when both styles don't take the same effort/money.
  
  Specifically, Lann and Evie.
  
  I voted for Evie. Reason being, at no point in end-game raids will a scythe Evie ever be better than a staff Evie, barring better gear for the scythe Evie over staff (hence, more money).
  
  Same can't be said for Lann, other than when you're stacking 9k DEF on one. Yeah Spear Lann kinda sucks on some bosses, but you still dish out the damage, and if your party isn't so self-entitled to top dips, then they can revive you and as long as you're not super bad or super unlucky that fight, you're on your merry way to doing decent, possibly better than the sword Lann at same gear levels.
• RebeccaBlack wrote on 2012-02-22 09:10

  Quote from foreignreign;782254:

  Poll is misleading since it umbrellas each characters' different weapons into just one character, when both styles don't take the same effort/money.
  
  Specifically, Lann and Evie.
  
  I voted for Evie. Reason being, at no point in end-game raids will a scythe Evie ever be better than a staff Evie, barring better gear for the scythe Evie over staff (hence, more money).
  
  Same can't be said for Lann, other than when you're stacking 9k DEF on one. Yeah Spear Lann kinda sucks on some bosses, but you still dish out the damage, and if your party isn't so self-entitled to top dips, then they can revive you and as long as you're not super bad or super unlucky that fight, you're on your merry way to doing decent, possibly better than the sword Lann at same gear levels.

  
  I think the main problem with Lann is that while it's technically true that lower defense Lanns still do plenty of damage and can keep up/overpower the other classes, people view deaths as a huge deal and someone who dies three times and gets 35% is often considered worse than someone who doesn't die and gets 17%, even if they actually helped the party a hell of a lot more. So, it all depends what you value.
  
  If we were speaking purely logically, Lann would be a great character no matter what. Unfortunately, people don't think this way. So for the sake of not getting yelled at and having your DPS considered more "legit", Lann takes more funding. Besides, the main purpose is to do the most DPS anyway, and defense helps that out dramatically~
  
  It also depends on what you're looking for. It seems most people just want 13K to get into a party. That would mean scythes will be some of the cheapest due to having inherently more magic attack.
  
  In any case, we need to draw a line at some point and decide at which point classes are considered "equal". No class will match a spear Lann with +15 spears, +15 armor, fully enchanted. No amount of money will ever push any class to that level. So is the cutoff point when the weakest class gets perfect +15's and all the others are expected to match that? If so, whichever class requires those +15's is the most expensive. Do you see the problem with this all? <.<
• foreignreign wrote on 2012-02-22 10:54
  Spears have Fury Infusion.
  
  You can fool people about your ATT by just keeping Fury Infusion on. They see "13k" post-Fury Infusion and they won't care. And I'm pretty sure the character screen actually does add the 900 after FI.
  
  So you can get 7k ATT base with Braid Tassel Spears if we count FI, which is more than the MATT of any worthwhile scythe.
  
  
  That being said, Scythe actually does need a lot of gear to be successful nowadays. Fighting Colru with a dinky scythe is laughable, and even a +15 scythe can't out-DPS a +10 hammer Fiona in Colru. And it's not gonna get any better really with episode 10, thanks to a certain super end-game boss. Scythe might be able to dodge him easily but getting hits in is gonna be lulz for her.
• RebeccaBlack wrote on 2012-02-22 12:09

  Quote from foreignreign;782638:

  Spears have Fury Infusion.
  
  You can fool people about your ATT by just keeping Fury Infusion on. They see "13k" post-Fury Infusion and they won't care. And I'm pretty sure the character screen actually does add the 900 after FI.
  
  So you can get 7k ATT base with Braid Tassel Spears if we count FI, which is more than the MATT of any worthwhile scythe.
  
  
  That being said, Scythe actually does need a lot of gear to be successful nowadays. Fighting Colru with a dinky scythe is laughable, and even a +15 scythe can't out-DPS a +10 hammer Fiona in Colru. And it's not gonna get any better really with episode 10, thanks to a certain super end-game boss. Scythe might be able to dodge him easily but getting hits in is gonna be lulz for her.

  
  That's a gimmick to trick people. Besides, what if they don't have time to FI before someone checks their stats? You know that's not what I was really talking about.
  
  There's also the problem with how we're scaling things. If we scale it so that the classes must do an equal amount of DPS, the weakest class will always be the most expensive. It would be a lot more fair to scale it on equivalent endgame sets. What could a person reasonably obtain at endgame? Things like a +10 weapon and +8 armor plus standard accessories with everything fully enchanted seems reasonable to me. Some people will push for better weapons, some will push for better armor, some will get 5 star variations of everything... but none of that is really "reasonable" and starts to consume significantly more time and/or money.
  
  Under those conditions, Evie would be limited in what she could buy. Defense sets are not viable, so she spends less money to become "endgame". However, Lanns are able to buy more and thus get more before considered "endgame". They have more potential.
  
  What I'm basically getting at is that Evie only becomes the most expensive after Lann is done defense stacking and already has stacked attack, where she needs a lot more magic attack to keep up. The problem comes from the fact that if the Lann does the same thing, he still ends up better and also ends up being more expensive because of all that armor he has to work on. Scythe Evie will probably need more magic attack even before the defense stacking, but that doesn't change the point at all. It only works if you force equality and equality cannot be forced forever. After it can no longer be forced, Lann is the most expensive again.
• JinNJuice wrote on 2012-02-22 13:42
  While we're mainly looking at the stats of each character, we should actually be considering how people price the gears in the marketplace. For a very long time, I've seen gears for Fiona to be the most expensive before Cestus was released. Remember that the majority of public parties are run by Maplers, trying to kill everything by spamming and spamming. So, what is the best and easiest way to spam? Why, with a character that already has a solid amount of att and def, and can strike multiple times. Which class usually wins that? Hammer Fiona. Their hammers alone already give one of the most att, and their shields stack their def. However, in the rich people's eyes, they saw that became obsolete with Karok's cestus. Now Karoks can Absorb Shock and Weaving, which now prevents being damaged, and their faster attacks can give a rather higher dps, if used properly.
  
  Now, most of this was said without considering that they die. It's the same mindset as most public parties, so this is how they view the game. It's the reason why most public parties fail in raids.
• Oizen wrote on 2012-02-22 23:46

  Quote from foreignreign;782638:

  Spears have Fury Infusion.
  
  You can fool people about your ATT by just keeping Fury Infusion on. They see "13k" post-Fury Infusion and they won't care. And I'm pretty sure the character screen actually does add the 900 after FI..

  
  I dont think anyone is dumb enough to fall for that, and what about swords? :|
• RebeccaBlack wrote on 2012-02-23 00:36

  Quote from JinNJuice;782886:

  While we're mainly looking at the stats of each character, we should actually be considering how people price the gears in the marketplace. For a very long time, I've seen gears for Fiona to be the most expensive before Cestus was released. Remember that the majority of public parties are run by Maplers, trying to kill everything by spamming and spamming. So, what is the best and easiest way to spam? Why, with a character that already has a solid amount of att and def, and can strike multiple times. Which class usually wins that? Hammer Fiona. Their hammers alone already give one of the most att, and their shields stack their def. However, in the rich people's eyes, they saw that became obsolete with Karok's cestus. Now Karoks can Absorb Shock and Weaving, which now prevents being damaged, and their faster attacks can give a rather higher dps, if used properly.
  
  Now, most of this was said without considering that they die. It's the same mindset as most public parties, so this is how they view the game. It's the reason why most public parties fail in raids.

  
  I've heard blasters have shitty DPS. Equal to pillars at the very best.
  
  Hammers have pretty amazing DPS, so they certainly aren't obsoleted by Karoks. Whether or not they have a better defensive function is debatable and depends on who you ask. HS is easier to use to block a string of hits (like Colru's gray form) than absorb shock is, I'd imagine.
• JinNJuice wrote on 2012-02-23 02:42
  Oh, the main people that set the prices for the gears in the marketplace will realize that Cestus isn't the best for DPS just because of Absorb Shock and Weaving. Although they try to justify it, their main reason for overpricing it is that... it's a new weapon... That's all there is to it.
  
  These are just our opinions anyways, but it's nice to see people actually putting out their thought out opinions, instead of being all like,"You just sound stupid, so you must be wrong."
• RebeccaBlack wrote on 2012-02-23 02:52
  I dunno, I always just sold things for as much as I could get someone to buy them for and bought as low as I could get someone to sell them for. Even if the weapon was terrible, people will still be paying too much for it for a while.
• JinNJuice wrote on 2012-02-23 03:09
  Haha, I know what you mean. That's practically what's happening with Cestus. The Maple botters who make the weapons will try to set the price very high. Some people will buy it, if they're that rich and lazy, but even more will not buy it. It's somewhat the same with rare materials. Prices always drop whenever they notice that they're not selling.
  
  You can't really blame them, I guess. From what I heard, most people in Maplestory bot their money or use hacks. I guess that's how their economy works. Too bad, for them, that the Vindictus marketplace doesn't run that kind of economy. If only they had knowledge of the real world marketing.
• RebeccaBlack wrote on 2012-02-23 03:17
  The Vindictus economy does kinda run on botting. Glas Pants should never have gotten to 30m. I mean, if we were playing normally, how many people would actually have acquired 30 million gold just by doing random battles? It would take them far longer than it ever would to get Glas Pants, even if they're very, very rare.