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Soushi wrote on 2012-05-08 15:16
Quote from frozenwilderness;858577:
oh they nerfed it
ewww
Yup a while back.
I remember my 2200 range ELB with lv2 effective range outranging my ego... now it doesn't.
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Spaghedeity wrote on 2012-05-09 10:32
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So, do you think that reforge adds damage to support shot (i.e. mostly useless) or increases it's damage boost to melee attacks? (i.e. pretty damn useful)
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Soushi wrote on 2012-05-09 15:09
Probably to melee attacks, why would it add to the arrow? Bohemian support effect also affects the melee attack, so it's not like they would go backwards with the reforge boost.
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Aubog007 wrote on 2012-05-09 15:33
Quote from Soushi;859255:
Probably to melee attacks, why would it add to the arrow? Bohemian support effect also affects the melee attack, so it's not like they would go backwards with the reforge boost.
It's nexon, why else.
As you can see they have a damage balance reforge.
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Ylpmis wrote on 2012-05-09 16:36
Just a suggestion for editing and for future reference:
Elemental reforges are listed as having a maximum level of 3 for 1-handed weapons, which is true for swords. However, the maximum level for blunts seems to be 6 just like 2-handed weapons, seeing as a level 2 elemental is still rank 3. So, to remedy any confusion, that could be updated. I haven't tested on any axe-type weapons, so I can't speak for that category.
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Soushi wrote on 2012-05-09 16:54
Quote from Ylpmis;859278:
Just a suggestion for editing and for future reference:
Elemental reforges are listed as having a maximum level of 3 for 1-handed weapons, which is true for swords. However, the maximum level for blunts seems to be 6 just like 2-handed weapons, seeing as a level 2 elemental is still rank 3. So, to remedy any confusion, that could be updated. I haven't tested on any axe-type weapons, so I can't speak for that category.
Uh that's not how the rank limiting works. It'll still have Rank 3... it'll just be limited from going past that level for that particular reforge. That means even if you get rank 1 reforge, you still won't be able to roll past Lv 10 Smash but on the other hand, you can obtain Lv 10 Smash with a rank 2 reforge as well.
Obviously, the rarity/difficulty of reforges on dual-wield weapons seems to have been adjusted so it is comparable to 2h weapons (because otherwise it'd be way easier to get two lv 10 1h than a single lv 20 2h).
I can confirm this as I have had in my possession 2/3 of the only elemental Lv 2 swords I've seen in my server and all of then have been Rank 3 as well.
Anything that is dual-wieldable gets the reforge limit (be it 20 or 6) halved. It doesn't really change what rank the level is in... so Lv2 elemental will always be obtainable at Rank 3. You will not be able to obtain anything past Lv 3 even with rank 1, however.
Axes are completely different, they get Lv 6 elemental or Lv 20 reforges just fine. Their level limits are not halved, as they are not a dual-wield weapon.
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Ylpmis wrote on 2012-05-09 17:11
Quote from Soushi;859290:
Uh that's not how the rank limiting works. It'll still have Rank 3... it'll just be limited from going past that level for that particular reforge. That means even if you get rank 1 reforge, you still won't be able to roll past Lv 10 Smash but on the other hand, you can obtain Lv 10 Smash with a rank 2 reforge as well.
Obviously, the rarity/difficulty of reforges on dual-wield weapons seems to have been adjusted so it is comparable to 2h weapons (because otherwise it'd be way easier to get two lv 10 1h than a single lv 20 2h).
I can confirm this as I have had in my possession 2/3 of the only elemental Lv 2 swords I've seen in my server and all of then have been Rank 3 as well.
Sorry, I'm not sure I understand you correctly. I'm basing what I said off this chart:
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As I understand it, a reforge with a 3 max level cap (elementals on a 1-hander, for example) would need a rank 2 reforge to be able to roll a level 2. However that contradicts what you just said. Would you mind clarifying?
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Soushi wrote on 2012-05-09 17:15
Probably just mistake in the chart or just assumptions made for the sake of organization. Things like that are not documented in KR sites as well as what the actual reforge bonuses give.
Either way, getting Lv2 elemental on rank 3 is perfectly normal for 1h weapons. You just won't be able to get any level higher than the limit for 2h halved... even if you are rank 1.
The 1h rule limits levels to half, but does not actually change the rank that each level exists in naturally. Again, difficulty/rarity is adjusted so that it might really take r1 to get that Lv 10 smash or Lv 3 elemental... but it will still be an obtainable effect of rank 3 or rank 2 as it would on any other weapon.
On another note, difficulty/rarity of reforges per weapon type is just incomprehensible for the most part. For example, I don't get why 1h swords get lv 3 reforges every other time with NPC toolkit, while just about anything else can be reforged a million times before anything higher than Lv 2 pops up. Or why everything else can easily get Lv 2 elemental with NPC toolkits, but for swords it might take a million tries.
Either way, the person who made that chart is blackrobed and currently doesn't play mabi so I suppose he won't be updating that chart any time soon... however, he should already know this since I gave him a Lv2 elemental sword myself o3o
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Ylpmis wrote on 2012-05-09 17:45
Quote from Soushi;859302:
Probably just mistake in the chart or just assumptions made for the sake of organization. Things like that are not documented in KR sites as well as what the actual reforge bonuses give.
Either way, getting Lv2 elemental on rank 3 is perfectly normal for 1h weapons. You just won't be able to get any level higher than the limit for 2h halved... even if you are rank 1.
The 1h rule limits levels to half, but does not actually change the rank that each level exists in naturally. Again, difficulty/rarity is adjusted so that it might really take r1 to get that Lv 10 smash or Lv 3 elemental... but it will still be an obtainable effect of rank 3 or rank 2 as it would on any other weapon.
On another note, difficulty/rarity of reforges per weapon type is just incomprehensible for the most part. For example, I don't get why 1h swords get lv 3 reforges every other time with NPC toolkit, while just about anything else can be reforged a million times before anything higher than Lv 2 pops up. Or why everything else can easily get Lv 2 elemental with NPC toolkits, but for swords it might take a million tries.
Either way, the person who made that chart is blackrobed and currently doesn't play mabi so I suppose he won't be updating that chart any time soon... however, he should already know this since I gave him a Lv2 elemental sword myself o3o
That makes sense now. That one chart threw me off, but dual-wielding lvl 6 elemental blunts seemed a dream too good to be true in the first place :)
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December wrote on 2012-05-27 06:45
I've been reforging Magic School Shoes recently, havent really gotten anything useful, are there any recommendations for what I should be aiming for?
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Spaghedeity wrote on 2012-06-04 20:11
Here's a question. Does anyone know how the taming success bonus from reforges stacks up with the canes natural bonus? For example, would an ancient cane (Base bonus of 2) with a level 2 reforge (3%) beat a tikka cane (base bonus of 3) with a level 1 reforge?(1.5%). If the reforges levels are equal to the cane bonus then they'd be even, but if the reforge levels beat the canes natural bonus, then the ancient would win. So, anyone have any idea?
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Zyrus wrote on 2012-07-07 02:09
With ego reforges fixed (maybe) this should get more important :D
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Nobelium wrote on 2012-07-09 10:27
Maybe..i am a bit confused by the reforge effects though. I haven't ever seen some of the bonus damage + reforges like smash, windmill or ice spear dmg etc go past 3..is it capped there for us, or actually is the limit 5 with the kits just trolling and hardly giving those?
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Zyrus wrote on 2012-07-09 11:27
Quote from Nobelium;904257:
Maybe..i am a bit confused by the reforge effects though. I haven't ever seen some of the bonus damage + reforges like smash, windmill or ice spear dmg etc go past 3..is it capped there for us, or actually is the limit 5 with the kits just trolling and hardly giving those?
The kits troll. To get a Rank 2 reforge is somewhere around 1/2500 reforges+ and certain items (like 1 handers) have an even lower rate of getting that.
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Nobelium wrote on 2012-07-09 11:49
Quote from Zyrus;904279:
The kits troll. To get a Rank 2 reforge is somewhere around 1/2500 reforges+ and certain items (like 1 handers) have an even lower rate of getting that.
I mean r3 level 5. Because smash shows as a capped 20 reforge in the table, so the maximum ought to be 5, not 3...have yet to see any smash 4 or so though. Same with pally duration, I had dura 2 once, but I think it's capped there, not at 5 either.