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Juno wrote on 2013-10-27 01:50
In the current iteration, oracles doesn't exist.
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Marimaster wrote on 2013-10-27 02:06
Why would it not exist <_<.
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Hatsunechan wrote on 2013-10-27 02:46
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LOL this game omg. Jinx was like 12/2 at 15 mins and we came back because i got so fed
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Chinaboy475 wrote on 2013-10-29 02:09
I was in a dark hole recently (Silver 5) and I was sad because I started out in Silver II but I dropped fast. It turns out that Lee Sin can't carry Silver. Anyways, I started playing Jarvan and my main, Riven, in ranked and I'm climbing rather steadily. Im currently in Silver IV. I went from twenty points in Silver V to 63 points in Silver IV in around 12 games. It might not sound very impressive, but I'm pretty rather pleased with myself :D
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Applejack wrote on 2013-10-29 04:26
Quote from Chinaboy475;1163948:
I was in a dark hole recently (Silver 5) and I was sad because I started out in Silver II but I dropped fast. It turns out that Lee Sin can't carry Silver. Anyways, I started playing Jarvan and my main, Riven, in ranked and I'm climbing rather steadily. Im currently in Silver IV. I went from twenty points in Silver V to 63 points in Silver IV in around 12 games. It might not sound very impressive, but I'm pretty rather pleased with myself :D
Hate to say it but about any champion can carry in any league, you're probably just a bad Lee Sin player. I really wouldn't doubt it since his skill ceiling is so high anyways. Keep climbing! Whatever you're doing with J4 and Riven is right and you might as well repeat what you're doing.
For me I was Plat 5 0 LP ( cause who plays league anyways ) because I decided to troll you know who cares about diamond too hard to get and I quit league kind of 1-2 months didn't play very much if at all. Went from Plat 5 0 LP to Plat 4 100LP in 2 days. I don't know if its me or not but being " stuck " is complete bullshit you're just doing something wrong consistently.
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Hatsunechan wrote on 2013-10-29 04:40
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Hate to say it but about any champion can carry in any league, you're probably just a bad Lee Sin player. I really wouldn't doubt it since his skill ceiling is so high anyways. Keep climbing! Whatever you're doing with J4 and Riven is right and you might as well repeat what you're doing.
For me I was Plat 5 0 LP ( cause who plays league anyways ) because I decided to troll you know who cares about diamond too hard to get and I quit league kind of 1-2 months didn't play very much if at all. Went from Plat 5 0 LP to Plat 4 100LP in 2 days. I don't know if its me or not but being " stuck " is complete bullshit you're just doing something wrong consistently.
being "stuck" isnt complete bullshit because I can give you so many screenshots where I do the best on my team (usually by far) and still lose because they fed so hard. This game is so 50-50 about wins because you depend on your team usually.
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Kazuni wrote on 2013-10-29 05:26
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being "stuck" isnt complete bullshit because I can give you so many screenshots where I do the best on my team (usually by far) and still lose because they fed so hard. This game is so 50-50 about wins because you depend on your team usually.
uhh not really
the notion of elo hell or being held back by your teammates is pretty bullshit
like there are bad games but your team will not hold you back enough to keep you from advancing
screenshots don't mean shit
score doesn't mean shit usually
I can have amazing scores on Ahri or Lux but I know I still wouldn't be doing enough because even if I get a pick or play safe in team fights I'm not doing enough. There's always more you can do outside of KDA, and there're always ways you're fucking up outside of deaths.
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Shanghai wrote on 2013-10-29 06:02
There's so many things happening in a game that screenshots don't really do justice. Then again, so many games take place with the same currently strong champions at the time that most things that happen in a game are relatively the same. Nobody wants to change it up during ranked games because well, nobody wants to make those kinds of sacrifices.
Anyone see the rework on Skarner? I swear they're trying to make him even less popular than he already is.
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Snowie Stormflower wrote on 2013-10-29 08:18
Quote from Kazuni;1163998:
uhh not really
the notion of elo hell or being held back by your teammates is pretty bullshit
like there are bad games but your team will not hold you back enough to keep you from advancing
screenshots don't mean shit
score doesn't mean shit usually
I can have amazing scores on Ahri or Lux but I know I still wouldn't be doing enough because even if I get a pick or play safe in team fights I'm not doing enough. There's always more you can do outside of KDA, and there're always ways you're fucking up outside of deaths.
You'd be surprised at how much people up in those high ranks shouldn't even be there.
Even 'I' am a better Jungler/Support than certain Silvers and Golds sometimes.
(And that means some are REALLY bad.)
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Hatsunechan wrote on 2013-10-29 16:34
Quote from Kazuni;1163998:
uhh not really
the notion of elo hell or being held back by your teammates is pretty bullshit
like there are bad games but your team will not hold you back enough to keep you from advancing
screenshots don't mean shit
score doesn't mean shit usually
I can have amazing scores on Ahri or Lux but I know I still wouldn't be doing enough because even if I get a pick or play safe in team fights I'm not doing enough. There's always more you can do outside of KDA, and there're always ways you're fucking up outside of deaths.
I've played with 4 plat 1-5 players and a bunch of golds and they ALL agree that I'm way better than where I belong. They all dont say I'm in elo hell though, they just say I dont play ranked enough and that I'm horribly unlucky. It's pretty close to elo hell for me because I've failed 5 promos to gold 5 because of shitty teammates.
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This is example of a game where my team is AWFUL. The Jayce fed Jax 4/0 at like 15 mins while I was 4/0 bot lane. They grouped fairly early because they knew Jax was huge and won every teamfight from then on. Like I'm silver 1 and my entire team was gold 3+ and I did better than all of them. This pretty much happens every single game that's important to getting my gold. Go check their lolking's if you dont believe me, everyone on both teams is gold or plat except me and I can do BETTER than them. Fuck this game's ranked system..
I position fairly well in teamfights, I know how to orbwalk/stutterstep with adc's near perfectly, I dont lose lane (tie at the very worst), and I farm better/equal than gold/plat level players. There is just nothing you can do when the enemy is fed THAT much. AND IT KEEPS HAPPENING TO ME, IT'S ANNOYING.
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Micho wrote on 2013-10-29 16:44
To be honest climbing the ladder is really dependent on luck.
I'm a pretty shitty player but I've been getting lucky where the other team has ragers, leavers, disconnections, or players that just do worse than my team.
There's not much you can do when that happens, even when you get fed yourself it's hard to carry when the other team is fed. It's not impossible, comebacks are certainly possible, NA is the region that throws the most.
Just gotta have luck.
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Hatsunechan wrote on 2013-10-29 16:48
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To be honest climbing the ladder is really dependent on luck.
I'm a pretty shitty player but I've been getting lucky where the other team has ragers, leavers, disconnections, or players that just do worse than my team.
There's not much you can do when that happens, even when you get fed yourself it's hard to carry when the other team is fed. It's not impossible, comebacks are certainly possible, NA is the region that throws the most.
Just gotta have luck.
It's honestly this. Unless you're SO good that you can go 15/0 in every game it's COMPLETELY dependant on luck and how good your teammates end up. I just have the worst luck ever.
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Marimaster wrote on 2013-10-29 19:19
PENTAKILL!!! God I fucking love Draven!
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Kazuni wrote on 2013-10-29 22:18
there's a limit to how much of a role luck plays
For example, my friends trolled me this season in my placement matches (way after pre season and soft reset), and I got put into Bronze I from 1500 last season.
Now, that might've been an unfortunate incident, or I might've just done badly as a support for those 10 games, but climbing out wasn't luck at all.
If you were really good enough to play against plats and golds (that were at their true division), then you should have no issues at all carrying yourself out of silver. Especially as an adc with a score like that. If you can't, then you're doing something incredibly wrong.
I had a bad phase in gold I where I was clamped at gold I, but I went on a loss streak and my mmr dropped to around something more like gold III. It still said I was gold I with around 60LP, but I was playing with low to mid golds at that point.
So basically, division doesn't mean much, considering the person could be clamped in that division unable to drop, even if their mmr goes down.
Not to mention, there's also the human psychology behind someone whose mmr is way lower than it should be actually wanting to compliment the silver they're matched up with who's doing well, and wanting to believe that the silver is way better than silver level, because if they don't, they'd have to accept they're playing badly. Which people have trouble doing. So yeah.
It's not luck. It's partly luck, and for some people it's particularly bad, but honestly it's not nearly enough to be holding back all these people claiming that luck's the reason they can't be promoted.
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Applejack wrote on 2013-10-29 22:31
So I'm gonna put this out here, you're going to be butthurt. There is absolutely no two ways about it. Everyone who has posted in this thread is shit. Say whatever you want, you're bad and you're garbage at league and probably uninstalling would save a lot of people's sanity. Call it luck, skill, or you're getting matched up with afks or bads you're the worst player of them all. Some of you rage I wouldn't doubt it since you cry so much here, others are very calm minded but you all make bullshit excuses. Go ahead qq about how I'm not Wildturtle and I have no right to talk about solo queue. Also my ign is Shikarikatototo you might as well go open up lolking and shit talk me about who I can't play. After taking a two month break I came back and got 200LP in two days, 100% luck am I right? I'm completely bad and I got carried in about every single game obviously because this game is dependent on how well your teammates are and how lucky you are to get the good kiddies on your team. Also I forgot to say how hard I " carried " my team or how " well " I did. QQ take a break from league, you play when you're on tilt. You're already bad and you probably belong to whatever division you're in but you make it worse when you bad and whiny.