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Kapra wrote on 2015-05-02 00:44

Quote from Slayerj;1273322:
Mana Arrow: Passive skill (can be turned on and off and will have a blueish arrow icon to show that it is on)
This skill will make the 2nd arrow fired from normal attack take up a small amount of MP instead of an additional arrow.
The skill gives 15mp and 5 dex, and costs 112ap
At rank F the 2nd arrow will be as strong as a normal arrow. Uses 3mp
At rank 9 the 2nd arrow will be as strong as a homemade arrow. Uses 5mp
At rank 5 the 2nd arrow will be as strong as a Fine homemade arrow. Uses 9mp
With the master title it will be as strong as a finest homemade arrow. Uses 10mp

The master title gives the above effect and 15 dex and 30mp.

I actually really like your idea and want this added.

I also have an archery idea post, but I won't be satisfied posting about it before I make a mod to create a gif ingame of how it would work because it is hard to explain and not like any of your posts. Though it's more of a "I think I'd find Archery more fun if it were like this" post than something I'd actually change. Again, I'm not qualified to talk on Archery's behalf and that's because I think it's boring as eff, though that's a matter of opinion.
Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-05-02 00:58

Quote from Esileruf:
*Nothing about Magic Missile*

Quote from Slayerj:
*Nothing about Magic Missile*

... Come on guys, don't ignore one of the most useless skills in the game...
Kaeporo wrote on 2015-05-02 01:02

Quote from Darkboy132;1273333:
... Come on guys, don't ignore one of the most useless skills in the game...

It's not even close to being one of the most useless skills in the game.
Fracture wrote on 2015-05-02 01:11
Quote from Zeo;1273285:
I do agree with Esileruf's buffs for the elves though... Elves are suppose to be the best race for archery.

There's a difference between giving one an edge and making them hilariously overpowered by comparison.
Quote from Kapra;1273305:

There needs to be:
- Elven-only special changes to archery so that a dex-capped Human and a dex-capped Elf, assuming they wear the same gear, would not be equal, and there would be some advantage in Archery for an Elf compared to a Human.
Elves have: mounted archery, running archery, double shot, faster Magnum/Crash Shot, and Final Shot.

For comparison, the edge that humans have: [S]two-handed weapons[/S] not anymore, [S]heavy armour[/S] not anymore, lances, dual wield, Final Hit, Arrow Revolver.

Make Final Shot a more meaningful skill like they did with FH and be done with it. Elves don't need to be spoon-fed.
Kapra wrote on 2015-05-02 01:13

Quote from Darkboy132;1273333:
... Come on guys, don't ignore one of the most useless skills in the game...

You seem to treat a lot of skills as one of the most useless in the game. . . (Meteor Strike, Shockwave, Counter Punch, etc.) The only real change it needs is for Wand damage to match the damage of Archery/Shurikens, and also allow Staves.
Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-05-02 01:32
Quote from Kaeporo;1273334:
It's not even close to being one of the most useless skills in the game.

How not? 600% damage every 12 seconds is pretty fucking meaningless when Magnum does 500% per 0.5~ seconds. The elementals are meaningless too, because all it does is alter the attack radius slightly. If it's going to play roulette, then at least make their effects differ significantly.

Quote from Kapra;1273336:
You seem to treat a lot of skills as one of the most useless in the game. . . (Meteor Strike, Shockwave, Counter Punch, etc.)
- Meteor Strike: Drastically weaker sourspots that make it deal 50% less damage throughout the move, notoriously long cooldown. My Sakura Abyss does equivalent damage, but is six times faster.
- Shockwave: Drastically weaker sourspots, high MP cost, for very little damage output and just simply shoving off enemies. I don't agree with Kaeporo's vision on this.
- Counter Punch: Pathetically low damage and critical damage bonus combined with a risk factor, making it high-risk very low-reward; you're better off using Charging Strike or Focused Fist.
Kaeporo wrote on 2015-05-02 01:57
Quote from Darkboy132;1273337:
How not? 600% damage every 12 seconds is pretty fucking meaningless when Magnum does 500% per 0.5~ seconds. The elementals are meaningless too, because all it does is alter the attack radius slightly. If it's going to play roulette, then at least make their effects differ significantly.
- Meteor Strike: Drastically weaker sourspots that make it deal 50% less damage throughout the move, notoriously long cooldown. My Sakura Abyss does equivalent damage, but is six times faster.
- Shockwave: Drastically weaker sourspots, high MP cost, for very little damage output and just simply shoving off enemies. I don't agree with Kaeporo's vision on this.
- Counter Punch: Pathetically low damage and critical damage bonus combined with a risk factor, making it high-risk very low-reward; you're better off using Charging Strike or Focused Fist.
Shockwave is a great skill, Counter Punch is a good skill. Meteor Strike and Magic Missile are decent.

When you refer to something as one of the most useless skills in the game, it had better be along the same lines as Mana Crystalization, Respite, Wine Making, Taming Wild Animals, Ice Shield, Smokescreen, Gold Strike, Grapple Shot, Invigorating Encore, etc.
Esileruf wrote on 2015-05-02 02:25

Quote from Fracture;1273335:
There's a difference between giving one an edge and making them hilariously overpowered by comparison.

Elves have: mounted archery, running archery, double shot, faster Magnum/Crash Shot, and Final Shot.

For comparison, the edge that humans have: [S]two-handed weapons[/S] not anymore, [S]heavy armour[/S] not anymore, lances, dual wield, Final Hit, Arrow Revolver.

Make Final Shot a more meaningful skill like they did with FH and be done with it. Elves don't need to be spoon-fed.

Mounted archery is so niche it hurts. I don't even consider using it because you can't use final shot and you can't hybridize. The double shot of normal attack is for proffing. That's it. And the faster magnum is inherent, and crash shot is barely faster.
I think I mentioned this in the renovation thread, AR is in fact more useful and powerful than magnum due to the fact that magnum requires you to either be using it on adv hs or a locked down target. AR also has five chances to crit and you pelt the arrows out MUCH faster than an elf will hit out magnums. The edge elves have on humans is very small, even AR's mechanics are insane when it comes to control and keeping it. even if you get stunned, that aim meter is still flying for AR. You could draw a b-line from the effectiveness of firebolt vs smash to elven magnum vs human AR. Genesis did one single thing in that it killed AR spam, which had meant humans should almost never gotten hit. The forced cooldown required humans to use magnum and crash shot outside of the most required situations. I do agree that while my post has neat ideas, they need tinkering and additional info to make what should be: Humans having a robust, yet stable and strong ranged that can not only deal damage on its own, but support other skillsets and itself. Ninja is considered a supporting skillset but that doesn't mean it can't rock on its own. Humans need a lot more utility in their ranged, while elves should get a great deal more power. Elven ranged is supposed to be a powerhouse not unlike the difference between giant to human melee, except it comes out to be hardly different.

Quote from Darkboy132;1273333:
... Come on guys, don't ignore one of the most useless skills in the game...

Do you

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Think this

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A motherfucking

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Game?

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[S]It doesn't need changing its a fucking joke to begin with.[/S]
I have no goddamn idea how to even make it useful. It hasn't been even considered since crash shot was made.
Zeo wrote on 2015-05-02 02:34

Quote from Fracture;1273335:
Elves have: mounted archery, running archery, double shot, faster Magnum/Crash Shot, and Final Shot.

For comparison, the edge that humans have: [S]two-handed weapons[/S] not anymore, [S]heavy armour[/S] not anymore, lances, dual wield, Final Hit, Arrow Revolver.

Make Final Shot a more meaningful skill like they did with FH and be done with it. Elves don't need to be spoon-fed.

Mounted archery? Not useful.
Running archery? Not useful.
Double shot? Not useful.
Faster Magnum shot? Literally the only benefit elves have in archery.
Faster Crash shot? Where did you get the idea elves is better with this?
Final shot? Not exactly useful.

Humans already get spoiled with everything. They get their own race-exclusive skills that isn't actually useless (FH and AR) unlike Elves and Giants. They also get the access to both lances and bows which should be enough for the humans. So yes... I do still think elves should get more treatments for archery.

Edited:: oh durrr... Esileruf already beat me to it.
Slayerj wrote on 2015-05-02 02:48

Quote from Darkboy132;1273333:
... Come on guys, don't ignore one of the most useless skills in the game...

Oops... I honestly forgot about it. I..don't use trans (or demi god) on any of my character really... lol. Let's see...

Bows/Xbows (Not even counting shurikins): Applying an element will make that elemental strike the only-one you can get. (This only works on ranged weapons)
Wands/staff: The elemental strike is based on the element of the wand/the current charge of the staff if it can have any.

Without an element or charge, it will randomly pick one. No mini-game spinning wheel anymore.

Ice: Stills does what it does. Kills with it have 50% chance to splash onto another target similar to ice spear. Mobs frozen can be attacked with no damage reduction.

Fire: Hits everything on the way to the target, knocking them back/down. The explosion radius is increased slightly. Scotches the ground, applying burn dmg for 5 seconds.

Lightning: Hits everything on the way to the target in a larger radius (dealing less dmg than fire), but instead of pushing them back, it simply stuns them for 4 seconds. The main targets hit will be hit for 5 bolts of lightning soon after the initial hit.

rank 1 dmg: 700%

Burn dmg rank 1: 25-30 dmg (ignores defense/protection)

Lightning main hits: 75%, 100%, 125%, 150%, 250% (for the full 700%)
Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-05-02 08:54

Quote from Kaeporo;1273341:
Magic Missile decent.

Quote from Esileruf;1273345:
Do you

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Think this

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A motherfucking

[Image: http://puu.sh/hydgd/40f11f80a8.jpg]

Game?

[Image: http://puu.sh/hydns/041005ec6a.jpg]

[S]It doesn't need changing its a fucking joke to begin with.[/S]
I have no goddamn idea how to even make it useful. It hasn't been even considered since crash shot was made.

This pretty much sums up what I was going to say. There's absolutely no reason to use Magic Missile whatsoever; of all the falcon archers I've met this year, not one has used EMM.
Twin wrote on 2015-05-02 10:10

Quote from Esileruf;1273345:
Falcon

Couldn't you just split that spinning wheel into three different Elven transformation skills? (Magic Elven Lightning Arrow ect)and make up some status effects like ..Frost bite(having three different levels) ,Shocked. and the generic fire D.O.T lol Prolly could be reworked too be stronger as well.Would be a ok starting point to work up some ideas XD Don't quote meh though, I don't main Elves anymore to know that issue fully lol
Kaeporo wrote on 2015-05-02 10:25

Quote from Darkboy132;1273362:
This pretty much sums up what I was going to say. There's absolutely no reason to use Magic Missile whatsoever; of all the falcon archers I've met this year, not one has used EMM.

Correlation does not imply causation.
Kapra wrote on 2015-05-02 23:16

Splitting up Elven Magic Missile into three skills would be nice, there needs to be a LOT more Transformation skills if you ask me, at least double if not more. (Possibly one skill per skillset that every transformation has access too.) People run out of skills to use transformation training on too soon.
Slayerj wrote on 2015-05-02 23:45

Quote from Kapra;1273401:
Splitting up Elven Magic Missile into three skills would be nice, there needs to be a LOT more Transformation skills if you ask me, at least double if not more. (Possibly one skill per skillset that every transformation has access too.) People run out of skills to use transformation training on too soon.

Maybe... This might be something weird to suggest but..

Paladin: Put levels into improving some melee/defensive skills (while in trans), effecting their core mechanic somewhat and slightly buffing their %s + more passives.

Beast: Put levels into improving most offensive melee skills (and windguard) while in trans. (maybe a passive or two, but not as many)

Falcon: Put levels into improving range skills (maybe a passive or two)

Dark knight: One main passive for each 'roll' with 2 skills for each roll. (No putting points into regular skills)

How does that sound?

Oh, and of course, the option for Humans to go back and forth from pally to giant, once every 15 days.

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