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Quote from Kaeporo;1272905:
I'm fond of the changes made to Explosive Kunai. Everyone talked shit about that skill and this change won't really break anything. The time spent throwing down traps could easily be spent using Final Hit/Firebolt/Climactic Crash/other OP stuff.

Honestly I don't really think it was necessary, all the traps would activate before 25 seconds ended. Setting up more traps might create more lag, I think.

If anything they need to fix the glitches revolving around it, and mobs definitely need to stop hitting me over the trap.

Bella's hair is so pretty! I want a wig of it!!

Quote from Cookiebunny;1273164:
Bella's hair is so pretty! I want a wig of it!!

Hair Style*

I honestly want all wigs in-game to turnrrf into Hair styles.

Quote from Tropa;1273167:
Hair Style*

I honestly want all wigs in-game to turn into Hair styles.

Unless they give us the ability to pick any colors we want for a hairstyle, I'll continue to support the wigs.

Quote from Tropa;1273167:
Hair Style*

I honestly want all wigs in-game to turn into Hair styles.

Same here. Nexon would need to offer some kind of transfer from wigs to hats for people who reforged them though.

Quote from Zeo;1273169:
Unless they give us the ability to pick any colors we want for a hairstyle, I'll continue to support the wigs.

Preeetty much this,minus the supporting wigs part. Color selection options are kinda lacking in mabi.

Personally I want the dressing room to offer you the hairstyle for whatever while you have the wig stored in it.

Quote from Zeo;1273169:
Unless they give us the ability to pick any colors we want for a hairstyle, I'll continue to support the wigs.

I don't get why we don't have a color wheel for hair colors yet.

Well, Probably spurred by the release of 6.84, and the fact that my disappointment in the ranged renovation has reached C R I T I C A L levels. Its time to icefraud this.

[SIZE="5"]Update to Ranged Renovation:[/SIZE]

Skillchanges:

All are assumed to be r1 for simplicity at the moment
[SPOILER="Skill Changes"]
Arrow Revolver:

Sidenote: Does this still even exist? Goes to show you how long its been since I've actually used AR. Couldn't pelt arrows like mad with a LLB, but damn the 17 dura high max elven short bow kicked ass, 5 arrows in 3 seconds.

Crash Shot
Elven Bonuses Added:

Cooldown Reduced to 3 seconds

Ranged Attack Speed applies now

Fragment damage increased to 300%
Human Bonuses Added:

Mortal Injury is what the smash effect should be. It results in damage output being reduced by a %. This would be based upon crit and applied upon crit. A sword would apply a damage output reduction, causing the monster to deal less damage. This, instead of the defense trash, would be ideal. An axe would increase damage on a monster, and a blunt would inflict an AI reset. "I just bashed your skull in you dumb monster, why are you ignoring me!" Humans, whose ranged would be more utility, would have greater supportive in this manner, causing albeit a smaller effect, but the arrows would apply input damage magnification.

Final Shot:

Increased speed reduced from 250% to 200%.
This is because magnum/crash shot will be based off of elven ranged attack's speed, which will be placed at 175%. Causing 200% to place it at 350%. A 100% increase instead of what would have been a doubling.

not removed. :^)

Magnum Shot:
Elven Magnum Shot Reworked-

always

Dan 3 Additive Effect: 690% damage. D1:630%, D2: 660%
Human Magnum Shot-

Dan 3 Additive Effect: Magnum's aim meter may increase while walking.

Yes, Lances are included. Lance's mortal injury causes the monster to have their AI drop from being dazed. This is ignored entirely if a monster has instantaneous aggro, has been aggro locked, or pings/has advanced heavy stander.

Mirage Missile:
Reworked:
Mirage Missile now causes a monster to instead of ticking and being poisoned, shift its aggro, potentially to a nearby monster. This will persist for a certain duration, only broken by aggro bypasses, such as taunt, Shooting rush, life drain, etc. If there is nothing for it to shift its aggro on, it will fail and become enraged at the player, persisting aggro through drops and switches. R1 duration is 6 seconds.

Ranged Attack - Elf:

Spider Shot:
Removed. Replaced with Pin Shot (New Skills)

Urgent Shot:
Removed. Replaced with Retaliation (New Skills)[/SPOILER]

Mechanics Changes:

[SPOILER="Mechanics"]Crossbow Overhaul:

Accuracy is based off of being within a certain range of the monster. 500 is 98%, 1000 is 92%, 1500(max range for most) is 85%. Movement of target does not matter.

Assuming r1 mastery:

Arrow Revolver: 1 arrow/.5 seconds, Arrow cap increased at rank 9/5/1 to 6/7/8.
Crossbows must have .2s to aim the next shot and upon firing the first shot, cooldown begins and stops loading additional shots. Using arrow revolver alone will begin charging, similar to auto-charge.

Range Meter:

Elven Bonuses:

[/SPOILER]

New Skills:

[SPOILER="New Skills"]Pin Shot:

Retaliation:

[/SPOILER]

Quote from Esileruf;1273229:
Slows a monster down with a weaker, but more precise shot by targeting its legs.

Beware.

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Also there's a more efficient way of using lists. Just put one {List} (use [ instead of {) at the top, one {/List} at the bottom, and put

Quote from Esileruf;1273229:
Humans, whose ranged would be more utility

[SIZE="3"][HEAVY BREATHING][/SIZE]

In all seriousness though, way too many buffs for elves. Final Shot should be made useful, but the other skills should remain pretty much the same between the races. No skillset apart from actual support (shields, healing, etc) should ever be balanced for anyone to be a support skillset, because there are people who main it and play solo.

Quote from Fracture;1273238:
[SIZE="3"][HEAVY BREATHING][/SIZE]

In all seriousness though, way too many buffs for elves. Final Shot should be made useful, but the other skills should remain pretty much the same between the races. No skillset apart from actual support (shields, healing, etc) should ever be balanced for anyone to be a support skillset, because there are people who main it and play solo.

I do agree with Esileruf's buffs for the elves though... Elves are suppose to be the best race for archery.

Quote from Esileruf;1273229:

Final Shot:
Load time Reduction not removed. :^)

Of all things why would you keep that?

Mirage Missile:
Reworked:
Mirage Missile now causes a monster to instead of ticking and being poisoned, shift its aggro, potentially to a nearby monster. This will persist for a certain duration, only broken by aggro bypasses, such as taunt, Shooting rush, life drain, etc. If there is nothing for it to shift its aggro on, it will fail and become enraged at the player, persisting aggro through drops and switches. R1 duration is 6 seconds.

That actually makes much more sense, befitting "mirage". The only incident a monster would directly attack another is in G9 Glas and Crag Cows. How the hell did it come to poisoning?

Though that duration seems kind of short. Make it 10 or 15.

My take:
[spoiler=Archer Renovation]
Ranged Attack:

Elf Aim Speed 200% -> 300%.
Now affects Magnum Shot and Crash Shot, but only increases by 150% for Humans and 200% for Elves.
Elf Ranged Attack second shot now has a separate aim calculation than the first, meaning that it has a chance to hit if the first one misses, but has 25% less accuracy than the first shot. Both will still hit if the first shot lands.

Support Shot:

Damage increased 80% -> 100%.
Elves now fire a second shot, but has 50% less accuracy than the first shot. This deals 75% damage if the first shot misses, but 50% if both shots connect, making it do 150% if both shots land.
All non-melee attacks will no longer cancel out Support Shot.
Elves can now use this while mounted.

Magnum Shot:

Elves now fire a second shot, but has 75% less accuracy than the first shot. This deals 375% damage if the first shot misses, but 100% if both shots connect, making it do 600% if both shots land.
Elf splash damage increased 100% -> 200%.
Elves can now use this while mounted.

Mirage Missile:

Elves now fire a second shot, but has 50% less accuracy than the first shot. This deals 150% damage if the first shot misses, but 50% if both shots connect, making it do 250% if both shots land.
Reworked. Instead of poisoning the enemy, Mirage now forces the enemy to aggro and attack other enemies. Lasts 15 seconds and has a 75% chance at rank 1. Does not work on bosses and skill immune mobs.
Cooldown raised 1.5 -> 5.0 to offset the above.
Elves can now use this while mounted.

Crash Shot:

Elves now fire a second shot, but has 75% less accuracy than the first shot. This deals 75% of damage if the first shot misses, but 50% if both shots connect, making it do 150% if both shots land. Fragment damage remains the same.
Human cooldown decreased 5.5 -> 3.5.
Elf cooldown decreased 5.5 -> 3.0.
Elves can now use this while mounted.

Final Shot:

Load time reduced to 0.
Archery load time decrease changed to cooldown decrease, and upped from 15% -> 30%.
Cooldown decreased 280 -> 270 at Ranks 5-2 and 260 -> 240 at rank 1. Why the hell is it still longer than Final Hit?
No longer consumes weapon durability.
At rank F-6, the aiming meter will start loading at 15% for all archer skills. This increases to 30% at ranks 5-2, and to 50% at rank 1.
Elves can now use this while mounted.

Elven Magic Missile:

Load time reduced 2 sec -> 0 sec.
Damage increased 600% -> 800%.
Fire now deals 30% damage over time for 10 seconds.
Ice now cuts Movement Speed by 50% for 10 seconds.
Lightning now decreases enemy Defense by 35 and Protection by 15, both physical and magical, for 10 seconds.
Wand damage matches ranged weapon damage.
Cooldown 10 sec -> 5 sec.
Elves can now use this while mounted.

Spider Shot:

Trap no longer wears off after just one hit.
Trap duration is fixed at 7.5 seconds for all ranks.
Elves can now use this while mounted.

Throwing Attack/Atlatl/Javelin:

Throwing Attack reverted to pre-Renovation.
Atlatls are removed entirely.
Javelins are now equipped in tandem with a right-hand weapon, overriding the shield slot.
Throwing Attack damage no longer has weapon damage into its formula, including Bare Hands; the rest of Throwing Attack's formula (strength:damage ratio, Javelin damage, Reforges, etc.) is unchanged.
Javelins no longer restricts the use of Charge.
Throwing Attack max range lowered 1.8k/1.5k -> 1k.
Javelin inventory size 1x5 -> 1x3.

Urgent Shot:

Changed to a passive skill.
Has no damage or pushback bonus. Instead, a missed shot will cause the next shot to have increased aiming and a 3 second stun.

Bow Mastery:

Now increases max range by 100~150.

Crossbow Mastery:

25% aim speed bonus is now determined by Crossbow Mastery, and can be increased up to ~50%.

Other:

Animation lock after firing removed, allowing immediate movement once the shot connects.
Mobs no longer aggressive aggro and prompted to attack when aimed at.
Aiming meter no longer resets when switching targets.
Combat skill tab is split into two sub-tabs: Melee and Archery.
Arrows/Bolts/Javelins in the inventory are now automatically equipped when trying to use an archer skill without an equipped arrow/bolt/javelin.
All Archery (and by extension everything that uses distance) now targets the hitbox edge rather than their center.

[/spoiler]

Quote from Darkboy132;1273294:
Of all things why would you keep that?

"It's not a bug, it's a feature!"

Final Shot and Wind Guard having a load time is actually a GOOD thing because you can abuse load cancel when you get hit.

Edit: nvm misread as "load time reduced not removed" but now I get it. heh.

I'm not an Archery main so I'm not really qualified and feel free to disregard my opinion.

(Assuming my post linked to in my signature about racial consolidation doesn't work.) I do think some Elven-exclusive changes to existing archery skills would be nice, but I do think most people get too excessive when they come to that. What Elves need changed about archery is minor changes to archery itself that is exclusively to Elves and not Humans, but more importantly they need to gain more dex from existing skills. Like How Humans and Giants gain more Str from Combat Mastery than Elves do, Elves should get more dex from nonexclusive archery skills than Humans do. Look at how huge the Str gap between Humans and Elves are, if there is to be separate races, the Dex gap should be just as large. Currently Elves have only 13 more dex than Humans, and idr why but a later renovation update supposedly changed the dex gap to be even tinier, and in favor of Humans now instead of Elves.

There needs to be:

Elven-only special changes to archery so that a dex-capped Human and a dex-capped Elf, assuming they wear the same gear, would not be equal, and there would be some advantage in Archery for an Elf compared to a Human.
Easier to reach high dex for an elf, particularly at lower levels and easier-to-rank skills (rather than the grindy skills getting the new dex).

Just dex alone or just multipliers alone won't cut it.

Also I don't really like the idea of every single skill using double arrows. If anything, I'd change it so normal attack does not use double arrows, and some skills like Crash Shot use a second arrow if the first arrow misses (and if you have 2 arrows), and the second arrow acting merely as a second chance to hit. (So if the first arrow hits, second arrow isn't used at all and no additional damage, possibly lower damage for a second chance.)

I might as well throw my own ideas into the pot.

Range revamp. (now that I've had time to play with less aim lag from a fresh install)

Normal ranged attack DOES NOT TAKE PRIORITY anymore.
Animation locks cut heavily for normal ranged attack (A bit for other ranged skills that have these similar animation locks, but I didn't notice/do not know what other skills besides normal ranged attack that have these animation locks.)
Aiming at a target, then switching to a different target will no longer 100% reset your aim %. Instead, based on how far away from the original target, your aim % will drop some.
Aim speed for elves normal ranged attack increased to 250%
Normal ranged attack aim % to slightly effect the aim speed of the other range skills. This varies depending on the skill and your current rank of range attack will tell you these %s.
Bow and Xbow mastery now slightly increase your aim speed with each weapon. For bows the aim speed goes up by an aditional 10% at rank 1. For xbows this is 15%

Urgent shot changed

Urgent shot no longer requires a manual firing and will stun the target instead of pushing it back. This stun is, at rank 1, 3 seconds long.

Final Shot fixed
Final shot no longer needs to be loaded, still increases the aim % of all ranged skills to 50% (at any rank). The skill now increase the aim speed of all skills by up to 15% at rank 1. Final shot now completely removes all animation lock from the skills.

Spider Shot changed.

Spider shot no longer grants extra critical damage. Instead the base critical hit cap is increased for ranged skills (up to a max of an extra 25%)
Spider shot now holds the target in place for less time than before, but are held for more than one hit. This will be explained.

Rank F spider shot will hold a target for 3 seconds and will 'break' after a single 'knockback' skill, sending the target flying back, but will last for 2 skills that simply stun/pushback. (Elven range 2nd arrow does not count.)

Rank 1 Spider shot will hold a target for 8 seconds, last through 4 'knockback' skills, and last for 10 stun/pushback skills.

Other types of dmg, as melee or magic will still harm the trap.

You can now make better traps (NPCs will only ever sell the base trap) using more materials. Better traps will hold for .5-1.5 more seconds and handle a few more hits, but you need to be at a high enough rank to use them.

(Most just require a cobweb or two to be added to the trap, while others might require another spool of thin thread or tough thread.)

And last but not least, a new 'hidden' skill for elves.
Requires Apprentice ranger and Green Gunner OR Mage

Mana Arrow: Passive skill (can be turned on and off and will have a blueish arrow icon to show that it is on)
This skill will make the 2nd arrow fired from normal attack take up a small amount of MP instead of an additional arrow.
The skill gives 15mp and 5 dex, and costs 112ap
At rank F the 2nd arrow will be as strong as a normal arrow. Uses 3mp
At rank 9 the 2nd arrow will be as strong as a homemade arrow. Uses 5mp
At rank 5 the 2nd arrow will be as strong as a Fine homemade arrow. Uses 9mp
With the master title it will be as strong as a finest homemade arrow. Uses 10mp

The master title gives the above effect and 15 dex and 30mp.