New weapon, skills, items, and tweaks you'd like to see!~

• Tiwo wrote on 2015-12-06 22:46
  what about % based on rank and a flat number based on magic attack, or vice versa.
• Kapra wrote on 2015-12-08 03:27
  Healing talent is something I attempted to balance before, and was never satisfied with. I agree that it should be both a constant and a percent recovery. But I don't know how to balance that efficiently without making it overpowered, because there are other imbalanced things that would be effected if you balance that one thing.
  
  Mana Shield, I didn't really feel like it was imbalanced before Enlightenment, maybe that makes me horribly biased, I don't really know what could be done with it. Of course anyone can think of complicated ideas to make it different like making it act like Evie's Mana Shield in Vindictus, but that won't really accomplish making it more or less useful or balanced.
  
  THe other magic shields I just don't know. Could like "allow running with magic shields, or let you place them down like barrier spikes", but they will be useless so long as enemys' elemental damage is useless.
  
  Party Heal is in the same boat as Healing.
  
  It would be nice if First Aid also buffed you somehow, with better bandages having better effects, but nobody likes consumable buffs, otherwise everyone would be using food.
• Slayerj wrote on 2015-12-08 07:53
  It's less so that people hate consumable buffs as people hate MAKING consumable buffs. (In other cases/games, using them up in a turn they could do something else.)
  
  Few people make better bandages with handycraft or even bother to buy them from others. It's never felt like it's needed to them. Same reason people never cook all that much. Few people do, and even though they can shit out a +xxx to 2-4 stats for an entire group for a long time, others that see this will rarely strive to do it as well. It's just not something they HAVE to or feel like doing.
  
  Mana shield could be the mages version of a shield for staves, as well as being a buff to using shields, so everyone wins. Instead of using mana in place of HP when hit, it could flat increase your shields ability to block and passive, while giving staves a flat shield bonus (rank for x amount) for more mana than if you had a shield. The stave version not being as good as if you had a shield but still good enough to be nice to have.
  
  This fixes the problem with it being a second HP bar for people not even using mana and a semi hindrance to actual mages using it while using spells. At least I think so anyway.
• Kapra wrote on 2015-12-09 06:20

  Quote from Slayerj;1291312:

  It's less so that people hate consumable buffs as people hate MAKING consumable buffs. (In other cases/games, using them up in a turn they could do something else.)
  
  Few people make better bandages with handycraft or even bother to buy them from others. It's never felt like it's needed to them. Same reason people never cook all that much. Few people do, and even though they can shit out a +xxx to 2-4 stats for an entire group for a long time, others that see this will rarely strive to do it as well. It's just not something they HAVE to or feel like doing.

  
  I don't know about that, maybe you're right. But my problem is personally it being a buff. I wouldn't mind creating consumables if they gave me permanent .05 Int for this food, .01 str for that food. Permanent small boosts sound appealing to me, but temporary large ones sound like too much effort to me. I'd rather struggle to solo a hard or elite mission than make consumable buffs. (And I'm the kind of person who doesn't mind steamrolling and doesn't really care if there's no challenge.)
  
  
  As for the Mana Shield thing, sounds too unlike what it currently is. I don't think it's like handicraft where its current purpose is a complete lost cause and should be replaced or removed altogether, I'm sure there's some way of salvaging its current state, and maybe adding an actual shield as some other skill.
• Syliara wrote on 2015-12-10 01:53

  Quote from Kapra;1291308:

  Healing talent is something I attempted to balance before, and was never satisfied with. I agree that it should be both a constant and a percent recovery. But I don't know how to balance that efficiently without making it overpowered, because there are other imbalanced things that would be effected if you balance that one thing.
  
  Mana Shield, I didn't really feel like it was imbalanced before Enlightenment, maybe that makes me horribly biased, I don't really know what could be done with it. Of course anyone can think of complicated ideas to make it different like making it act like Evie's Mana Shield in Vindictus, but that won't really accomplish making it more or less useful or balanced.
  
  THe other magic shields I just don't know. Could like "allow running with magic shields, or let you place them down like barrier spikes", but they will be useless so long as enemys' elemental damage is useless.
  
  Party Heal is in the same boat as Healing.
  
  It would be nice if First Aid also buffed you somehow, with better bandages having better effects, but nobody likes consumable buffs, otherwise everyone would be using food.

  
  
  People dont like using first aid most of the time because theres a faster, easier, and better method of healing wounds.... Clouds. Why the fk would you waste your time loading and using that skill when u can press one button and instantly heal 30 wound, now imagine if you had multiple clouds.... Its free, fast, and easy which makes first aid and most of healing obsolete.
  
  Party healing is about the only useful heal in this game at this point because of its range in comparison to clouds, and how much it heals for. Party healing is still used some times, its just used for when people dont want to chase people around and spam clouds on them.
  
  As for healing talent, at this point you would have to remove wounds or make healing able to heal through wounds without needing the party healing master title. It would need a buff to the healing potency, and honestly it would probably need some kind of additional buff it adds to players they heal or something that increases dps or most people would ignore it late game. It's sad to say, but a talent's survival revolves around increasing dps through buffs or nerfs to the mobs your fighting.
• Slayerj wrote on 2015-12-10 21:54
  The problem with current mabi IS the fact that it's a DPS race. There's no real strategy to anything. Just kill it ASAP and move on to get the maximum reward to time ratio.
  
  Healing has been mapped to a nimbus, along with wound healing, and potions do both just as well when it's not around or you don't have one. Monsters have no real AI other than the bare basics 90% of the time and they're just giant chunks of HP that we slam ourselves into until they're dead.
  
  Buffing healing or first aid in anyway won't change anything even if you make them 100000% over powered because hitting a single key to do it's job instantly is much more time efficient and doesn't interrupt anything. One of the games largest pieces of content (Monsters) Needs to change, heavily.
  
  Even if we pushed ourselves back to the old load times for skills, we'd still have this issue. There's just not enough diversity in monsters and AI to match up with what we can dish out, unless we are nerfed a fair bit, and no one likes that idea typically. Even then it's only a mater of time before the same issue springs up if we don't fix other problems.
• Kapra wrote on 2015-12-11 08:44

  Quote from Syliara;1291389:

  People dont like using first aid most of the time because theres a faster, easier, and better method of healing wounds.... Clouds. Why the fk would you waste your time loading and using that skill when u can press one button and instantly heal 30 wound, now imagine if you had multiple clouds.... Its free, fast, and easy which makes first aid and most of healing obsolete.

  
  Which is exactly why I thought it should also be a buff skill. Though I wasn't thinking of things along the lines of DPS.
  
  

  Quote from Slayerj;1291400:

  The problem with current mabi IS the fact that it's a DPS race. There's no real strategy to anything. Just kill it ASAP and move on to get the maximum reward to time ratio.

  
  The issue there is not with the skills. It's with
  A: The community, some people get really competitive about damage. I'm weak and proud of it personally.
  B: The style of content in this game. Mabinogi is a game where getting more party members only benefits you by beating the dungeon faster, and you want to beat the dungeon as fast as possible so you can do more rounds within the same amount of time. Personally, I like that system because I think the only penalty for soloing should be it taking a longer time in addition to it being slightly more difficult to manage on your own.
  
  Mabinogi is about doing things with speed. There's no like "Kill a monster in the least messy way possible or it will penalize you or you won't get as good as a reward." There is no situation where stopping and taking your time in a room can be more rewarding than rushing through (except maybe chest pits and the leprechaun rooms, but that's not really the case anymore).
  
  
  
  Sure healing talent is flawed, other forms of stat regeneration is flawed, but more importantly the content isn't suited well enough for it to be any other way. (Also you shouldn't read this and then the first thing to jump to your mind be "add this new content that makes use of this" because then they'll just make that OP and neglect missions like they neglected dungeons.)
• Syliara wrote on 2015-12-11 09:25

  Quote from Kapra;1291424:

  Which is exactly why I thought it should also be a buff skill. Though I wasn't thinking of things along the lines of DPS.
  
  
  The issue there is not with the skills. It's with
  A: The community, some people get really competitive about damage. I'm weak and proud of it personally.
  B: The style of content in this game. Mabinogi is a game where getting more party members only benefits you by beating the dungeon faster, and you want to beat the dungeon as fast as possible so you can do more rounds within the same amount of time. Personally, I like that system because I think the only penalty for soloing should be it taking a longer time in addition to it being slightly more difficult to manage on your own.
  
  Mabinogi is about doing things with speed. There's no like "Kill a monster in the least messy way possible or it will penalize you or you won't get as good as a reward." There is no situation where stopping and taking your time in a room can be more rewarding than rushing through (except maybe chest pits and the leprechaun rooms, but that's not really the case anymore).
  
  
  
  Sure healing talent is flawed, other forms of stat regeneration is flawed, but more importantly the content isn't suited well enough for it to be any other way. (Also you shouldn't read this and then the first thing to jump to your mind be "add this new content that makes use of this" because then they'll just make that OP and neglect missions like they neglected dungeons.)

  
  
  It's not so much the community thats at fault as much as its the concept of the game itself. While the concept is a great concept, the huge power creep was inevitable as the game evolved. People were fine to ignore it in the early stages but it was obvious as the game progressed there was going to be an increasingly large gap in pve content challenge. Allowing the player base to basically amass stats and skills with almost no restrictions along with increasingly augmented gear and enchants set in motion a very large power creep for those players that min max, however the game could not compensate due to the unrestricted content allowing lower tier players to access most of the content higher tier players access which would basically make the lower tier players shy away from the game due to high difficulty. Most games put penalties forth for players that try to streamline their stats for damage only which makes it almost impossible to go for such a build, making things like "Glass Cannons" a frowned upon concept but this game very very barely punishes players that think only of maximum damage over all other stats. Not only this but the ability to amass every type of stat at any point made it possible to be proficient in EVERYTHING and not even have to think about a build due to the fact that stats would give you what you wanted eventually anyways. It turned from a game that had a very free feeling to it and challenging content that required party play and strategies to a "what's the best way to burn this boss the fastest without thinking about defense".
  
  In the end everything revolves around damage end game, and delving into other things is very frowned upon at this point because its thought of as a complete waste. The current state of the game is unchangeable at this point lest they basically destroy it with a very gutsy gamble, and the only way to fix a talent is to give it either a unique damage buff which adds a utility to it or just give it overwhelming power over other skillsets (see Warrior Talent).
  
  I've also stated this multiple times, but people really hate to admit that the reason this game is in the state its in is because of how free it is.
• Slayerj wrote on 2015-12-11 20:30
  Yes, because the game is so free form and doesn't restrict you, it's VERY hard to make it challenging. But at this point they have almost completely given up anything but power creep OP things to add. They don't even seem to remotely care about fixing, just sticking this band-aid on it that gives it +xxxxxx dmg. Besides Raids, which still came down to power rushing with very little strats after a while, the formula for anything new in this game is...
  
  Enchant? Regardless of rank, better buffs than x enchant.
  Gear? Slightly difficult to craft, 1-30 dmg better than the last stuff with some small bonus maybe/better armor set bonus typically for dmg or skill dmg.
  Skill? Either very weak and unusable or flawed or completely broken compared to most else. Better make sure they both give a nice small truck worth of stats for even more dmg regardless.
  Monster? Beef the HP up x% from the last thing that's similar to it, give it the same AI, buff it's prot and def.
  Pet? Needs an on summon effect that something in the game already does that takes a bit of time to use or a stun or a knockback or a debuff or a heal or just deals a lot of dmg.
  Dungeon/mission? Give more exp and gold than the last thing we put out for slightly more or less time.
  
  
  Simply toning down on the skills to stats ratio and letting talent levels continue to give out the same stats would help a lot when it comes to allowing them some more room to do things that aren't just buffing HP/Prot/Def on monsters.
  
  Hell, I'd be all for talents still letting me do every skill but either stop or slow down the stat growth for x stat while increasing y stat a little more if our overall stats are lowered.
  
  If they'd actually bother to fix enchant and rework what we have you wouldn't need to release 2-10 new enchants every update that do the same thing as an old enchant but 5%-10% better for maybe less/more work to get them.
  
  Could we still rush content? Yes. We can ALWAYS and will ALWAYS be able to do that in almost EVERY game. Once you know what you're doing/what to do, you can rush content. Regardless of what said content asks of you. There's no getting away from that.
  
  Could we still make it feel more like actual content instead of button mash those 1-6 skills + maybe normal attack to win everything? Somewhat at the very least.
• Twin wrote on 2015-12-12 23:58
  Friend PMs no longer exit out automatically if ccing
• Kapra wrote on 2015-12-13 03:41

  Quote from Twin;1291492:

  Friend PMs no longer exit out automatically if ccing

  
  To be honest that wouldn't be that hard to do, they're just lazy. There's a korean phone app that has all of that stuff in there, don't even need to be logged in to mabi to see it, just logged into the app.
• Aubog007 wrote on 2015-12-14 19:16

  Quote from Kapra;1291513:

  To be honest that wouldn't be that hard to do, they're just lazy. There's a korean phone app that has all of that stuff in there, don't even need to be logged in to mabi to see it, just logged into the app.

  
  
  Logging conversations intensifies
• Tropa wrote on 2015-12-22 08:24
  A Small update for Crafters(Concept)
  
  Certain crafting talents will now be able to part-take in special daily quests for Crafter SealsA(Crafter Specific) which can be used to buy a verity of materials, training seals, manuals, patterns, production enchants and specialized gear for the talent.
  

  
  
  • Daily Quests will require you to fill in an order, which is dependent on your skill and talent ranks.
    
  • Each daily quests will give you 3 seals, depending on what you hand in, you may receive 1 or 2 more.
    
  • Being a Grand Master in a certain production talent will double the yield of Seals you obtain through your daily orders.
    
  • Specialized Gear from the Crafter's Seal shop are not tradable.
    
  • Daily Quests will sometimes hand out special items alongside the seals(Fine Leather, Wooden Boards, ect)

  
  
  
  New NPCs
  
  There will be a three new NPC's located in Belvast.
  

  
  
  • One NPC will hand out your daily quests(one quest for each crafting talent)
    
  • One NPC will trade in your Crafter Seals(Talent Specific) for Common Materials(In Bulk), Special Materials, Skill Specific Training Seals(5%/10%/15%) New Manuals, New Patterns, New Alchemy Research Notes*, Special Production Enchants and Specialized Gear.
    
  • One NPC will sell basic crafting tools and common materials for gold.
    

  
  [SIZE="1"]*Alchemy Research Notes are a new Consumable item that unlocks new special Syntheesis and Fragmention recipes.[/SIZE]
  
  
  Quest Types
  
  Blacksmith
  Deliver a certain type of Armor or Weapon.
  - Delivering items with a higher quality will yield more seals(1~2)
  Deliver a certain amount of Ores or Ore Fragments.
  Deliver a certain amount of Ingots or Plates.
  
  Tailoring
  Deliver a certain type of Clothing
  - Delivering items with a higher quality will yield more seals(1~2)
  Deliver a certain amount of Wool or Cobwebs
  Deliver a certain amount of Threads, Silks, or Fabric
  
  Carpentry
  Deliver a certain type of Bow or Crossbow
  - Delivering items with a higher quality will yield more seals(1~2)
  Deliver a certain amount of Firewood
  
  Cooking
  Deliver a certain type of Food
  - Delivering items with a higher quality will yield more seals(1~2)
  Deliver a certain amount of Ingredients
  
  Apothecary
  Deliver a certain type of Potions
  Deliver a certain amount of Herbs
  
  Transmutation
  Deliver a certain type of item made through Synthesis
  Deliver special items made through Fragmentation(Fragmentable items will be given)
  
  
  Specialized Crafter Gear
  
  Anvil Master's Goggles[45 Seals]
  Anvil Master's Smock[75 Seals]
  Anvil Master's Work Mits[30 Seals]
  Anvil Master's Work Boots[30 Seals]
  

  
  
  • Set Effect: +25% Blacksmith Quality and +1 Ore Yield
    

  
  
  Loom Master's Hat[45 Seals]
  Loom Master's Doublet[75 Seals]
  Loom Master's Gloves[30 Seals]
  Loom Master's Shoes[30 Seals]
  

  
  
  • Set Effect: +25% Tailoring Quality and +1 Wool Yield
    

  
  
  Lumber Master's Bandanna[45 Seals]
  Lumber Master's Overalls[75 Seals]
  Lumber Master's Hand Guards[30 Seals]
  Lumber Master's Boots[30 Seals]
  

  
  
  • Set Effect: +25% Carpentry Quality and +1 Wood Yield
    

  
  
  Kitchen Master's Hat[45 Seals]
  Kitchen Master's Smock[75 Seals]
  Kitchen Master's Mits[30 Seals]
  Kitchen Master's Shoes[30 Seals]
  

  
  
  • Set Effect: +25% Cooking Quality Points and +1 Ingredient Yield(Also Applies to Ingredient Hunting)
    

  
  
  Brew Master's Googles[45 Seals]
  Brew Master's Trench-Coat[75 Seals]
  Brew Master's Gloves[30 Seals]
  Brew Master's Boots[30 Seals]
  

  
  
  • Set Effect: 30% Chance not to consume materials and +1 Herb Yield
    

  
  
  Transmutationist's Glasses[45 Seals]
  Transmutationist's Lab Coat[75 Seals]
  Transmutationist's Gloves[30 Seals]
  Transmutationist's Boots[30 Seals]
  

  
  
  • Set Effect: +10% Alchemy Success Rate and Fragmentation will never go below 50% of it's Potential Yield
    
• Twin wrote on 2015-12-28 06:57
  Destory / Destroy All now is renamed Remove / Remove all respectively
• Kapra wrote on 2015-12-28 09:08
  You may now put things in a temporary inventory without having to mod to achieve that effect. I thought about it, and why the hell not? Why can't that be a vanilla feature? So they can profit 200nx off of selling me a bank coupon instead of me just putting stuff in a temp inv temporarily and then finish the dungeon and reach a bank within 5 minutes?