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Hazeri wrote on 2012-05-01 20:25
Starting this summer millions of BitTorrent users in the United States will be tracked as part of a voluntary agreement between the MPAA, RIAA and all the major ISPs. Those who are caught sharing copyrighted works will receive several warning messages and eventual punishment if they continue to infringe. Commenting on the plans, Comcast Vice President Gerard Lewis praised the cooperation as a good model that safeguards privacy, while educating the public.
Last week the Creative Coalition Campaign hosted a conference on anti-piracy measures.
One of the key speakers at the event was Gerard Lewis, Vice President of Internet provider Comcast, who informed participants about the upcoming copyright alerts system that will become active in three months.
The system will be managed by the Center for Copyright Information, and is the result of a voluntary agreement between copyright holders and all major ISPs that was signed last summer.
Under the agreement a third-party company will collect the IP-addresses of alleged infringers on BitTorrent and other public file-sharing networks. The ISPs will then notify these offenders and tell them that their behavior is unacceptable. After six warnings the ISP may then take a variety of repressive measures, which includes the option to cut off the offender’s connection temporarily.
In his talk Comcast’s Vice President explained that the “six-strikes†system is needed because the DMCA law doesn’t work well for P2P infringements. Instead, the copyright holders and ISPs needed a more flexible approach, which culminated in the copyright alerts system and a historic memorandum of understanding.
Lewis went on to emphasize that the deal safeguards the privacy of subscribers, as copyright holders don’t get the personal details of alleged pirates. The warnings are mostly educational, informative, and point people to sources where they can download content legally. Additionally, Lewis said it’s important that the repressive measures don’t disrupt vital services such as phone calls.
He further noted that while ISPs are now playing a valuable role, more anti-piracy work can be done with other parties. Payment processors and search engines could be around the table as well according to Comcast’s Vice President.
Overall, Lewis said that a flexible and voluntary agreement is a good model to follow, but that they are still learning as the system is being rolled out. The effectiveness of the copyright alerts system remains to be seen.
In France a three-strikes warning system is mandated by the Hadopi law, and at the conference Marie-Françoise Marais of the Hadopi office shared some new statistics. Since the law was implemented late 2010 a total of 970,000 warnings have been sent out. 88,600 alleged infringers received a second warning and 270 are on their third strike.
The last group risks a 1,500 euro fine and Internet disconnection of up to a month, should a judge agree.
Marais used the above statistics to argue that relatively few people continue downloading copyrighted material after being warned. But, she also noted that it doesn’t always work, as one person begged to download one more episode of the US TV-show “24.â€
The impact of the US “six-strikes†version will become apparent in the months to come.
While Comcast and the other partners are confident that alerts are an effective and reasonable way to deter online piracy, others have their doubts. For one, the monitoring system is relatively easy to bypass through a proxy or VPN.
Secondly, the multi-million dollar plan only covers a few of the many sources of online piracy. The millions of U.S. Internet users who download via cyberlockers and streaming portals are not affected by this agreement at all, as these downloads are impossible for third parties to track legally.
How ‘reasonable’ the “six-strikes†system turns out to be largely depends on what punishments Internet providers intend to hand out. Needless to say, a temporary reduction in bandwidth is less severe than cutting people’s Internet access. More details on this are expected to come out in the near future.
Better rev up dem HD's and start backing up everything americans, that or stand for your privacy.
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Sumpfkraut wrote on 2012-05-01 20:29
Sounds quite interesting. If it isn't a wolf in sheep's wool or turns out to have some major flaws in its technical implementation, I might just find this quite agreeable.
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Yoorah wrote on 2012-05-01 21:51
I can see lots of greedy kiddies getting pwned by their daddies once said daddies get letters showing their kiddies' illegal activities on the family's ISP account. Good stuff. x) Hopefully it'll help educate the next generation of internet users into slightly more mature and responsible individuals.
Too bad this only applies to BT piracy.. for now.
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TA wrote on 2012-05-01 22:12
This is bullshit. I use a seedbox and sftp, so I'm not effected, but this is bullshit. Clear invasion of privacy.
And their calling internet not a vital service is retarded too. Some of us need the internet.
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Yoorah wrote on 2012-05-01 22:38
Those who need it that badly will then have to learn to not abuse it. :)
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Halfslashed wrote on 2012-05-01 22:45
I'm pretty sure somewhere in the UN statues, broadband internet is a basic right.. Someone look it up, I forgot where I saw the article.
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Yoorah wrote on 2012-05-01 22:55
The 'net is not a human right, rofl. Some crazy people wanted to classify it as one, however.
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paladin wrote on 2012-05-01 23:01
Comcast like nexon is among
Yes we hate them but do we got a choice no not really group
Not really surpising
I wont be surpised as much as you can try to monitor the internet
People will adapt,evidence in countries with cenorship that does get cirumvented
Yoorah-as much as you would like a moral internet thats a pipe dream
The internet with its mask of anonymity will never have purified morals
its like putting drug addicts/dealers in jail to prove to the next generation it is bad
has it fully curbed drug use no
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Maenad wrote on 2012-05-01 23:01
Quote from Yoorah;853423:
The 'net is not a human right, rofl. Some crazy people wanted to classify it as one, however.
The internet is an extremely efficient means of communicating with absolutely anyone else with access to it. Communication is a basic human right, is it not?
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Kingofrunes wrote on 2012-05-01 23:10
One way or another the government is going to trap us in this. You can count on it.
I'd personally prefer a voluntary approach with reasonable standards and rules than forced rules that are extremely harsh like what SOPA proposes.
ISP's already know everything about us I'm sure. At least with this they don't have to give our information out to the evil copyright holders who would most likely seek much larger punishments mind you.
Lose a month of Internet or go to Jail/pay thousands of dollars in fines if not more. I think I'll go with A. At least they give you 6 warnings.
I don't illegally download stuff anyways. I only download touhou stuff or watch anime online. Actually, I rarely watch anime.
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paladin wrote on 2012-05-01 23:11
Quote from Kingofrunes;853439:
One way or another the government is going to trap us in this. You can count on it.
I'd personally prefer a voluntary approach with reasonable standards and rules than forced rules that are extremely harsh like what SOPA proposes.
ISP's already know everything about us I'm sure. At least with this they don't have to give our information out to the evil copyright holders who would most likely seek much larger punishments mind you.
Other reasons created laws that prevent that very thing
Its scary to think what companies will do to make a profit if they got your info
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Cynic wrote on 2012-05-01 23:31
Quote from TA;853391:
This is bullshit. I use a seedbox and sftp, so I'm not effected, but this is bullshit. Clear invasion of privacy.
And their calling internet not a vital service is retarded too. Some of us need the internet.
inb4 "well if you need it then don't illegally download shit."
Either way, I can't say I'm surprised. (and I mean besides the fact that I read a relating article) The government seriously needs to stop fucking around with the Internet.
Most of the people vying for these sorts of laws are either rich imbeciles who whine about having a bit less money so they can't afford their new car this month and/or are just dinosaurs who have probably never even touched a computer.
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Hazeri wrote on 2012-05-02 00:25
Quote from Kingofrunes;853439:
One way or another the government is going to trap us in this. You can count on it.
I'd personally prefer a voluntary approach with reasonable standards and rules than forced rules that are extremely harsh like what SOPA proposes.
ISP's already know everything about us I'm sure. At least with this they don't have to give our information out to the evil copyright holders who would most likely seek much larger punishments mind you.
Lose a month of Internet or go to Jail/pay thousands of dollars in fines if not more. I think I'll go with A. At least they give you 6 warnings.
I don't illegally download stuff anyways. I only download touhou stuff or watch anime online. Actually, I rarely watch anime.
Unless you pay for the touhou stuff you've downloaded, you've downloaded illegally. Yes, even the doujins.
The question is, how long till you guys tell your reps to stop fucking around with the internet? World is falling to pieces and instead the priority seems to be a bunch of pirates on the internet.
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Royale wrote on 2012-05-02 01:12
just use peerblock....
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Ninjam wrote on 2012-05-02 06:34
I find all of this stupid. For one thing, I have downloaded many copyrighted things, but 9/10 are 5 years or older, or i already have purchased a working copy but the DMC protection went off and tech support told me to get lost, or the working copy was on my other computer and the disk wont let me transfer it to my new one.
Or more commonly, they are copyrighted in japan, but imposable to get here, like some of my favorite games.