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RebeccaBlack wrote on 2012-06-02 11:12
^ I think he just meant the range :P Karok must be an enormous pain in the ass to play in Lionotus because 90% of the time will be spent chasing him around the damn stage.
It's pretty irrelevant that Evie has ranged attacks. I mean yeah, it matters, and it's nice to have the options in case something is within "medium range", but it's honestly nothing compared to how Kai can hit basically the whole stage. Charging isn't mandatory to keep hitting, either. I'm not sure just how long his range is, but it's already been proven that it's long enough to hit Colru from the other side of the map. Evie can't even hit for half of the map (maybe not even a third?) and that's only with her one super long, fully charged, 30 second cooldown attack. Kai's SP building normals go much further.
I get the idea behind your post, but I'm saying Kai is going to bring it to a scale Vindictus has not yet seen before.
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Episkey wrote on 2012-06-02 15:46
Well, the title was a bit of a joke on my part. But it's interesting to read the discussion going on.
However, here's something else to look at:
[video=youtube;q5iQWBMgK34]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5iQWBMgK34&feature=channel&list=UL[/video]
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foreignreign wrote on 2012-06-02 18:29
Quote from RebeccaBlack;878435:
^ I think he just meant the range :P Karok must be an enormous pain in the ass to play in Lionotus because 90% of the time will be spent chasing him around the damn stage.
Why is anyone chasing Lionotus?
I hope you mean Elchulus. In which case, Cestus Karok is easily the best class in there because he actually has the easiest time chasing targets.
Quote from Episkey;878504:
Well, the title was a bit of a joke on my part. But it's interesting to read the discussion going on.
However, here's something else to look at:
Again, Lann can do the same thing, except with less effort. 13k ATT + Slashing High + Spinning stunlocks Laghodessa even with just one Lann.
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RebeccaBlack wrote on 2012-06-02 19:11
Quote from foreignreign;878583:
Why is anyone chasing Lionotus?
You know what I mean.
The point is that Kai has far more openings to endlessly attack and that's gonna play a bigger role than it seems.
Sure, for Lionotus it would be ideal for everyone to basically stand still and DPS him to death, but that usually isn't how it goes unless it's an organized run.
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xJac wrote on 2012-06-05 02:23
I am not sure if you guys know this or not, kai's range is not unlimited.
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MareneCorp wrote on 2012-06-05 03:32
Quote from xJac;880351:
I am not sure if you guys know this or not, kai's range is not unlimited.
Certainly not unlimited, but far enough for him to be far out of harm's way.
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Kayate wrote on 2012-06-05 03:42
If only my comp could handle vindi
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RebeccaBlack wrote on 2012-06-05 10:31
Quote from xJac;880351:
I am not sure if you guys know this or not, kai's range is not unlimited.
Yeah, but it's pretty massive. They might've changed it by now, but he was sniping in a lot of the boss vids.
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xJac wrote on 2012-06-05 18:32
oh, I should say it this way. Kai's bow range isn't unlimited anymore; yes, it was nerf'ed, as well as many other little aspects.
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RebeccaBlack wrote on 2012-06-05 23:42
I see.
And just to verify, this is recent and not something that came with the "official" release when they finished testing, right?
If so, then yeah, that makes me not want to play Kai so badly.
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SakuraFarron wrote on 2012-06-06 14:14
I think they nerfed Kai when he was released on the official KR servers. Here's a few solo videos post-nerf:
[Image: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-CZmVbDDl4Uk/T85f5Sc0PtI/AAAAAAAAAq8/mu7sgVPuIVE/s606/pandora+video.png]
For the Pandora videos you can select the
LD option for better quality and if there’s traffic on the website press
reconnect.
Kai v Titan
[spoiler]
Kai v Titan Pandora Video Link
7min run with 17k Attk and DK Trans.
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Kai v Hero Chiulin
[spoiler]
[video=vimeo;37899380]http://vimeo.com/37899380[/video]
Armor: (ep10)Everlasting Dragon Top/Pants/Helm & Apocryphal Boots/Gloves
Weapon: (ep10)Elchulus Bow
@0:46 @2:14 @6:25 uses
Chain Link to chain Chiulin to the wall/ground.
@5:35 @10:08 @12:12
Prey Drive
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Kai v Thor (Failed Run)
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[video=youtube;00N1UfAT7tU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=00N1UfAT7tU&list=PL6776DBA2BEFC82AB[/video]
DK Trans and Prey Drive @9:56
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Kai v Ingkells
[spoiler]
Pandora Video Link
16min run and DK Trans.
Weapon: ep10 Elchulus Bow (Shortbow)
[/spoiler]
Kai v Glas
[spoiler]
1st Kai v Glas Pandora Video Link
21min run and Prey Drive @9:56
2nd Video: Pandora Video Link
22 min run
Armor: Deathwind Set
Weapon: Teten Bow(?)
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Kai v Lionotus
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[video=youtube;nKArMHe6tME]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKArMHe6tME&feature=player_embedded[/video]
39 min, no trans.
Armor: Fused Jirkal Helm/Heavier Red Tyrant Boots Deathwind Set
Weapon: Ep10 Elchulus Bow (Long&Shortbow)
@5:50 Breakoff
@7:19
Hunter’s Eye
@7:48
Dodge Grapple
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xJac wrote on 2012-06-09 19:37
I am pretty sure kai was still pretty imba when he was just released, look at this person's video and you can see the changes.
The nerfs are enough to bring kai from way up there down to on par with lann in terms of dps. (he is still quite op, mind you)
Video:
[video=youtube;aH_VjOKIIbI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aH_VjOKIIbI[/video]
Edit: you can see the person mentioned both test server and regular server had the same kai before the nerf, not just that test server one's buffed. So yea, the nerf comes after he was live on regular server.
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RebeccaBlack wrote on 2012-06-09 20:02
Quote from xJac;883699:
The nerfs are enough to bring kai from way up there down to on par with lann in terms of dps. (he is still quite op, mind you)
You sure about that?
[video=youtube;5dC-vGdOI38]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dC-vGdOI38[/video]
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xJac wrote on 2012-06-09 20:35
that guy is obviously over geared.... (if you give kai the same gear, probably don't need as much def, you will see similar performance)
edit: and it's the fact that kai requires fewer gears to perform at the same level as other class, high dps and high survivability, that makes him op (yes, it's just like staffie, and that's why people say staffie is op too) You can use a overgeared sword fiona and compare it to a average geared kai and say that fiona performed much better; but that doesn't mean sword fiona is op, it's just the one you're talking about is geared to teeth, and makes her look like she's op.
Ask any spear lann with a +6 spear to solo klaus in 6 min without stacking def, not going to happen.
dps wise they are similar, probably spear lann will come on top if survivability isn't a problem; but spear lann requires def stacking to tank spin, and kai don't. Or you can say skills, but skill doesn't affect whether a class is op or not.
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MareneCorp wrote on 2012-06-09 20:46
Quote from RebeccaBlack;883721:
You sure about that?
[video=youtube;5dC-vGdOI38]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dC-vGdOI38[/video]
Don't judge the whole population based on one guy -_-