8/16 Season 2 Part 3 Update

• RebeccaBlack wrote on 2012-05-28 10:26

  Quote from OizenX;874353:

  Attack skills. Ya know, somthing to make Double Crecent's stam cost to damage % worth it
  
  You know how sword lann has shitty damage %'s? Fury 7 is too glitchy and unpredictable for me to want to use, and slashing high is only good for spear lanns occasionally, if they use it at a bad time, they get a big head and get killed by not being pushed away. Its much more useful on fiona imo.
  
  Most attack based SP skills are easy to ignore, except Reverse Gravity, which is a huge stun for your party to wail on a boss.

  
  All three of those are damage skills and they're all important.
  
  Lann has the best damage percentiles. If anything, it's ungeared survivability that should be of concern.
  
  How is it more useful on Fiona? Because they can block? That almost takes away a lot of the point of Slashing High as it should only be used when you have a good opening. And when you don't have a good opening, it still works better for Lanns because of superarmor for spears.
  
  RG is nice, but Evies take longer to build up SP etc. Slashing High really is quite amazing and it made a substantial difference in my Lann's gameplay. That's a lot of damage someone could be doing very quickly and it's hard to act like it's not a big deal. Even if you don't have very good gear, there are still openings on the current raid bosses (except ones no one plays like Irukul). And even if you're a sword Lann, you're still going to be doing GF/LF over and over for all that time which, from what I've heard, is technically even better from a DPS standpoint. I've only heard that from an outside perspective though, have not tested it, but there's no doubt GF/LF spamming is huge damage.
• MareneCorp wrote on 2012-05-28 15:45

  Quote from RebeccaBlack;874374:

  All three of those are damage skills and they're all important.
  
  Lann has the best damage percentiles. If anything, it's ungeared survivability that should be of concern.
  
  How is it more useful on Fiona? Because they can block? That almost takes away a lot of the point of Slashing High as it should only be used when you have a good opening. And when you don't have a good opening, it still works better for Lanns because of superarmor for spears.
  
  RG is nice, but Evies take longer to build up SP etc. Slashing High really is quite amazing and it made a substantial difference in my Lann's gameplay. That's a lot of damage someone could be doing very quickly and it's hard to act like it's not a big deal. Even if you don't have very good gear, there are still openings on the current raid bosses (except ones no one plays like Irukul). And even if you're a sword Lann, you're still going to be doing GF/LF over and over for all that time which, from what I've heard, is technically even better from a DPS standpoint. I've only heard that from an outside perspective though, have not tested it, but there's no doubt GF/LF spamming is huge damage.

  
  
  I think you forgot to take into account the massive amount of skill that requires going into Lann just to be able to survive, much less deal damage. Criticals are, well, criticals, not always going to be able to pull off a GF/LF on every hit, as well as determining whether to use it or not. There's a lot more than numbers when it comes to Lanns.
• foreignreign wrote on 2012-05-28 17:06

  Quote from MareneCorp;874466:

  Criticals are, well, criticals, not always going to be able to pull off a GF/LF on every hit, as well as determining whther to use it or not.

  
  
  You know, I'm starting to think that a lot of people are gearing their sword Lanns wrong, and this comment made me think about it.
  
  I say this because I don't see many that sword Lanns use Chance at all. It's +12 Crit, -15% Balance and while the Balance might suck... at 1037 WIL, +12 Crit nets my Lann +7.8% damage overall from smashes. -15% Balance just means that I lose out on... 7.5% damage overall. Which essentially balances each other out, except obviously, more crits = more glides. So versus Maelstrom, you really only get more ATT. And ATT really isn't a problem unless you're like, <12k.
  
  So even if you go Relentless Chance DWTS, that's still 84 total Crit. Which is at least 30% on any endgame raid boss (even up to episode 10) that isn't Lionotus. And with 30% crit chance, you actually have a 51% to crit on a 54 crit res boss when you use Pummel Storm or DC, so really, you can expect to get a crit at least every other "hit" in a way (since those two moves are the go-to combos). And that's with the lowest crit twin swords of all level 60 weapons. Turning those into Twin Sabers bumps you up to a ~61% chance to crit off DC/PS.
  
  At 50%+ chance of critting, I would say that's almost as reliable as you can get without being crazy and going Twinkling Chance Raider's Twin Swords (which admittedly, I want to do).
  
  Personally, I run around with +8 Relentless Chance Raider's Twin (I barely hit 12k ATT with the armor set I wear) and even then, unless I'm competing against people with +12s or higher, or DEF-stacked spear Lanns, I can still manage top 3 in Dragon runs. Hell, even in regular raids if most people only have +10s at best I can get top 3.
  
  Just a random rant-ish thought I had.
• MareneCorp wrote on 2012-05-28 17:11

  Quote from foreignreign;874503:

  You know, I'm starting to think that a lot of people are gearing their sword Lanns wrong, and this comment made me think about it.
  
  I say this because I don't see many that sword Lanns use Chance at all. It's +12 Crit, -15% Balance and while the Balance might suck... at 1037 WIL, +12 Crit nets my Lann +7.8% damage overall from smashes. -15% Balance just means that I lose out on... 7.5% damage overall. Which essentially balances each other out, except obviously, more crits = more glides. So versus Maelstrom, you really only get more ATT. And ATT really isn't a problem unless you're like, <12k.
  
  So even if you go Relentless Chance DWTS, that's still 84 total Crit. Which is at least 30% on any endgame raid boss (even up to episode 10) that isn't Lionotus. And with 30% crit chance, you actually have a 51% to crit on a 54 crit res boss when you use Pummel Storm or DC, so really, you can expect to get a crit at least every other "hit" in a way (since those two moves are the go-to combos). And that's with the lowest crit twin swords of all level 60 weapons. Turning those into Twin Sabers bumps you up to a ~61% chance to crit off DC/PS.
  
  At 50%+ chance of critting, I would say that's almost as reliable as you can get without being crazy and going Twinkling Chance Raider's Twin Swords (which admittedly, I want to do).
  
  Personally, I run around with +8 Relentless Chance Raider's Twin (I barely hit 12k ATT with the armor set I wear) and even then, unless I'm competing against people with +12s or higher, or DEF-stacked spear Lanns, I can still manage top 3 in Dragon runs. Hell, even in regular raids if most people only have +10s at best I can get top 3.
  
  Just a random rant-ish thought I had.

  
  
  But it's still not as reliable as a dreaming 100% critical, which most people see when they calculate numbers, meaning they get a lot of numbers wrong. And not too many well-minded Lanns will use GF/LF every single time, if it's a life/death situation where GF/LF brings death a Lann wouldn't do it. Nothing works out like a charm in the actual field.
• SakuraFarron wrote on 2012-05-28 17:35
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• MareneCorp wrote on 2012-05-28 17:55

  Quote from SakuraFarron;874516:

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  I wouldn't use the storage with that dog watching me.
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• Narthice wrote on 2012-05-28 18:11

  Quote from MareneCorp;874532:

  I wouldn't GET NEAR the storage with that dog watching me.
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• foreignreign wrote on 2012-05-28 22:53

  Quote from MareneCorp;874505:

  But it's still not as reliable as a dreaming 100% critical, which most people see when they calculate numbers, meaning they get a lot of numbers wrong. And not too many well-minded Lanns will use GF/LF every single time, if it's a life/death situation where GF/LF brings death a Lann wouldn't do it. Nothing works out like a charm in the actual field.

  
  
  I think more of the problem is that Lanns tend to have even <40 base crit (not counting WIL or the skill), so they never really get to experiment or test out actually using Lightning Fury against most bosses. Like, even if you have R/M DWTS and Master, which brings you up to base 42 crit, you still only have a 36% chance to crit with DCs (20% crit against a 54 res boss). If you're spamming Slip -> DC that's essentially 96 stamina just to get one crit, and then you have to get lucky with your 1/5 chance to use that Lightning Fury? Well yeah you'll probably end up getting hit if you don't make a B-line out of there with Lightning Fury; because you don't know how well your LF is gonna go and most people wouldn't want to take the risk, since Lann is squishy enough as is.
  
  And I see a lot of Lanns with DWTS still. And even the ones with Twin Sabers seem to only go for one r9, if that.
  
  As for Gliding, if you actually get higher crit, you get used to how long it takes to go off if you decide to use it. Gliding Fury essentially just starts replacing a second Pummel Storm or DC after your first one, and it's not like it's any less safe to GF than it is to Pummel.
• Elleanior wrote on 2012-05-28 23:58

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  Such a cute doggie!! :skip:
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• RebeccaBlack wrote on 2012-05-29 03:42

  -15% Balance just means that I lose out on... 7.5% damage overall.

  I don't think your numbers are right on this. (Well, technically they would be if it was -15% balance instead of a static -15.)
  
  If you had 100 balance and balance had no cap, you would lose out on 7.5% damage from a loss of 15% balance. However, you're actually losing out on more by having 90 or less. Hard to explain, but I think you get what I'm saying. Losing 15 balance when you have 90, for example, would change an average damage from 95% of your max to 87.5%, which is -7.5% of 100, but actually equates to a 7.9% of 95. Just gets higher with lower balance.
  
  Also, something that's hard to calculate is that when you crit more often, you do GF/LF more and it's challenging to figure out how much damage is gained compared to doing some other action in place of that. To make things worse, crit resist changes that number, there's stamina to factor in, and also mobility issues on bosses that won't sit still and superarmor issues for spears. Even leaving out survivability, these are all relevant factors to doing the most damage.
• foreignreign wrote on 2012-05-29 04:18

  Quote from RebeccaBlack;875064:

  I don't think your numbers are right on this. (Well, technically they would be if it was -15% balance instead of a static -15.)
  
  If you had 100 balance and balance had no cap, you would lose out on 7.5% damage from a loss of 15% balance. However, you're actually losing out on more by having 90 or less. Hard to explain, but I think you get what I'm saying. Losing 15 balance when you have 90, for example, would change an average damage from 95% of your max to 87.5%, which is -7.5% of 100, but actually equates to a 7.9% of 95. Just gets higher with lower balance.

  
  
  You might be right, but 7.8% more flat damage from crits compared to 7.9% damage loss isn't that much better than before in the context of Chance scroll, which is what I was getting at.
  
  It's also not entirely off to just go with the 7.5% calculation, since it takes going from 90 Balance to 50 Balance to make the off-hand calculation off by even 1% (20% estimate vs. 21% actual loss).
• RebeccaBlack wrote on 2012-05-29 04:30

  Quote from foreignreign;875110:

  You might be right, but 7.8% more flat damage from crits compared to 7.9% damage loss isn't that much better than before in the context of Chance scroll, which is what I was getting at.
  
  It's also not entirely off to just go with the 7.5% calculation, since it takes going from 90 Balance to 50 Balance to make the off-hand calculation off by even 1% (20% estimate vs. 21% actual loss).

  
  Well, most people won't have close to 90 balance, in fact with scrolls that reduce balance I'd easily see people around 60 and stuff.
  
  The main question is whether this stuff actually adds up to a 1% increase in damage in real gameplay compared to other alternatives (such as spin2win or Moonsplitter). I guess for sword Lanns it probably does.
  
  There's just so many factors involved that someone would really have to sit down and do a lot of math (and some testing) to figure it out. And even then, it might come down to playstyle. I'd say it's only significant enough to matter if it makes a 5-10% difference or it's another class where crits are nothing but damage.
• SakuraFarron wrote on 2012-05-29 15:07

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  Someone revealed there will be a new decomposition system ( probably because of the introduction junks: broken and normal gears ) and a spirit synthesis system.
  Spirit Synthesis System is by injecting ores to strength items, a few APs is required in the process, the results is additional stats in the item or... failure = reduction in stats.
  
  UI for the new systems:
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  Possibly more cash-related items and equipment (nursestyle armor is possibly chinese-exclusive items)
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  Inn-Keeper Eire?
  

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  Blacksmith Turen?
  

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• Narthice wrote on 2012-05-29 15:25
  Nice find, but I wonder what is that bee/wasp at the very bottom? New Pet? :worry:
• SakuraFarron wrote on 2012-05-29 15:53

  Quote from Narthice;875296:

  Nice find, but I wonder what is that bee/wasp at the very bottom? New Pet? :worry:

  
  Probably a new mob enemy, I don't want a wasp pet. :T_T:

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  He also mentioned details of the uncapped Slashing High skill ranks:
  Rank 6: for 19sec, your movement speed is increased by 20%
  From rank F - rank 6: 2% speed increase per rank, 10-19sec duration