Simple Question

• paladin wrote on 2012-05-05 23:06

  Quote from Episkey;856630:

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  Just pointing this out.
  
  
  Also, in the case of abortion, isn't it a majority of the time the woman's decision? I'm pretty sure that she holds the ultimate say in whether or not the abortion happens. Since it's "her body" after all.

  
  
  Not quite the point Spaarta was making
  His two points were women should stop messing around
  and his other point is should we even given women the choice to have a abortion
• Episkey wrote on 2012-05-05 23:16

  Quote from paladin;856632:

  Not quite the point Spaarta was making
  His two points were women should stop messing around
  and his other point is should we even given women the choice to have a abortion

  
  
  His first point was targeting both men and women, as evidenced by his usage of the words "they" and "them".
  
  As for his second point, that's why I even brought up what I wrote! If indeed abortions are mainly caused via the female's decision - then only naturally, the responsibility falls more on her. Therefore, should they be given the choice?
• Spartaaaaa wrote on 2012-05-05 23:39

  Quote from Ithiliel;856613:

  Just because a women is giving consent doesn't mean it doesn't fall on BOTH parties to ask whether a contraceptive is being used or not. If neither party asks, and just assume, then they're both to blame not just the woman. It's that type of thinking, that the woman is to blame/is solely responsible when it comes to anything sexual, that has led to so many teen pregnancies and the whole mentality when it comes to rape of, "She was asking for it".
  
  Spartaaaa, you can't just lay the blame on a woman. That's really ridiculous, the man is consenting to having sex as well-why shouldn't he be held responsible for contraceptives too?

  
  
  All the woman has to do is not give consent and the problem would be solved (once again, rape is out of the question in this discussion). If the woman knows that she does not want a baby and/or cannot take care of it, then the solution is abstinence rather than to have sex anyway and get an abortion later.
  
  Logically, the majority of the responsibility is on the one who made the final decision (whether it was the man or woman). After all, assuming no force and little to no manipulation, the actions of the initiator ought to have no bearing on the actions of the person making the final decision.
• Medusa wrote on 2012-05-05 23:53
  of course dumb bitches should be allowed abortions. we don't want them breeding. that would only lead to more dumb bitches.
  
  in fact, i think abortions should be mandatory for all idiots and dumb people.
• Ithiliel wrote on 2012-05-06 00:08

  Quote from Spartaaaaa;856653:

  All the woman has to do is not give consent and the problem would be solved (once again, rape is out of the question in this discussion). If the woman knows that she does not want a baby and/or cannot take care of it, then the solution is abstinence rather than to have sex anyway and get an abortion later.
  
  Logically, the majority of the responsibility is on the one who made the final decision (whether it was the man or woman). After all, assuming no force and little to no manipulation, the actions of the initiator ought to have no bearing on the actions of the person making the final decision.

  
  
  ....Just wow, no. You can't sit here and justify placing all the blame solely on a woman, it takes two to tango, Spartaaaaa. Men and boys are just as responsible in taking precautions when it comes to sex, but it's thinking like yours that makes others think it's ok to continuously only blame women.
  
  If men or boys know they're not ready to take care of a child either, all they have to do is not stick their dick in someone.
• Aliyah wrote on 2012-05-06 00:19

  Quote from Ithiliel;856678:

  
  
  If men or boys know they're not ready to take care of a child either, all they have to do is not stick their dick in someone.

  
  ^this +rep
• Rin wrote on 2012-05-06 01:04

  Quote from Medusa;856663:

  of course dumb bitches should be allowed abortions. we don't want them breeding. that would only lead to more dumb bitches.
  
  in fact, i think abortions should be mandatory for all idiots and dumb people.

  
  
  I think it's cheaper just to castrate at that point.
• User495 wrote on 2012-05-06 01:19
  just to clarify, how many of you pro-life people are women
• Episkey wrote on 2012-05-06 01:31

  Quote from Seviraph;856730:

  just to clarify, how many of you pro-life people are women

  
  
  Let's see ...
  
  

  
  
  • My mother
    
  • My sister
    
  • Both of my grandmothers
    
  • My aunt
    
  • Two of my cousins
    

  
  
  So, approximately seven women in my nearby extended family? (The one's who I know their personal stance on abortion is)
  
  
  Oh! But to answer your question - I'm a male

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• User495 wrote on 2012-05-06 01:33

  Quote from Episkey;856735:

  Let's see ...
  
  

  
  
  • My mother
    
  • My sister
    
  • Both of my grandmothers
    
  • My aunt
    
  • Two of my cousins
    

  
  
  So, approximately seven women in my nearby extended family? (The one's who I know their personal stance on abortion is)
  
  
  Oh! But to answer your question - I'm a male

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  Your family doesn't matter in this thread
  I was asking because spartaaa seems to understand everything about how a woman thinks
• Ithiliel wrote on 2012-05-06 01:38

  Quote from Seviraph;856736:

  
  I was asking because spartaaa seems to understand everything about how a woman thinks

  
  
  I hope you're being sarcastic, because he really doesn't.
  
  I'm pro-life myself, but that doesn't mean I'm going to force my views on someone else. Do I dislike that a lot of women get pregnant all the time and just abort? Yes, I do. Would I ever hold an abortion against a rape victim? Never. But for me, I don't think I could ever abort my baby, even if it was a rape baby.
• Episkey wrote on 2012-05-06 01:40

  Quote from Seviraph;856736:

  Your family doesn't matter in this thread

  
  
  :!!:
  
  What. Well, okay then ...

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  Quote from Seviraph;856736:

  
  I was asking because spartaaa seems to understand everything about how a woman thinks

  
  
  I don't see that. Do you see that? I don't >.<
  
  [S]Maybe he has a PhD in Psychology? [/S]
  
  To be fair, being a woman doesn't automatically give you full understanding on how all women behave. I could never make that claim about men ... could you?
• User495 wrote on 2012-05-06 01:40

  Quote from Ithiliel;856737:

  I hope you're being sarcastic, because he really doesn't.
  
  I'm pro-life myself, but that doesn't mean I'm going to force my views on someone else. Do I dislike that a lot of women get pregnant all the time and just abort? Yes, I do. Would I ever hold an abortion against a rape victim? Never. But for me, I don't think I could ever abort my baby, even if it was a rape baby.

  
  
  I was being sarcastic, hence the question
  
  personally, if you are going to force the blame on women at least be a woman
  
  otherwise you have no right to make such decisions for them
• Ithiliel wrote on 2012-05-06 01:43

  Quote from Seviraph;856741:

  I was being sarcastic, hence the question
  
  personally, if you are going to force the blame on women at least be a woman
  
  otherwise you have no right to make such decisions for them

  
  
  Oh, phew. Alright, thank you. I'm so glad that was sarcasm.
• Bride wrote on 2012-05-06 01:47

  Quote from Seviraph;856730:

  just to clarify, how many of you pro-life people are women

  
  me
  
  

  Quote from Ithiliel;856737:

  I hope you're being sarcastic, because he really doesn't.
  
  I'm pro-life myself, but that doesn't mean I'm going to force my views on someone else. Do I dislike that a lot of women get pregnant all the time and just abort? Yes, I do. Would I ever hold an abortion against a rape victim? Never. But for me, I don't think I could ever abort my baby, even if it was a rape baby.

  
  oh gosh I feel the same way
  I have no idea how I'd feel about a baby that's the result of rape, because really, it isn't the baby's fault and I don't think it's fair I'd end my child's existence because of horrible circumstances
  but I'd understand if someone else did it
  
  I just think it's cruel for a couple to be careless over contraception and then have an abortion to solve their problem. abortion isn't an option for me and I know my partner will take responsibility too :(