Simple Question

• User495 wrote on 2012-05-06 01:48
  yeah I'm sorry if I come off as hard to read or something today, I'm feeling alittle sick, but I suppose this topic had set aside my sickness for alittle bit
  
  I also want to add that,
  
  

  Quote from Episkey;856740:

  
  To be fair, being a woman doesn't automatically give you full understanding on how all women behave. I could never make that claim about men ... could you?

  
  
  it gives them more of an understanding than it would men, we - are fundamentally different, mentally
  
  and also I mean, who has the vagina here?
  
  
  

  Quote from Bride;856748:

  me
  
  
  oh gosh I feel the same way
  I have no idea how I'd feel about a baby that's the result of rape, because really, it isn't the baby's fault and I don't think it's fair I'd end my child's existence because of horrible circumstances
  but I'd understand if someone else did it
  
  I just think it's cruel for a couple to be careless over contraception and then have an abortion to solve their problem. abortion isn't an option for me and I know my partner will take responsibility too :(

  
  my point exactly
  
  

  Quote from Episkey;856740:

  
  I don't see that. Do you see that? I don't >.<
  
  [S]Maybe he has a PhD in Psychology? [/S]
  

  
  
  

  Quote from Spartaaaaa;856653:

  All the woman has to do is not give consent and the problem would be solved (once again, rape is out of the question in this discussion). If the woman knows that she does not want a baby and/or cannot take care of it, then the solution is abstinence rather than to have sex anyway and get an abortion later.
  
  Logically, the majority of the responsibility is on the one who made the final decision (whether it was the man or woman). After all, assuming no force and little to no manipulation, the actions of the initiator ought to have no bearing on the actions of the person making the final decision.

  
  
  he makes it seem so easy/ cut-and dry (if that's a better word for it)
  
  when majority of women, are emotional creatures, moreso than men anyways
• Episkey wrote on 2012-05-06 01:54

  Quote from Seviraph;856750:

  
  it gives them more of an understanding than it would men, we - are fundamentally different, mentally
  
  and also I mean, who has the vagina here?

  
  
  Ah. Well, I understand that - but I really don't think this an issue about the division of the sexes :oops:
  
  I honestly don't see where everyone taking this stance of "women being blamed", that's why I'm confused. No one is blaming anyone.
  
  It's just a matter of who has the most responsibility.
  
  In an ideal world, both members would be equally responsible. However, that's not how it works in the real world. Again, who's the one making the ultimate decision of having an abortion (NOT SEX) - the male or the female?
• User495 wrote on 2012-05-06 01:57

  Quote from Episkey;856752:

  Ah. Well, I understand that - but I really don't think this an issue about the division of the sexes :oops:
  
  I honestly don't see where everyone taking this stance of "women being blamed", that's why I'm confused. No one is blaming anyone.
  
  It's just a matter of who has the most responsibility.
  
  In an ideal world, both members would be equally responsible. However, that's not how it works in the real world. Again, who's the one making the ultimate decision of having an [B]abortion (NOT SEX) - the male or the female?[/B]

  
  
  and thus the blame goes to women, and men are trying to dictate how they should make their choices
  
  [SIZE="1"][S]would you prefer castration? or what's the other word for it,(can't recall that sperm removal/killing thing you do if you don't want to get someone preggo) and if the choice was being made by a woman saying men are the source of their pregnancies?[/S][/SIZE]
  
  scratch that, my headache is getting the better of me right now, but the idea is very similiar, I know it doesn't apply well in this case
  
  
  
  edit: actually, I'll come back later, maybe a nap would help
• Episkey wrote on 2012-05-06 02:05

  Quote from Seviraph;856750:

  
  he makes it seem so easy/ cut-and dry (if that's a better word for it)
  
  when majority of women, are emotional creatures, moreso than men anyways

  
  
  Is it so hard to accept the fact that maybe ... just maybe that scenario would actually work?
  
  It's just simple abstinence, waiting until you are reading to have a child. I never got the whole "led by emotions" view.
  
  Seriously, have some self-restraint. Sex isn't something you do in a second - it's a process. One that can potentially impact the rest of your life - I would hope that more people would rationally think about the consequences for just a moment.
  
  Sorry if it feels like I'm being to rash, but I'm not in the current ... temperament of sugar coating everything.
  
  
  

  Quote from Seviraph;856755:

  and thus the blame goes to women, and men are trying to dictate how they should make their choices
  
  would you prefer castration? or what's the other word for it,(can't recall that sperm removal/killing thing you do if you don't want to get someone preggo) and if the choice was being made by a woman saying men are the source of their pregnancies?

  
  
  I'm not talking about sex.
  
  I'm not talking about sex. I'm talking about after the deal.
  
  The female is pregnant. Last time I checked, males couldn't normally be pregnant. The female has to come to terms with reality, sure the male is involved as well. Since they would be both parents - but how many times have you heard of the man just leaving her behind?
  
  It's a sad reality, but that situation should never have to occur to begin with!
  
  Castration would ... uh too many problems. That influences more than just producing sperm.
  
  Sterilization (which is what I think you are talking about) is a means to prevent the baby from happening. But rather resort to such drastic measures, just use birth control - if you can't be abstinent. As much as I dislike saying that, I realize that not everyone will be abstinent.
  
  My issue is that if you do engage in sexual activity and you do get pregnant, then you must take responsibility.
  
  
  EDIT:
  
  I saw your edit. That's fine, hope you feel better :)
• Bride wrote on 2012-05-06 02:08

  Quote from Episkey;856760:

  
  My issue is that if you do engage in sexual activity and you do get pregnant, then you must take responsibility.

  
  what annoys me is, some people who are careless with contraception and who do get pregnant, actually see abortion as a way of taking responsibility
  I don't agree with that at all
• Episkey wrote on 2012-05-06 02:11

  Quote from Bride;856761:

  what annoys me is, some people who are careless with contraception and who do get pregnant, actually see abortion as a way of taking responsibility
  I don't agree with that at all

  
  
  Ah, I agree. Yeah, reading that again - you are right.
  
  I meant as in taking responsibility for your sexual activity, and having your child. Since, I mean that's what sex does ...
• Ithiliel wrote on 2012-05-06 02:16

  Quote from Episkey;856752:

  
  
  I honestly don't see where everyone taking this stance of "women being blamed", that's why I'm confused. No one is blaming anyone.
  
  

  
  
  You didn't see Spartaaaaa's first post clearly then, did you?
  
  

  Quote from Spartaaaaa:

  Does the woman have a right to complain about being pregnant when it was her fault that she got pregnant in the first place?

• Episkey wrote on 2012-05-06 02:30

  Quote from Ithiliel;856768:

  You didn't see Spartaaaaa's first post clearly then, did you?

  
  
  I'm not Spartaaaaa, so I can't really speak for him.
  
  Admittedly, that sentence does sound bad if you were to just read it by itself. But, he explained himself further in the following posts.
  His explanations seemed fair to me; I can assure you that I'm not a misogynistic pig :XD:
  
  ...
  
  But before I say something incorrect or incriminating - I think I'll just take a neutral stance on this.
• User495 wrote on 2012-05-06 14:00
  ahhh, holy crap, that was like the worst day of my life, last time I got sick was when I got strep throat and that was like years ago @_@
  
  anywho, to simplify/wrap things up, I'll just have to say
  
  who are we, to decide for them?
  they're not harming us by aborting something that isn't a human yet (whole different story if it was like a fully developed baby, but who's going to abort that late anyways?)
  
  and think of the consequences of having a child being raised by someone that didn't want him/her / resents him/her, would that really be saving them? so that isn't the way to "take responsibility" at all
  
  I still feel alittle sickly, so I won't come back to this thread anymore @_@