End Game Ego

• Justified wrote on 2010-07-18 12:49

  Quote from Phanterz;96777:

  Blaze without ice spear is the only practical way to get MULTIPLE knockdown hits. You can do that on one monster, but all the other monsters receive ~450 damage but with the 4 second cooldown, it'll probably take awhile to kill everything just by using 2+Blaze.

  
  
  In comparison to melee/range, however, that's still pretty strong. Just about on par with Windmill damage, except it has an additional bang on your primary target. Compared to Smash/Magnum it shares the 20% splash damage, but with a much wider radius as well as ignoring protection for Crit.
  
  My question was whether Magnum/Range spamming, with or without Frozen Blast and Barriers, would be able to match up with Windmill or Blaze. Just the fact that Blaze is nerfed by disallowing Ice Spear doesn't say anything about range being able to compete, only that Blaze is less awesome.
  
  Even without criticals, it's questionable if range would be able to compete. We're also ruling out party/pet assistance (an allied Windmill can easily maximize Blaze) for the sake of Ranged.
• Phanterz wrote on 2010-07-18 13:34

  Quote from Justified;96789:

  In comparison to melee/range, however, that's still pretty strong. Just about on par with Windmill damage, except it has an additional bang on your primary target. Compared to Smash/Magnum it shares the 20% splash damage, but with a much wider radius as well as ignoring protection for Crit.
  
  My question was whether Magnum/Range spamming, with or without Frozen Blast and Barriers, would be able to match up with Windmill or Blaze. Just the fact that Blaze is nerfed by disallowing Ice Spear doesn't say anything about range being able to compete, only that Blaze is less awesome.
  
  Even without criticals, it's questionable if range would be able to compete. We're also ruling out party/pet assistance (an allied Windmill can easily maximize Blaze) for the sake of Ranged.

  
  
  Blaze is still worse than windmill, because you can use it more frequently and you don't get mobbed by everything in the room afterwards
  
  Right now I'm pretty sure that ranged is significantly slower at killing, although it's safer. I'm also pretty sure that crash shot might change that.
• Zatrox wrote on 2010-07-18 17:04

  Quote from Justified;96789:

  My question was whether Magnum/Range spamming, with or without Frozen Blast and Barriers, would be able to match up with Windmill or Blaze. Just the fact that Blaze is nerfed by disallowing Ice Spear doesn't say anything about range being able to compete, only that Blaze is less awesome.

  
  
  From the vids of KR elves i've seen on youtube:
  Mobs: Spark + Elf Range
  Boss: Frozen Blast + Final Shot-Magnum (or, Spark instead of FB)
• Zid wrote on 2010-07-18 20:07

  Quote from Zatrox;96878:

  From the vids of KR elves i've seen on youtube:
  Mobs: Spark + Elf Range
  Boss: Frozen Blast + Final Shot-Magnum (or, Spark instead of FB)

  
  
  What if you replaced those Ranged skills with Melee/Magic skills?
• Kyouriharu wrote on 2010-07-18 20:39

  Quote from CableCrook;96421:

  I still think LLB is the best bow, it has more Max damage, and you wont be relying on that critical to save your ass. Its also better because of the availability of repairs, all in all, i wouldnt change my LLB for anything :P

  
  
  Believe me, once you hit enemies at the 35% protection range, you need critical. I only have 75% critical and I know some elves who play with 115% critical normally. They hit less than me, but they finish quicker because their criticals come more frequently than mine.
  
  Not to mention the Wing Bow has 200 units of range over the LLB. I don't mind repairs, I barely use my ego at all. The problem is getting the damned bow. Last auction, it hit 17mil, and now knowing the ego potential, it's for good reason.
• EndlessDreams wrote on 2010-07-18 21:18

  Quote from Zid;97019:

  What if you replaced those Ranged skills with Melee/Magic skills?

  
  
  Not a lot of melee/magic skills fire at a 0.3/0.5 second rate (or faster with Final Shot?), assuming you are an elf with no elf lag, and zero shotting. Range needs critical over damage at higher level dungeons. Range without critical is very weak. Human Range can't do the same stuff as Elf Range. However, Elf Range cannot do the same stuff as Human/Giant melee.
  
  Also, don't forget that Ring/Wing Bow is 2 shot knockback compared to LLB's 3 shot knockback.
  
  Yea, getting the Wing Bow is the hardest part.
• Zid wrote on 2010-07-18 21:34

  Quote from EndlessDreams;97069:

  Not a lot of melee/magic skills fire at a 0.3/0.5 second rate (or faster with Final Shot?), assuming you are an elf with no elf lag, and zero shotting. Range needs critical over damage at higher level dungeons. Range without critical is very weak. Human Range can't do the same stuff as Elf Range. However, Elf Range cannot do the same stuff as Human/Giant melee.

  
  
  Well, I'm wondering how Spark+Elf Ranged can do better against multiple enemies, compared to just Spark+Windmill.
  
  Frozen Blast + Final Shot + Magnum Shot against a single target (such as boss), I have no argument against. Since Ranged does extremely well in DPS vs. single target.
• Zatrox wrote on 2010-07-18 21:44

  Quote from Zid;97083:

  Well, I'm wondering how Spark+Elf Ranged can do better against multiple enemies, compared to just Spark+Windmill.
  
  Frozen Blast + Final Shot + Magnum Shot against a single target (such as boss), I have no argument against. Since Ranged does extremely well in DPS vs. single target.

  
  
  Windmill would likely knock your enemies out of spark range :/ Elf range has a tendency to keep enemies still (given no Wing/Ring bow).
• Justified wrote on 2010-07-18 21:50

  Quote from Phanterz;96800:

  Blaze is still worse than windmill, because you can use it more frequently and you don't get mobbed by everything in the room afterwards
  
  Right now I'm pretty sure that ranged is significantly slower at killing, although it's safer. I'm also pretty sure that crash shot might change that.

  
  
  Blaze doesn't cause aggro though...
  Right now N+Blaze is much faster than Windmill for me with 450 Int vs 290 Max, but I guess once your stats get way up there Windmill does get a leg up.
• Chihaya wrote on 2010-07-19 02:15

  Quote from Justified;95497:

  I don't think Range is endgame, melee and magic are much more efficient. And since wand egos aren't that good, it'd probably be a Dustin Sword or a Bastard Sword.

  
  
  I agree with Justified here.
  Well, for a smasher like yourself, I'd probably go with the Dustin Sword, but it's rather hard to repair without a constant supply of NX, so a claymore or a two-handed sword ego is a fine substitution as well: Preferrably the two handed sword since it has a higher max damage of 212.
  At the moment, a 1hand ego is NOT a good idea, since it's very incompatible with smash OR windmill (remember that two handers have a slower weapon speed, and thus, more stun in windmill or smash) and 1h egos are used most by people who like to PvP with a shield. Contrary to what many people think, a maxed out gladius and another weapon like an upgraded, enchanted broadsword will NOT be as efficient as a maxed out two-handed ego
  
  Conclusion
  End game will be more melee and magic
  1h-ego should only be considered by players who use a shield very often
  two hand egos are generally better than 1-hand egos
  Dustin Sword is the ideal Ego, but rather hard to repair, and in this situation, A Two-handed Sword Ego will work as well
• abc33kr wrote on 2010-07-19 03:57

  Quote from Joyjason;97429:

  I agree with Justified here.
  Well, for a smasher like yourself, I'd probably go with the Dustin Sword, but it's rather hard to repair without a constant supply of NX, so a claymore or a two-handed sword ego is a fine substitution as well: Preferrably the two handed sword since it has a higher max damage of 212.
  At the moment, a 1hand ego is NOT a good idea, since it's very incompatible with smash OR windmill (remember that two handers have a slower weapon speed, and thus, more stun in windmill or smash) and 1h egos are used most by people who like to PvP with a shield. Contrary to what many people think, a maxed out gladius and another weapon like an upgraded, enchanted broadsword will NOT be as efficient as a maxed out two-handed ego
  
  Conclusion
  End game will be more melee and magic
  1h-ego should only be considered by players who use a shield very often
  two hand egos are generally better than 1-hand egos
  Dustin Sword is the ideal Ego, but rather hard to repair, and in this situation, A Two-handed Sword Ego will work as well

  
  
  ah this is what my initial thought agree upon